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Make Your Own Black Powder?

HandLoadHandLoad Member Posts: 15,998
I did when I wasa kid...Parents made me stop when a buddy blew up a too large batch while making it. Singed his eyebrows, blew out his eardrums, and started a fire.

I am wanting to try this again as an adult.

Anybody making their own Black Powder?

[EDIT}: Reason I am contemplating such a thing is that I want to see if I can sustain Gun Ownership for my Heirs in the face of a Lead Ban (I can make my own), a Primer/Cap Shortage or regulation (My CVA Electra doesn't use any), and a Powder Shortage. All I need to do is to make my own.
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  • mbsamsmbsams Member Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A really, really, really dumb idea! You're a shoe-in for a Darwin!
  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I made some when I was 11 years old.
    You could buy sulfur and saltpeter at the drug store back then.
    That pharmacist was giving me funny looks, he knew I was up to no good!
    I didn't have a muzzleloader so I never really tried it out.


    Here is a lengthy discussion of the subject:

    http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=395424
  • anderskandersk Member Posts: 3,627 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yup, I did as a kid. Sulfur, Saltpeter and crushed down to dust charcoal. It worked great except some of our bombs became rockets ... and our rockets became bombs. I'm glad we had nice long fuses. I do need to find some fuses again for my CVA .45 cal canon! I think I'm going to stick with Hodgdon 777 for powder.
  • HandLoadHandLoad Member Posts: 15,998
    edited November -1
    mbsams - I did it a bit when I was in my early teens, and didn't have an event....I am now past my reproductive years, so even if I have an Exciting Event, I would not qualify for a Darwin!!!

    allen - You're one good egg! I can always count on your replies being cogent, and on point, with something to add. Looks like you too, were blessed with an exciting life! Would be good to meet ya - we could swap stories forever. Thanks for the pointer.
  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    As far as keeping powder in the shtf scenario:

    Black powder will keep indefinitely.
    So will caps. I have fired 31 year old cci caps and they fired without problem

    You could buy 10 pounds of black powder, and a supply of caps, and store them [buried] and you heirs would have a good stash.
  • mbsamsmbsams Member Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You can lead a horse to water, but ...
  • wpagewpage Member Posts: 10,201 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Some DIY projects should be left to Dupont.
  • ofitgofitg Member Posts: 359 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If your heirs want to shoot something besides the CVA Electra, it is possible to make your own percussion caps with a tool called the Tap-O-Cap. Dixie Gun Works used to sell it.
    Midway still advertises the Tap-O-Cap, but it's currently out of stock.
  • HandLoadHandLoad Member Posts: 15,998
    edited November -1
    Thanks for that ofitg!!
  • ofitgofitg Member Posts: 359 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You're welcome - I hope my 2 cents' worth helps.

    The Tap-O-Cap instructions say to use the thin aluminum from beer cans. When I was using the Tap-O-Cap about 20 years ago, it seemed to me that the beer can metal was still too stiff. I got better results using the flimsy disposable aluminum pans that come with frozen pies.

    Also, instead of children's toy caps, I used the igniter tips from "strike anywhere" kitchen matches. I glued them into the aluminum shells with a dab of my wife's nail polish.
  • v35v35 Member Posts: 12,710 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I made some as a kid but wouldn't think of doing it now since Dupont
    blew up a plant in New Jersey a while back and they really knew what they were doing. They went out of the business after that.
    The components are ground wet, dried then granulated.
    I had a mix detonate in my hands while carefully grinding it in a porcelain mortar and pestle below my face.
    It singed my eyebrows and drove hot stonelike ash into the bottom of my right hand.
    The mix was KCL and S.
    Give up the idea.
  • ORTEGAKIDORTEGAKID Member Posts: 3 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I will second the "do not try this at home" sentiment. Have been a pyrotechnition for years, now that live in the great state of Texas, can do it legally, and will tell y'all, it is a major project to make any bp that will work, much less be usable as gunpowder. Look at Skylighters site if you are really serious, but would advise against, and can tell MANY stories of things going wrong, still have no eyebrows from years ago from some of the experiments!
  • jonlowerjonlower Member Posts: 41 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    {potassium chlorate and sulfer will ALWAYS explode under pressure or percussion/grinding. KCL is NOT a gunpowder component. To get green powder made with the correct formula of 75% KNo3, 15% charcoal and 10% Sulfer, they must be weighed, mixed dry by tumbling in a static free container with no more than an ounce or two of powder, and then wet and packed into paper cylinders a left to dry in the sun. A fuse will set it off like cherry bombs. At least that's what my step brother told me before he died after the blast. quote:Originally posted by v35
    I made some as a kid but wouldn't think of doing it now since Dupont
    blew up a plant in New Jersey a while back and they really knew what they were doing. They went out of the business after that.
    The components are ground wet, dried then granulated.
    I had a mix detonate in my hands while carefully grinding it in a porcelain mortar and pestle below my face.
    It singed my eyebrows and drove hot stonelike ash into the bottom of my right hand.
    The mix was KCL and S.
    Give up the idea.
  • StradivariusStradivarius Member Posts: 51 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    My homepage explains this in very good detail, with photos. It is in Swedish, but that is not a problem nowadays [:)].

