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6.5 Creedmoor! LIGHTS OUT!

WarbirdsWarbirds Member Posts: 16,943 ✭✭✭✭

I am not much of a rifle shooter but I can hold my own.

Mostly I am just not as interested in rifles as I am competitive pistol shooting, or even trap shooting. As a result, maybe 5% or less of my range time goes toward rifles past 100 yards. I would actually be surprised if rifles got a full 5% of my range time.

Being a lefty is its own set of problems with rifles.

Today I shot what I think is the best I have ever in my life with a rifle.

The rifle was a Savage 110(10?) in 6.5 Creedmoor with a nice Leupold 4-12scope and non-descript rings off a bench with sandbags. @300 yards I held just over 1/2MOA for 3 different groups of 3 shots.

I have shot lots of 1MOA groups at 100 yards, and I have made shots (hit a gong) out to 958 yards. I have never held 3 groups at about 1/2MOA @300 yards in my life until today.


I know this isn’t much for some of you, but for me, I will certainly be buying a 6.5 Creedmoor rifle.

This entire rifle as set up was less than $1,100.

Like dummies we put new targets over old targets so I don’t have a good souvenir, but I believe I could repeat that performance with that rifle. It was mid-day, overcast and had rained in the AM, the ammo escapes me but was off the shelf.

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  • toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,008 ✭✭✭✭
    I have 2 Creedmoor's, and love them. It's a decent round for deer sized game at moderate yardages, but as you just realized, is a whole bunch of fun to shoot at longer distances. Not much recoil for what it is.....
  • SCOUT5SCOUT5 Member Posts: 16,181 ✭✭✭✭
    Nice set up, good shooting.
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,541 ✭✭✭✭
  • randomnutrandomnut Member Posts: 942 ✭✭✭
    edited June 2020

    It's a decent round for deer sized game at moderate yardages,


    Not trying to start an argument, but my son took this cow at 710 yards. Two steps and a 70 yard slide down.


  • grdad45grdad45 Member Posts: 5,382 ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2020
    I bought a T/C Compass 6.5 CM last year with a Vortex scope in a combo for less than $450. At 74 years old, I am certainly not to be considered a marksman, but that gun (after a trigger adjustment) will outshoot all of my way more expensive rifles. My friend and I both were ringing steel at 300 yds with Hornady 143 gr. ELDX factory ammo. He ordered a twin to mine the next day!
    BTW---I dropped 3 whitetails, 2 DRT, 1 made about 20 yards and died, with it last season.
  • jimdeerejimdeere Member, Moderator Posts: 26,292 ******
    edited June 2020
  • randomnutrandomnut Member Posts: 942 ✭✭✭
  • hobo9650hobo9650 Member Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭
    I have two.  Try a Kimber and a Browning BEFORE you buy.  A lot of any shooting is in the trigger,

    I splurged and put a Nightforce on mine.  Great money spent.

    Been shooting a 6.5 X 55, M96 with a 29" barrel since the 90's.  Love it.
  • chiefrchiefr Member Posts: 14,116 ✭✭✭✭
    People are finding out Savage has been making by far the most accurate bolt guns and have been doing so for some time now. Plus they come with the best factory trigger of all the big names: Ruger, Remington, Winchester, Browning: Savage out performs all of them and at a lesser price. Even their budget Axis series shoots as good as the 110 series. 

    Most important: They are made in the USA.  
  • badchrisbadchris Member Posts: 1,676 ✭✭✭

    +1 on Savage, great bang for the buck and USA made. I have an old one in 22-250 that’s a tack driver.

    Enemies of armed self-defense focus on the gun. They ignore the person protected with that gun.
  • MIKE WISKEYMIKE WISKEY Member Posts: 10,047 ✭✭✭✭
    just to note; 6.5x55, .260 rem., 6.5 c= 3 peas in the same pod
  • chiefrchiefr Member Posts: 14,116 ✭✭✭✭
    just to note; 6.5x55, .260 rem., 6.5 c= 3 peas in the same pod
    Spot on Mike. 

  • Horse Plains DrifterHorse Plains Drifter Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 40,259 ***** Forums Admin

    Im not a fan of it at all i call it a novelty round. Create a new round that isnt really better than anything else and get a bunch of hype around it then get everyone to chamber it in thier rifles just to sell a bunch of ammunition. Personally i think its just as useless as .224 valkyrie. But to each thier own.


  • nononsensenononsense Member Posts: 10,928 ✭✭✭✭
    grdad45 said:
    I bought a T/C Compass 6.5 CM last year with a Vortex scope in a combo for less than $450. At 74 years old, I am certainly not to be considered a marksman, but that gun (after a trigger adjustment) will outshoot all of my way more expensive rifles.
    I will suggest that you probably bought the wrong 'more expensive' rifles in the first place.

