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Do you think there was voter fraud, significant enough to sway the presidential election?
Mr. Perfect
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Do you think there was voter fraud, significant enough to sway the presidential election? 37 votes
Yes, but not significant enough to sway one way or the other
2%
1 vote
Yes, and it swayed the election in favor of Biden
97%
36 votes
No, I don't think there was any fraud at all
0%
Yes, and it actually helped Trump close the gap on Biden.
0%
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I believe I have seen enough evidence of anomalies that suggest fraudulent votes impacted the election in Biden's favor.
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I believe there has always been some fraud, but Trump should have won by an overwhelming margin.
Washington DC. went 93% for Biden. Even the people who work for Trump voted against him.
So, make your selection then.
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I thought I did but I forgot to hit the vote button.
There was absolutely fraud to swing the vote to Biden.
How can I be sure? Put on your lab coat, dust off your calculator and dive into this report. It's based purely on mathematics and proves there was fraud within the tolerances of what the world statistical community accepts as "possible" and "impossible".
Sure a lot of people claiming to have seen fraud, and willing to swear to it.
Not just a "friend's cousin said" like many past whistle blowers.
If Vindman's 2nd hand knowledge of a phone conversation was enough to trigger the kind of Inquisition the democrats put the nation through, then video evidence and sworn testimony from dozens of first-hand eye witnesses should be enough to fire up the Inquisition machine again.
dark money needs to get out of politics
There was fraud.
Was it enough to sway the election?
Impossible to answer.
Given the videos and testimony that is coming out now, it is very possible.
That said, even were it probable, there is virtually no path to correction prior to the seating of the Electoral College or even the Inauguration.
The democrats were smart. Chasing 200 individual manipulations across 10 jurisdictions, with none being large enough to change an individual state means that virtually no judge will step in on one of those cases. The truth seekers need to bring all cases from each state into a single venue as is being done in Nevada to show that this was indeed systemic and that there is sufficient evidence to potentially effect a change in outcome.
With billions of dollars available to the DNC, it is ridiculous to think that someone considered the possibility of spending say $ 250,000 in Philadelphia, Atlanta, Detroit, and Milwaukee to, shall we say, encourage poll workers to perhaps scan a ballot multiple times, ignore that the suitcase they just received consists of 10,000 identical signatures, etc.
This million dollars, divided up amongst 20 people would have changed the result of the election.
Given the swore testimony in each of these venues there is obviously sufficient evidence to pursue this, regardless of the hundreds of talking heads to insert the word baseless into every discussion.
Brad Steele
What assumption are you seeing Barz?
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Excellent point, gonna have to borrow that.
President Trump could not keep his mouth shut talking about folks that even worked for him or he fired. No empathy for the Virus got him out (spoken from his X election leader). No doubt he done a great job as President but Biden clearly stated he would just let Trump keep talking , which he did and he spoke himself right out of a job. I clearly recall standing up in a management meeting one time and telling the owner.. Boss... Quit telling everyone you are in charge... everyone knows it.
Do tell, what "glaring erroneous assumption" are you referring too?
You're the one making the claim. If you don't know, maybe don't.
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Perhaps this will sway some doubters:
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Looks like either do over the election process or have a civil dis-obedience audience with a possibility of an insurrection. Doesn't look good for The Old Republic after 224 years. Mankind and it's governments. that they form all fall short in time and very imperfect with ambition and greed at work.
serf
I was an election worker in my county from 2002 until 2013. Not one single election that I worked in all of those years was free and fair. The only thing that changed was the methods the demonkraps used to cheat and the extent of their cheating! After every election I screamed and shouted, wrote and called all the "officials" that I could think of from the county, to the state to the federal level. None -- as in no one -- cared! I finally quit in 2013 after I caught a guy voting under 8 different names for that jug-earned, mooslim lovin' POS in the 2012 presidential election. Finally came to realize that most Amerians are too stupid to know that they are already slaves to a government run by demonkraps and their sycophants. As Benjamin Franklin explained: “When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.” No one is willing to admit that it's been dead since the "Landslide Lyndon" bought the black vote.
Well Barzillia if you would tell us we would all know ow wouldn't we. So, tell us all the "assumptions" you claim, see, deduce, theorize or know. It is really not all that hard....