    http://www.svartkrutsvapen.se/page1005.html -


    Use this ( under ) to translate = copy & paste [:D]


    http://translate.google.se/?js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&text=&file=&sl=en&tl=fr#sv|en|

    Stradivarius.
  • melkormelkor Member Posts: 191 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I only know the Method CAPT KIRK used to kill the green lizard man on the planet.[^]
  • Wolf.Wolf. Member Posts: 2,223 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Pooh! to the naysayers, I say!! Cobble up your own black stuff and fire away!

    Get on the web (no, I won't do it for you this time) and look for papers written on the subject. That's how I found my information. You can get sulfur, saltpeter (look for the technical name, please) and bone charcoal (sometimes called "activated" charcoal) off the internet. Try ebay for your chemicals; there are a number of chemical suppliers on there. Purchase "technical grade" chemicals. They cost more, but are more pure, more consisent or standardized (batch-to-batch) in their makeup and are designed for lab and manufacturing use.

    Be sure to follow all the common-sense safety rules.
  • rhmc24rhmc24 Member Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    In highschool - 1930s - we made powder using potassium chlorate. Loaded a friends 1860 Colt and it chain-fired 5 chambers, blew out the rammer and the cylinder chamber aligned with the barrel. Destroyed a beautiful heirloom from the Civil War.

    They say "learn by doing" ?? At least I learned to never make powder that way.
  • seattleseattle Member Posts: 3 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    See if your library carries the 'Foxfire' series of books...specifically #5. The books all capture the early memories of rural America and in the fifth book they interview folks on BP making and bear hunts.

    Great reading.
  • glynglyn Member Posts: 5,698 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Got a mate back in the UK reloads rimfire black powder brass.He scrapes off the heads of strike anywhere matches,he crushes them then mixes with a little water,drops it into the brass lets it dry out and it seems to work OK.
  • Hawk CarseHawk Carse Member Posts: 4,381 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:KCL is NOT a gunpowder component.

    KCl is not potassium chlorate, either. It is potassium chloride, energetically inert, but a corrosive salt.

    Potassium chlorate is KClO3. Too sensitive for propellant powder, it was common in the old "corrosive" priming compounds.
  • tomahawktomahawk Member Posts: 11,826
    edited November -1
    gramps used to make it all the time...75 ..15 and 10 are the correct measures....but you need a wooden round tubewith end caps and glass marbles turning for a day or two to mix and pulverize it good...then sift it out[;)][;)]
  • ofitgofitg Member Posts: 359 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by glyn
    Got a mate back in the UK reloads rimfire black powder brass.He scrapes off the heads of strike anywhere matches,he crushes them then mixes with a little water,drops it into the brass lets it dry out and it seems to work OK.


    I believe those match heads are potassium chlorate mixtures.

    Caution is advised....
  • Little-AcornLittle-Acorn Member Posts: 103 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    You can get saltpeter (potassium nitrate) from (would you believe it?) Amazon.com .

    They even have cannon fuse too.

    And lots of interesting stuff from pyrocreations.com . Including ball mills for rolling/grinding, many sizes and shapes of cardboard tubes and shells for fireworks, good inexpensive fuse, and even electric igniters.

    BTW, I found that plastic PVC sprinkler pipes from Home Depot, especially the short plastic pipe nipples with threaded ends and their screw-on plastic caps, make a very nice BANG with either black powder or smokeless. Watch out for the fragments, though. I will try the paper/cardboard tubes next, fragments don't travel as fast or far.
  • Little-AcornLittle-Acorn Member Posts: 103 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Oops, double post, sorry!
  • torosapotorosapo Member Posts: 4,946
    edited November -1
    I have thought about making my own BP, I figure if you are careful it can be done safely.
  • mbsamsmbsams Member Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I thought this thread would have died out by now - along with all those trying to make black powder.
  • ofitgofitg Member Posts: 359 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mbsams
    I thought this thread would have died out by now - along with all those trying to make black powder.


    Sorry, this thread actually inspired me to try it a few weeks ago. I'm still alive, and my homebrew powder has great performance.
  • Little-AcornLittle-Acorn Member Posts: 103 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Cardboard tubes from pyrocreations.com make a nice BANG with BP (Goex 3FG), but not with smokeless, which just fizzles.
  • Little-AcornLittle-Acorn Member Posts: 103 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by ofitg
    quote:Originally posted by mbsams
    I thought this thread would have died out by now - along with all those trying to make black powder.