    While rifles from major commercial manufacturers have certainly made terrific leaps in quality due largely to the demands of the consumer, they simply will NOT out shoot the high quality custom rifles created to be accurate and reliable consistently. And further, we all have limits within which we function, what we find to be acceptable which is not the same for all shooters. That's why we find such a wide range of prices and therefore quality in the firearms/ammunition market. Some folks do well with one end of the spectrum while others need something different or improved.

    What complicates this matter is that there are always exceptions to the average market performance of any manufacturers line of rifles and ammunition. Folks will post their exceptions trying to make a case for being the average when in reality it is not. It is the exception not the rule. But I take nothing away from any of the exceptions as they are still an accomplishment and deserve to be acknowledged as an achievement.

    Naysayers are nothing more than petulant children digging in their heels against someone else's success. They can't stand it when someone else succeeds and succeeds in a big way especially when it compromises their own opinions. The 6.5 Creedmoor is a success and an excellent cartridge both factory loaded as well as custom handloads. Compare or contrast all you want, it will still be a success and has been for over 10 years now.


    Custom 6.5 Creedmoor, 21" Bartlein barrel, Rem. 700, Jewell trigger, chassis stock, no bedding.
    5-shots @ 100 yards during a rain storm in November.
    400ft ASL, 80 degrees, 100% humidity. (The target got damp)
    Bore sighted only, first 5 shots out of a new barrel, one fouler fired just down range, not on target .
    Nightforce scope.
    Here's the clincher... FACTORY HORNADY BLACK ammunition. 140gr. BTHP @ 2700+ fps. from Academy.

    Best.



  • redneckandyredneckandy Member Posts: 9,716 ✭✭✭✭
    grdad45 said:
    I bought a T/C Compass 6.5 CM last year with a Vortex scope in a combo for less than $450. At 74 years old, I am certainly not to be considered a marksman, but that gun (after a trigger adjustment) will outshoot all of my way more expensive rifles. My friend and I both were ringing steel at 300 yds with Hornady 143 gr. ELDX factory ammo. He ordered a twin to mine the next day!
    BTW---I dropped 3 whitetails, 2 DRT, 1 made about 20 yards and died, with it last season.
    I bought a 6.5CM Compass too. I think I paid $230 without a scope. Will do under an inch at 100yds all day long.

  • badchrisbadchris Member Posts: 1,676 ✭✭✭

    @nononsense

    I hear you about Hornady Black. My bolt action 6.5CM loves that stuff.

    Enemies of armed self-defense focus on the gun. They ignore the person protected with that gun.
  • randomnutrandomnut Member Posts: 942 ✭✭✭
    edited June 2020

    The others mentioned ammo. There are so many great bullets loaded in factory ammo available in 6.5 CM.

    I met a guy with a new RPR in 6.5CM at the 1000 yard range. He scoped that rifle and dialed in at 100, and with the help of an experienced spotter made hits to 1000 in minutes, with 22$ a box Hornady ammo

  • savage170savage170 Member Posts: 37,573 ✭✭✭✭

    When I built my AR 10 I looked real hard at the 6.5 Creedmoor most of my shooting is 150 yds or less for my type of hunting I thought the 308 filled my needs a little better plus I had a bunch ammo on hand

  • toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,008 ✭✭✭✭
    randomnut said:

    It's a decent round for deer sized game at moderate yardages,


    Not trying to start an argument, but my son took this cow at 710 yards. Two steps and a 70 yard slide down.


    No argument here, nice cow. However, if you look at recommended ethical minimums to kill an elk of 1200-1500 pounds
    https://www.chuckhawks.com/elk_cartridges.htm
    https://cpw.state.co.us/learn/Pages/EHU-CH2-L10.aspx#:~:text=A%20commonly%20accepted%20threshold%20for,243%20Win.
    and the energy at 700 yards from the 143 eldx (if that's what you were shooting)
    https://unclezo.com/2019/07/19/hornady-precision-hunter-143-grain-6-5mm-creedmoor-eld-x/
    There's not much room for error. Guessing that your son's shot was right thru the heart, and that was the ticket. But if there was any shooter error, wind drift or something else to make the bullet miss the mark, just a bit, and you would probably have a wounded animal. Like you, not trying to start anything, just wouldn't be my choice at that distance for an elk. Ringing steel or breaking rocks at 1000+ yards is a whole other story....
  • rufe-snowrufe-snow Member Posts: 18,650 ✭✭✭
    just to note; 6.5x55, .260 rem., 6.5 c= 3 peas in the same pod
    +1, 
    Hornady, reinvented the wheel in 2007. 6.5 Swede, had been around for 113 years.

