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ORM-D is no more, how do you ship ammo now?
Henry0Reilly
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I saw a story somewhere that said ORM-D isn't the standard any more but I didn't pay much attention to it, having no need to know at that time. Now I need to send a box of primers and 100 rounds of .38 Special to Toledo.
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Use the consumer commodity white/black triangle for the ammo. The primers have to go hazmat, and unless you are a certified shipper, you could end up losing a bunch, and becoming some bad man's boyfriend... Not worth it, IMO.
I know no one wants to hear it but you are not supposed to ship primers without a hazmat license.
thanks
It hadn't occurred to me that primers alone would be any more dangerous than live rounds.
https://forums.gunbroker.com/discussion/1897228/orm-d-classification-change-to-limited-quantity-effective-january-1-2021%E2%80%8B#latest
Primers are capable (in theory) of "mass detonating" However, ammo is not. The mass of brass and bullet soaks up energy if one round would fire. One of the nastier fatal accidents in an ammo plant was a worker with a bucket of primers. One primer sneezed, they ALL sneezed.
We used to use 2 different electric blasting caps, both same size, but 2 different shipping classes. One had a 20 ft legwire, the other a 150 ft leg wire. Difference was the mass of the wire would prevent the whole box of caps from sympathetically detonating.
In 'Hatcher's Notebook' there is an anecdote about a guy who disappeared after a large explosion. He was last seen carrying a bucket of loose primers and they could be heard jingling around in the bucket. No one was around but they put two and two together and surmised what had occurred.
Still trying to drill down thru all the levels but I think you can self train thru the federal dot website . I know there are commercial schools / training outfits with prices from about 60 bucks and up .Depends on how many primers you have to sell if it is worth the time and hassle
or you could pre-prime the empty brass and send it with the ammo.........
Hillbillie is correct- primed brass ships as ammo.
So no "ammunition, small arms" labeling requirement anymore either?
Should look like the above
Needs to be at least 4x4 inches I think.
So they left a space in the middle for the address? 😎
There was another thread like this a few weeks ago, and IIRC, Ridgleyart posted a jpg that you could copy and print. I was able to get 6 squares on a sheet of paper. I cut them out, and put them on the ammo I am shipping. They came out to be 4"x4" at the widest point. UPS said they are just fine. Send Ridleyart a pm....
Friend from Toledo is coming to me. She's taking her CCW class and bought Speer plastic rounds to practice with, then learned primers are out of sight if you can find them. I bought 2000 at 15 cents each. I also have some Speer plastic rounds so one box is for me.
I have been using the local UPS retailer (not main hub it's 110 miles round trip) to send ammo and they put on the sticker for me.
One clerk there told me I could not ship with out an adult signature required, that is not true is is not needed (as per conversation with UPS support).
According to UPS, you take the ammo to the HUB or schedule UPS to come and pick them up. My UPS hub is 35 minutes away in Birmingham. So I did three shipment this morning around 7:00 am, UPS just came and picked them up, worked great. Cost was $16.75 for this pickup.
"One clerk there told me I could not ship with out an adult signature required, that is not true is is not needed (as per conversation with UPS support)."
Thanks also to you last two guys for your comments.
As for "adult signature required" I'm 100% sure I read that in the UPS regs at some point when I was shipping ammo in the past.