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Thermodynamics question...

bigoutsidebigoutside Member Posts: 19,443
edited December 2012 in General Discussion
I have a case of room temp beers in cans.

It's 25 degrees outside.

My guests will be over in a short while.

Which will result in frosty goodness quicker?

Bury a beer in the 8" of snow on the picnic table?
Or-
Put them on the brick pavers?

Comments

  • calrugerfancalrugerfan Member Posts: 18,209
    edited November -1
    I'm going to have to say burying them in the snow will work better but I'm no expert.
  • bigoutsidebigoutside Member Posts: 19,443
    edited November -1
    Update.

    I'm actually 'placing' them in the snow. Some vertical. Some horizontal.
  • evileye fleagalevileye fleagal Member Posts: 4,238 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    sounds like brandy weather to me.
  • MudderChuckMudderChuck Member Posts: 4,105
    edited November -1
    You'll get quicker results with air *circulation* or water circulation. Snow traps the air, dead air is an insulator.
  • bigoutsidebigoutside Member Posts: 19,443
    edited November -1
    I pulled the first one and drank it.
    It was a vertical one.

    I'd have to rate it as 'warmish'.
  • TooBigTooBig Member Posts: 28,559 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Do like the Germans do drink it room tempt[:D][:p][^]
  • RUGERGUNZRUGERGUNZ Member Posts: 5,638 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I remember reading somewhere to wet a paper-towel and wrap each can. Then place in the freezer or outside. Something to do with the wet paper-towel accelerating the cooling.



    Another way is make an ice-bath in the kitchen sink and add salt. Makes it colder.
  • crash2usafcrash2usaf Member Posts: 4,094
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by MudderChuck
    You'll get quicker results with air *circulation* or water circulation. Snow traps the air, dead air is an insulator.




    The air circulation will not be as fast, you need to do it through conduction and the more surface area covered the better.. Snow will cover the all of it so thats your best bet, it does insulate but only to a point... It will only cool the barley pop down to 32 or whatever the temp of the snow is, if your outside temp is 25, then the snow will insulate it from those temperatures... Aluminum is a great heat/cold conductor,
  • SwanKongSwanKong Member Posts: 989 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Snow and some salt will work good for quick cooling...
  • CoolhandLukeCoolhandLuke Member Posts: 7,826 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I couldn't do that my dog is an alcoholic.
    We have to fight so we can run away.
    Capt. Jack Sparrow.
  • cbxjeffcbxjeff Member Posts: 17,558 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Steal one of your wife's big plastic storage tubs. Toss in the beer, couple of gallons of water, and fill with snow. If your wife complains about stealing the tub, give her a cold beer!
    It's too late for me, save yourself.
  • woodhogwoodhog Member Posts: 13,115 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    water /snow mix will work much better-too much airspace in just snow
  • bigoutsidebigoutside Member Posts: 19,443
    edited November -1
    Went out to check on the progress.

    They are all vertical in the snow.

    Evidently this is the best way.

    Thanks for your input. The wife says this is the way to do it.
  • jimdeerejimdeere Member, Moderator Posts: 25,996 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by cbxjeff
    Steal one of your wife's big plastic storage tubs. Toss in the beer, couple of gallons of water, and fill with snow. If your wife complains about stealing the tub, give her a cold beer!

    OR....you could use a chest cooler.[:D]
    Haven't you guys ever "spun" a beer?
    Put the beer in ice (or snow) and slowly spin it. It'll chill down twice as fast.[:)]
  • grumpygygrumpygy Member Posts: 48,464 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    This was proven in Cold weather training in the Marines. It gets colder on top of the snow.
  • haroldchrismeyerharoldchrismeyer Member Posts: 2,213
    edited November -1
    Placing them spaced apart on the table is best. As said, the snow is an insulator, and the paver is connected to the ground which may be warmer than the air.

    Really, in the old days, the fastest way was to put a side tap on a can of R12, then take the side tap off and spray the can directly with R12. About 30 seconds and it was cold.
  • reloader44magreloader44mag Member Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If the air temp is above 32 put in snow....below 32 just let the air take care of it...my guess is either way they will be cold enuf to drink in about 30 minutes.[:D]
  • perry shooterperry shooter Member Posts: 17,105 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You got us KRAUTS mixed up with the BRITS they are the ones that like warm beer because they have LUCAS refrigerators [:o)][:I][}:)][;)][:p]
  • machine gun moranmachine gun moran Member Posts: 5,198
    edited November -1
    During WW2 in the tropics, pilots would load the beer into the ammo bay of a P-38, climb to about 30,000 feet, and loiter for a while. Then they would dive back down, land, and unload really cold beer. But you have to have a P-38 [:D].
  • iceracerxiceracerx Member Posts: 8,860 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bucket + ICE (Cover) + Water + Salt (about 2 cups table salt)

    Salt will let the water temp go below 32 degrees w/o freezing (super cooling)

    Add the beers and they will chill in minutes!
  • gruntledgruntled Member Posts: 8,218 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by perry shooter
    You got us KRAUTS mixed up with the BRITS they are the ones that like warm beer because they have LUCAS refrigerators [:o)][:I][}:)][;)][:p]


    I have seen the Germans put both beer & Coke bottles in a tub of water on a fire to warm them up. I never saw them put beer in anything to cool it. Of course that was fifty years ago.
  • iceracerxiceracerx Member Posts: 8,860 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by perry shooter
    You got us KRAUTS mixed up with the BRITS they are the ones that like warm beer because they have LUCAS refrigerators [:o)][:I][}:)][;)][:p]


    hahahahahaha

    I have a LUCAS pacemaker and it works perf
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