    IMHO, the only questionable improvement, Hornady made. Was they based it on the necked down, slightly shorter, (.120). .308 Brass. 
  • SCOUT5SCOUT5 Member Posts: 16,181 ✭✭✭✭
    Rifles are like most equipment.  You reach a point where you spend more and more dollars for less and less improvement.   But like everything else that cost is worth it to some people.   Cars are an example, how comfortable you want to be or how fast do you want to go.   I remember back in the 70's a buddy of mine went to an engine shop asking if they could build him an engine to make his Chevelle "go fast".  The man asked him "how fast do you want to go"   $3,000 fast, $5,000 fast, $10,000?   (A lot of money for a $500 car.)   You need a rifle that will perform at the level you need it, if that's shooting cans at 25 yards or cans at 1000+ yards.   Most of us do not need $5,000+ rifles but some do.   
  • randomnutrandomnut Member Posts: 942 ✭✭✭

    Most shooters and hunters I would agree. I normally don't look at what they say you need energy wise on any certain game, but I also won't take severely undersized weapons on a hunt. He shoots a Berger 140 VLD Hunt out of that 6.5. Berger says that bullet needs around 1700 FPS to expand reliably, and he's at 1700 at 700 yards. The bullet performed awesome, absolutely decimating the vitals.

    I will say I'm a 6.5 fanboy, all the way back to 6.5 Swede, but I also shot an elk that day. 690 yards in a 300 mag.

  • jimdeerejimdeere Member, Moderator Posts: 26,292 ******
    The 6.5 Creedmoor should only be made in single shot rifles, since a follow up shot is never required. >:)
  • nononsensenononsense Member Posts: 10,928 ✭✭✭✭
    rufe-snow said:
    just to note; 6.5x55, .260 rem., 6.5 c= 3 peas in the same pod
    +1, 
    Hornady, reinvented the wheel in 2007. 6.5 Swede, had been around for 113 years.

    IMHO, the only questionable improvement, Hornady made. Was they based it on the necked down, slightly shorter, (.120). .308 Brass. 
    Actually, the parent case of record is the .30 T/C which Hornady already controlled and was set up to produce. It doesn't require the modifications necessary if the .308 Win. case is used instead. But if you choose to believe that the venerable .308 Win. case is the root of most modern cartridges, then you can also extend that same belief to encompass the thought that the 7mm Mauser should be given the same consideration. But then what of the similar yet longer cases such as the .30-06? Should they not be considered to be the grandfather of all of the U.S. cartridges even though the Mauser cartridges pre-date the longer members?

    You see, it can get complicated when trying to make a simple decision of parentage for a simple cartridge case. It's often better to use Occam's Razor as the deciding factor:  “plurality should not be posited without necessity”.

    It is variously paraphrased by statements like "the simplest solution is most likely the right one". This philosophical razor advocates that when presented with competing hypotheses about the same prediction, one should select the solution with the fewest assumptions, and that this is not meant to be a way of choosing between hypotheses that make different predictions.

    Best.



  • rufe-snowrufe-snow Member Posts: 18,650 ✭✭✭

    .243 7mm08 6mm Remington all flat shooting short action cartridges. Im just not a fan. If i need to reach out and hit anything at those ranges and much further i have a .338 Lapua magnum for that which in my opinion will outperform that novelty cartridge any day of the week at even longer ranges. Only advantage you have on me there is much cheaper and readily available ammo.

    You neglected to mention. The biggest advantage of the 6.5 C, over the .338 Lapua. It won't beat the crap out of you, like the .338 Lapua will. 
  • toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,008 ✭✭✭✭

    .243 7mm08 6mm Remington all flat shooting short action cartridges. Im just not a fan. If i need to reach out and hit anything at those ranges and much further i have a .338 Lapua magnum for that which in my opinion will outperform that novelty cartridge any day of the week at even longer ranges. Only advantage you have on me there is much cheaper and readily available ammo.

    Using that comparison, if you own a 22lr, and any 22 centerfire then it's the same logic. You're obviously not a creedmoor fan and that's fine, the same reason I don't see a need for a Lapua for my uses. The nice thing about a creedmoor is that it's an effective target gun to 1000 yards plus, and is easy to shoot and reload for. If you want to shoot your 338 with 3x as much powder and a bullet that's twice as heavy, go for it.... That's the reason that there are so many choices. Hey, someone things me ex wife is a great choice, but she was a novelty to me.....
  • dreherdreher Member Posts: 8,893 ✭✭✭✭
    You want super accurate and don't want to mortgage the house you buy a Savage.   It really is that simple.
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