    Sorry, this thread actually inspired me to try it a few weeks ago. I'm still alive, and my homebrew powder has great performance.
    ofitg, got a recipe? Please share! [:)]
  • ofitgofitg Member Posts: 359 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Little-Acorn
    quote:Originally posted by ofitg
    quote:Originally posted by mbsams
    I thought this thread would have died out by now - along with all those trying to make black powder.


    Sorry, this thread actually inspired me to try it a few weeks ago. I'm still alive, and my homebrew powder has great performance.
    ofitg, got a recipe? Please share! [:)]


    I think most of the relevant info is available here -

    http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=427948
  • CookECookE Member Posts: 47 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't know you, but I would like to take out a "LIFE INSURANCE POLICY" on you, if you don't mind. JUST KIDDING..... THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE SUICIDE IDEA.
    PLEASE DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME, AS THE OLD MOTTO GOES.............
    CookE
  • mbsamsmbsams Member Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It never fails to amaze me how, in the face of overwhelming evidence, a suposed intelligent human being will ignore all the facts and do really stupid things that end his life and the life of innocent others. Let's be clear about this once and for all - If you're making your own black powder you are an IDIOT!
  • ofitgofitg Member Posts: 359 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If a person is not capable of following simple safety procedures, he should definitely not manufacture his own blackpowder....

    Or reload.... or handle loaded firearms.... or drive an automobile... or cook... or operate power tools.... or work in manufacturing.
  • Riomouse911Riomouse911 Member Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    To each his own... just please make sure you'll only hurt yourself when you're doing it and sumptin' goes wrong.
  • ofitgofitg Member Posts: 359 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Riomouse911
    To each his own... just please make sure you'll only hurt yourself when you're doing it and sumptin' goes wrong.


    That sounds rational... "to each his own".

    People who have no interest in making blackpowder can buy the commercial product.

    People who are interested can learn to make effective BP, and do it safely. The info is readily available. It requires some basic abilities to read & follow instructions.

    People who are too stupid/lazy to learn the procedure and observe basic precautions should steer clear of this activity.
  • Wolf.Wolf. Member Posts: 2,223 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mbsams
    It never fails to amaze me how, in the face of overwhelming evidence, a suposed intelligent human being will ignore all the facts and do really stupid things that end his life and the life of innocent others. Let's be clear about this once and for all - If you're making your own black powder you are an IDIOT!

    I doubt very much that any of the GB members hereon are idiots, or even mildly mentally deficient.

    People actually do know the risks they take when they embark on potentially dangerous tasks and pretty much do not need your derogatory comments to guide them along the way. To help, if the member decides to go ahead with their project, other members have provided information and pointed them to various helpful Internet sites to get information and safety warnings.

    I find your comments to be offensive and if that is all you have to offer or say in this discussion, then I suggest you stick to topic threads where you can at least be more polite than you have been here.
  • SXSMANSXSMAN Member Posts: 2,616 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Guess I made it wrong when I was a kid.
    2 to 1 to 1 , think that's what it said in "Steal this book".
    We mixed it dry,charcoal ground down on a belt sander.

    Could I still make it today?

    Sure

    But with modern powders that are available today I won't.
  • andrewsw16andrewsw16 Member Posts: 10,728 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Wolf.
    quote:Originally posted by mbsams
    It never fails to amaze me how, in the face of overwhelming evidence, a suposed intelligent human being will ignore all the facts and do really stupid things that end his life and the life of innocent others. Let's be clear about this once and for all - If you're making your own black powder you are an IDIOT!

    I doubt very much that any of the GB members hereon are idiots, or even mildly mentally deficient.

    People actually do know the risks they take when they embark on potentially dangerous tasks and pretty much do not need your derogatory comments to guide them along the way. To help, if the member decides to go ahead with their project, other members have provided information and pointed them to various helpful Internet sites to get information and safety warnings.

    I find your comments to be offensive and if that is all you have to offer or say in this discussion, then I suggest you stick to topic threads where you can at least be more polite than you have been here.

    AMEN and +1
  • cmac231cmac231 Member Posts: 16 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Until this article I thought I was worlds craziest do it your selfer. I have a formula for c-4 that I got thru paladine press pre 9-11. Still haven't had the balls(most will say mine are huge in this meaning anyways) to try it out. maybe if there is ever a invasion of the US. heck maybe brotherlaw can just get me some of the real stuff and I think Ill stick to real stuff black powder wise also. Hey maybe Im just getting older and wiser nope doubt that one.
  • airmungairmung Member Posts: 579 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    In spite of all precautions, black powder mills used to blow up with frightening regularity. But if you insist on playing with fire....
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