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American Pioneer Powder
Odawgp
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anyone useing this stuff?
they claim to have 10,043 shots threw an encore 50cal without cleaning
and a few other stories on there site.
http://www.americanpioneerpowder.com/index.html
they claim to have 10,043 shots threw an encore 50cal without cleaning
and a few other stories on there site.
http://www.americanpioneerpowder.com/index.html
Comments
I, too, am interested in hearing what others say about this new stuff.
I have a can of the Jim Shockeys Gold which is American Pioneer Powders premium grade powder. If all you want to do is be able to shoot a lot of times without cleaning your gun, I guess it is good for that. I tried it and it blowed my group at the range on a rest at 55 yds. out to 6+ inches in my remington 700. I went back to pyrodex without changing anything and after the first shot which was about 2-1/2 in. high, the next four shots were inside a 2" group with no cleaning between shots.
I called Pioneer powder directly about the problem and they told me I had to clean the barrel with alcahol to make sure all the oil was out of the barrel because cleaners,oil products ect will cause this problem. I cleaned the barrel to their recommendations and went back out the next day. The results were the same, over a 6" group and again switched back to the pyrodex without cleaning or anything and had the same results as thew first day. I tried it in two diffferent 50 calibers and neither one liked it
thanks for the reply, I assumed that their statments where a bit misleading. how many times could you shoot before the groups got out to 6".
how many shots with pyrodex are you getting before the groups start to creep if at all.
while using 777 i typically spit patch between shots at the range. but have experimented with not patching and can generally count on 5-7 shots landing where i want before the groups start creeping out. I blame this on the crud ring. making it hard to get the bullet down on the powder all the way. causing varying prssures
After my first shot, I can shoot up to 10 or 15 shots without cleaning
and my group stays in the 2 to 2-1/2" group. But recently I noticed that after 4 or 5 shots that the bullet dosen't seat down as normal, but I try to set it tighter before I shot. When the bullet starts not seating normal,say a 1/2" I normally think it is time to clean it out. I only use 100 grains of loose powder and I personally think that hotter loads tend to leave more residue, and causes more pressure if the bullet is not seated down tight. Keep in mind that 2" groups is not driving tacks or anything, but that is better than I can hold under field conditions, so that is what I live with. If you want to shoot competive, then my shooting practices are not for you.
thanks again
10,000 shots without cleaning BULL****
its almost as bad as pyrodex for being dirty
I shot 6 rounds with each powder flask not cleaning between shots, I cleaned only when I changed powder. Here is what I found:
Powder 1; 6 shot group of 2 1/2 inch, slight to no change in loading difficulty from first to last. 2 lubed patch and 6 dry to clean.
powder 2; 6 shot group at 1 3/4 inch, very slight change in loading difficulty, but only in the first 10 inches of barrel, seated easily after that. 1 lubed patch and 5 dry to clean.
Powder 3; 6 shot group at 1 7/8 inch, progressively harder to load, the 6th was very tight. 3 lubed patches and 8 dry to clean.
So can you guess ?
Powder 1 = Shockeys Gold
powder 2 = Goex Pinnacle
Powder 3 = Pyrodex (loose, not pellets)
I don't buy the 5000 round between cleaning, but For my money the Goex is what I would use, gave the best feel and was easy to clean. and held the best group. I will still stick to good old Black Powder for the matches,( shot a 1 1/4 4 shot group today with the same gun and load) But for throwing lead at the range the Goex is great.
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Seen the least, feared the most!!!!!!!
From the get go, black Canyon, Clean Shot, and the American pioneer has had consistancy problems, and problems with attracting moisture.
my advice is go with 777 and be happy.