Barzillia, the master of the circular logic and, as usual, totally useless when it comes down to actually having input of value to the discussion. You caaim there is an "argument" yet refust to expand upon your findings that may shed light on your claim.
We mere peons await your brilliant input so we to can be enlightened. Again, as usual, you can't or won't help.
CNN, MSNBC and VOX should sign you up for a talking head opinion segment. It would make the Marxist Progressives proud. A lot of chatter with nothing said.
It's simple a just meme threader cannot inject objectivity but only subjectivity. Barz has favoritism toward one side or another, he must push a theme like the brick by brick meme he used in the past.
However in politics both sides play this game and their is no statesmen left any longer in our political parties, if there was they would get pushed out quickly and would get no funds from corporate lobbyist/lawyers.
The system plays both sides off to the middle and occasionally throws a bone to one side or the other to keep them barking. A third political party in the system like in Israel would in my mind inject more power to we the people. instead of the dead lock we get now.
Now playing with the Constitution and Bill of Rights by The Supreme Court is another subject all together. Like changing what the definition of a marriage is or was for example. Case law is how they manipulate the horse pulling the buggy.
serf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYXd2iLKJK0
And they will do the same thing in January in Georgia. Hell I would if I were them. When you can do pretty much whatever you want and there are never any consequences then why not?? And people are , I will be nice here, ignorant enough to vote for democraps. And damn the rupublican politicians who stand buy and let it happen, cause they get PAID to do it, are no better and probably worse than the democraps.
my wife and sons all agree ( with millions more )
Yes, and it swayed the election in favor of Biden
there should be people going to jail but I will settle with the truth Trump won
yes there was voter imho fraud,,, a neighbor of mine got two mail in ballots in his mother name who had passed away over a year ago another person received mail in ballots for different residences he owns and one for a previous owner
and guy i know told me the he and his wife each received unsolicited mail in ballots
Looks like I’m a 3%-er. Can I change my vote? Maybe I can vote more than once?
Okay I'll explain this.
Premise: several vote updates in competitive states were unusually large and had unusually high Biden-to-Trump vote ratios.
In the election statistics there is a consistent mathematical property: there is an inverse relationship between: a) the difference in candidates’ vote counts (the margin) and b) the ratio of the vote counts (the log-ratio):
8,954 vote updates were used, and four vote updates were identified as the 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 7th most anomalous updates. These updates did not follow the typical pattern, and their anomalous behavior was particularly extreme.
So far this is pure mathematics. We have numbers and a simple analysis reveals “standard” behavior and “outliers” to that behavior. This is explained as a Poisson Distribution. Typically we find 95% of all results in a set lie within 4 standard deviations from the mean. But like everyone knows, “figures lie and liars figure”. So to accommodate the reality that margins and ratios will vary between states, we perform a data standardization: we subtract the mean of the data from each point, then divide by the standard deviation. This produces a series of distributions that permit apples-to-apples comparison of margins and log-ratios between states. If we multiply the margins and log-ratios, we can plot and evaluate the distribution of the results:
the results are overwhelmingly concentrated near the median. There are 4 results as extreme outliers (probability of occurrence around 0.00001%) all 4 are in the swing states, and all 4 results were submitted for tabulation within 5 hours of each other.
These are the standardized results, intentionally modified to eliminate bias between states. The four ballot dumps (outliers) that cost Trump the election are shown on the plot.
You decide if there was fraud.
YES, but saying it is one thing, PROVING it will be next to impossible.......
You concentrate on the mail in ballot drops and see how many have been disallowed under law.If they destroy them first however there will be no proof to disallowed. Of course some dumps might be dominion software intrusions too which cannot produce a physical ballot and would be a crafty way to produce votes with no recourse in a recount. This is where it gets complicated. The Court system knows this but does not want to get in the quicksand and start a civil war.
serf
My entire adult life I have voted faithfully, all the time maintaining my votes does not count - now I am certain it does not count.
All great civilizations grow beyond their boundries then fail.
I don't see name calling or abuse in bpost post.
DEMOCRAT That's about as low a name as I can come up with for you.
You're going to lecture me on how to do my job? I've banned you once before for two weeks. Now you're banned for two months. At the close of those two months, I will consider whether or not you will return to the forums.
