Smoothbore rifles?

minitruck83

Been browsing around on the auction side looking for a deep roman nosed fullstock rifle. See several guns listed as 'smoothbore rifle'
WTH is a smoothbore rifle?

allus thought the definition for rifle required a rifled barrel.
and smoothbore would define a Shotgun or Musket?


Sorry for the dumb question, but I'm a tad confused.

Is this question like the magazine/clip 'thing',and something everybody but me understands?

(don't want to go there) [V]



Thanks, I was wondering if I didn't know from shinola.

What would you call a 60 caliber smoothbore? musket? 12 gauge?




You're right, they looked like a short halfstock caplock rifle, They weren't the longer ones rifled to shoot the Mini ball.
( hadda google that) [V]



Allen

allen griggs

allus thought the definition for rifle required a rifled barrel.
and smoothbore would define a Shotgun or Musket

You are right, pretty much.
Although, there is such a thing as a rifled musket.
These guys are not labeling their guns correctly, it is a smoothbore, not a rifle. It probably looks like a rifle.

JohnnyBGood

I can't speak for sellers terminology, but during their period of use smoothbore rifle referred to rifle sights on a smooth bore longarm.

John

Hawk Carse

Agree with John, this is a known category of period weapon; styled and sighted like a rifle, but smoothbore. Cheaper than a rifle, with some capability to use birdshot but not as large caliber as a fowling piece.

At one time Thompson Center made a gun of the type, a .56 smoothbore Renegade with good sights for use in one state where "primitive weapon season" required a smoothbore muzzleloader.

(12 gauge is .729" or a bit more in those days to allow for wadding.)

allen griggs

Sorry minitruck, looks like I was wrong.
You learn something every day.

slumlord44

My .22 smoothbore's do not have rifle sights. They have a shotgun bead on the front and my Stevens Crackshot 26 has a v notch in the back. My Remington 510 bolt action single shot is similar. The Remington has a Routledge bore. The front end of the barrel is counter bored ( about .30 Caliber) and has a choke in it. The Stevens was made for shooting bird shot for birds, mice, rats etc. Stevens advised against shooting birdshot in a rifled barrel because it would lead the barrel. The later Remington guns (other manufactrers also had smooth bores)were made for pests and aso for shooting a minature skeet game with small clay birds. I think Mossberg came out with a smoothbore garden gun a while back for small varmints also.

minitruck83

quote:Originally posted by allen griggs
Sorry minitruck, looks like I was wrong.
You learn something every day.



Me too!



Thanks everybody. Sometimes I need assistance to keep the ignorance at bay.

This was what I came up with on the net, and what was listed didn't match them.

http://tinyurl.com/noe97d

Hawk. Dunno what I was thinking when I wrote 60 caliber... I knew better. [:I]

Here's my attempt to post a chart I've got.

Gauge
(Bore) Caliber Weight of unalloyed (pure) lead ball
(mm) (in) (g) (oz) (gr)
A* 50.8 2.000 778.19 27.45 12010
1?* 37.05 1.459 302.39 10.667 4667
2* 33.67 1.325 226.80 8.000 3500
3* 29.41 1.158 151.20 5.333 2333
4 26.72 1.052 113.40 4.000 1750
23.75 to 24.25 (Euro) .935 to .955 (Euro)
8 21.21 .835 56.70 2.000 875
10 19.69 .775 45.36 1.600 700
12 18.53 .729 37.80 1.333 583
13 18.04 .710 34.89 1.231 538
14 17.60 .693 32.40 1.143 500
16 16.83 .663 28.35 1.000 438
20 15.63 .615 22.68 0.800 350
24 14.70 .579 18.90 0.667 292
28 13.97 .550 16.20 0.571 250
32 13.36 .526 14.17 0.500 219
67? 10.41 .410 6.71 0.237 1

Didn't line up right. [:(]

Oh well.


Again Thanks.



Allen

Hawk Carse

Well, by your own chart, a .60 cal is about a 24 bore - with allowance for wad or patch - which would be just about right.

I have seen original and reproduction light fowlers and had I lived in Colonial days, that is what I would have wanted. Not as heavy as a rifle or as bulky as a musket, and with all the range I could use without glasses better than Mr Franklin's.