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H.R.5717 - Gun Violence Prevention and Community Safety Act of 2020

serfserf Member Posts: 7,431 ✭✭✭
What are the chances of this passing after the elections in November 2020? Looks like we are in trouble.Just another mass murder before the elections and maybe even civil unrest, could do it.
                                              serf
 ) (1) It shall be unlawful for a person to import, sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, a semiautomatic assault weapon.

“(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the possession, sale, or transfer of any semiautomatic assault weapon otherwise lawfully possessed under Federal law on the date of enactment of the Gun Violence Prevention and Community Safety Act of 2020.



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  • mac10mac10 Member Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭
    dead issue to many new liberal gun owners that all of a sudden saw the light
  • mark christianmark christian Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 22,877 ******
    edited April 3
    mac10 said:
    dead issue to many new liberal gun owners that all of a sudden saw the light
    I agree. First time gun buyers have been shocked/upset when they discovered that purchasing a gun is nowhere near as easy as the media portrays; particularly in states which have "safety certifications" and waiting periods. The safety certificate is especially contentious since the written test is given at a guns shop (which may be closed) or a shooting range, almost all of which are closed due to bans on more than ten people gathering together and social distancing. Buyers who are aware of these requirements are fuming mad in states and localities where gun shops have been forced to close by decree- either by the governor, or someone further down the food chain like a mayor or a local sheriff.

    Because of the pandemic (real or imagined) people are afraid that the police officers and members of the National Guard will become sick with the virus, leaving no one healthy enough to enforce law and order.  That would be an extreme situation, but if it should happen, you have to look out for Number One (and your family), because no one else will be around to do it. I live in a gated community with a lot of retired military (it's Florida after all). We haven't reached the point of patrolling the community at night, but the subject has come up.
  • us55840us55840 Member Posts: 31,365 ✭✭✭✭
    Here is the BIG problem:
    “(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the possession, sale, or transfer of any semiautomatic assault weapon otherwise lawfully possessed under Federal law on the date of enactment of the Gun Violence Prevention and Community Safety Act of 2020."
     To be specific, the words "Assault weapon" because there is no such thing.  Assault weapon is a political made up term that is no specific to any particular weapon or firearm.


    "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it." Abraham Lincoln
  • serfserf Member Posts: 7,431 ✭✭✭
    edited April 4
    mac10 said:
    dead issue to many new liberal gun owners that all of a sudden saw the light
      They saw the light? Or they saw civil unrest? So at home is ok? Not in the streets/Not a semi-automatic long rifle with detachable magazine or stripper clips with stationary magazines over 3 rounds.
                                           serf

  • mac10mac10 Member Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭
    the bought pistols for self protection and shotguns to blow ya out the door:D
  • serfserf Member Posts: 7,431 ✭✭✭
    edited April 4
    mac10 said:
    the bought pistols for self protection and shotguns to blow ya out the door:D
      Just like Joe Biden's next step in gun control. No small arm weapons of modern warfare will be allowed in the end. No Minutemen or Patriots of Arms with free thinking people to take a stand against a small oligarchic system of power. The checks and balances have been circumvented so much in our government now you cannot find rational thoughts or actions from The Constitution or Bill of Rights being interpreted correctly that our Fore parents presented as just and right.
            We the people left our homeland to have the right to a just and fair government but now all we have is traditions of humankind. God has been expelled. Science has filled the void.
                                                       serf
  • LUFXDXLUFXDX Member Posts: 7
    Gun owners are the minority... how do you not see the majority winning and beating us.
    Every new election brings more and more NEW indoctrinated masses to the voting booths.
    Eventually, we gun owners lose the fight. To bad so many gun owners sat on their *`s for way to long.
  • LUFXDXLUFXDX Member Posts: 7
    I really have to laugh at some of you people thinking that the NEW liberal gun owner will save the 2A....lol
    Once this virus BS is over, they`ll be selling those guns that they bought, and back into the gun hate mode.
  • LUFXDXLUFXDX Member Posts: 7
    If Trump signs that BILL with any gun legislation wording in it, he WILL lose the gun voters for sure.
    Might as well elect brainless biden and get it over with.
  • Pat TriotPat Triot Member Posts: 2
    serf said:
    What are the chances of this passing after the elections in November 2020? Looks like we are in trouble.Just another mass murder before the elections and maybe even civil unrest, could do it.
                                                  serf
     ) (1) It shall be unlawful for a person to import, sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, a semiautomatic assault weapon.

    “(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the possession, sale, or transfer of any semiautomatic assault weapon otherwise lawfully possessed under Federal law on the date of enactment of the Gun Violence Prevention and Community Safety Act of 2020.




  • Pat TriotPat Triot Member Posts: 2
    HR 5717 will be voted on in the first week of August before their recess......Red Alert!
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 21,865 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 4
    30% tax on firearms and a 50% tax on ammo and components seems a little steep.  I really hope they lower that a little.

    On a serious note, this is constructed in the same manner as Reagan's full auto and select fire production ban included in the FOPA of 1986.  Not sure how many people were up in arms about that one, but it did to full auto what this is designed to do with a laundry list of semi-auto firearms.   You can own them, use them and sell them, but you cannot buy a new one.

    If you supported Reagan's action, you can really only have marginal disagreement with this one.  It is the logical stepping stone, and is the end result of electing a President who, while governor of California in 1967, said that he saw "no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons" and that guns were a "ridiculous way to solve problems that have to be solved among people of good will." In a later press conference, Reagan added that the Mulford Act "would work no hardship on the honest citizen."

    Every limitation, regardless of how small is a step on the way to the ultimate goal.  Our history as gun owners is a very selfish one, where we acquiesce to laws that don't effect us (we have ours, so what's the big deal?") while they limit those around us who do not have what we have, and to those that will follow us who will never have the chance. 

    Just as some sheep are mocking those of us who resist government imposed lockdowns and mask mandates for the magical Covid crisis, some sheep have mocked those of us who speak out against the NFA of 1934 and the FOPA of 1986.  If we continue to allow government to dictate that which they have no Constitutional authority to dictate, we are lost. 
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • NeoBlackdogNeoBlackdog Member Posts: 12,470 ✭✭✭✭
    "I really hope they lower that a little."
    LOL!  Just a little?
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