I like the looks of that. In fact, the more I look at that, the more inclined I am to make it permanent.
I never minded the opinion, but but the delivery was especially vexing.
I was never able to figure out Barzilla. I would read one post and write him off as a screamingly liberal/troll/nut job. I would read another post and think, hunh, that doesn't sound like Barzilla, because that actually seems like a reasonable comment. Personally I have always wondered what he really believed. Or if all he was interested in was pizzing people off. Sounds like I will now never know the answer to that question. 😁
Your bias against the meaning derived from the results of that statistical analysis precluded you from more than a cursory scan of the study. What you assert could be true if the statistics anticipated erroneous vote counts in those swing states, leading to potential for dishonest observations, possibly resulting from confirmation bias. This was not predictive, this is observational and analytical.
Nationwide, the standardized voting margins and log ratios fell within 4 standard deviations, plus the expected outliers. This is easy to demonstrate after the fact. Remember this is a followup analysis; it is not predictive. While this normal behavior happened, something else ridiculously aberrant happened four times. The graph of the trailing candidate's margins took ENORMOUS vertical leaps. It happened four places in America. It was the equivalent of four people rising from the dead.
So the natural response is "why did those four people rise from the dead?" Notice the question doesn't ask where it happened, or their ethnicity or age or citizenship. The one thing that startled the observers was these people rose from the dead. It was stark, dramatic, and visible for the world to see.
This aberrant voting behavior was SO extreme that it is statistically impossible. There was no cherry picking of iffy polling locations or newly-curious voters. It doesn't matter what impetus caused it to happen. This study analyzes the results, not the causes. And it demonstrates the results are statistically impossible.
PS: read the article and graphs carefully. The standardized results are plotted and 4 standard deviations from the mean lie at about 5. From the report, "all but 10 results fall lower than 20". 20 would represent 16 standard deviations from the mean, which is a mathematically impossible result. The aberrant numbers for MI, GA, WI and MI lie 20, 30, 45 and 60 standard deviations from the mean.
Mark, I actually hate to see him banned. It would be much more enlightening to have him explain his claims and share his thoughts, ideas and point of view. He may have something of true value to add to the discussion, if only he would explain himself. It is nigh on impossible to force someone to explain themselves, he would have been a great lawyer on the OJ Simpson dream team, deflect, obscure and never explain himself or answer a question related to the issue.
I understand his banning and hope he can learn a thing or two about open discussions and how to contribute to them in a valuable manner. It has been an exercise in frustration for over a decade in getting him to explain his point of view.
Years ago he said he worked for some government (?) agency and I believe it is related to medical field. He also claimed he was instrumental in sending someone to prison for three years for misdeeds. When asked about it he said he would disclose the information regarding the jail term in three years. That seems to be about a decade ago. I asked him about it a few years back and he said he was still working for ????? and IIRC needed to retire before he disclosed more on the issue.
What he does and why he acts in the manner he does is still a mystery even after all these years.
I’d say that voting fraud goes way back:
Wikipedia of Frank Hamer...
”In September 1948, he was called back to Ranger duty to play a small role in the notorious 1948 United States Senate election in Texas.[41][42] Former Governor Coke Stevenson hired him to accompany him to the Texas State Bank in Alice to examine the tally sheets for ballot box 13, which held ballots for his opponent Representative Lyndon Johnson which he knew to be fraudulent. Outside the bank stood two glowering groups of armed men. Hamer got out of the car, approached the first group, and said "*" and they left. The second group was blocking the doors of the bank, and he said "fall back" and they did.[43]
Your comment will factor heavily on my decision whether or not I allow Barzilla to return to the forum. Regardless, he'll do the full 60 days in the hole. I have no idea what he was even arguing with you about; but he claimed name calling and abuse. I saw none and made a ruling to that fact. That should have been the end of it, but it never is with him. He wasn't banned for arguing with you; he was banned because he ran his mouth at me. This is the second time he's been banned for that, and I'm not inclined to give him the chance at a third. Best,
I fully support your decision Mark, you are and always have been a fair and reasonable man.
Your analysis is spot on. Despite distractions from detractors, this is pretty clear evidence of voting anomalies that need to be investigated.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain