Constitutional Carry In Texas, HB 1927
nunn
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It's being debated in the Texas Senate now, and if it hits the Governor's desk, he has promised to sign it.
I do not oppose this bill. I do not wholeheartedly support it, either. I just can't see how it will affect me, positively or negatively.
The law would allow those who are not prohibited by federal or state law to possess a handgun, to carry said handgun, openly or concealed.
I should think that convicted felons and other prohibited persons would opt for concealed carry, and anyone bold enough to carry openly is probably OK.
I’m retired, and I carry concealed because that’s the way I always did it when I was off-duty. I don't want to make the young coppers who don't know me nervous, and if I ever have to present, I want it to be a surprise.
If the bill passes, officers will deal with it. Kinda like they have to deal with increasing restrictions, unreasonable oversight, second-guessing and ignorant criticism from all directions, for whatever they do.
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I've been watching this bill nunn and hope it gets passed without being watered down... I live in Texas, but opted to get Florida CCL since it was easier about 7 years ago, it has since expired and i don't feel the need to jump through the hoops to renew or get the Texas one, this bill would allow me to carry without jumping through the hoops. Disclaimer, I have never carried except on the ranch, never felt the need too carry in public so far, but I'd like to have the option should situations around here change.
..."I do not oppose this bill. I do not wholeheartedly support it, either"
....Same here...when CHL's were being debated here, those opposed said "streets would run red with blood", of course it didn't happen.
...Ive had a CHL since day one, always carried concealed for the reason you gave...I would hope that the newbies who decide to carry will get some training...
List of turncoat CHL instructors- more concerned with their side hustle than your rights.
I simply can’t say this class has ANY value. I have taken it twice.
I doubt it will pass,You know the LEO's on the beat will be worried more.I would if I was one.
serf
Warbirds the wife and I took the class, I did learn some about the laws, but the instructor was a bigoted dumb * who spent most of the class putting down the POTUS (Obama) was in office and I am not a fan, but this "instructor" wasted most of my time and money spent on pushing his personnel agenda...
I can't fathom a valid reason for not supporting it wholeheartedly.
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Open carry has been legal without a permit in WA since day 1. We still require permits to carry concealed (it's a shall issue state). If they went away, I can't imagine what would possibly change, other than losing revenue from the permitting process.
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Spot on MR P.
BLUE States are sending a powerful message to gun hating DEMOCRATs. My state has passed a number of pro 2A to include 2A sanctuary and stand your ground. More are in the cue.
...I'm with Dano, it will pass, Texas Senate is Repub majority...
...Passed another hurdle today,... amendments were added and those have to be discussed. Amendments were about strengthening laws governing felons from owning firearms, then goes to Governor to sign...Gov. has already said if bill gets to him he will sign it...its about a done deal at this point...and I just renewed my CHL...
Criminals don't gave a hoot what laws are passed so why would an LEO be more worried about law abiding people carrying guns?
It passed the Louisiana house and senate, finally. However governor John Bhole Edwards said he'll veto. We may have a veto proof majority.
States with constitutional carry today: 20
Arkansas has been a constitutional carry state since 2013. Took a couple of court cases to convince the prosecutors and police departments of the fact, after they had to pay defense atty fees. I have been carrying concealed for over 30 years, don't see a reason to change now.
wva passed a similar bill few years ago, no big deal and no blood running red in streets so far, I kept my CCL simply because I am right across the river from ohio and go over there quite often and my CCL keeps me legal in ohio, if I was never planning on leaving the state I might let it lapse.......
I am totally opposed to it!
I think everyone should have to sit through 12 hrs of listening to some blow hard pontificate on stuff that has no meaning to the law or the responsability of carrying a concealed firearm, then go to a range and shoot 5 shots at a paper plate 7 feet away with the gun you are going to carry. When I looked around I saw that I was in the minority, that 95% of the people were going to carry a target 22lr handgun. Then pay the bloviating instructor $90 to get your certificate.
Next drive downtown to the Sheriffs office, pay another $90 to fill out a form and get fingerprinted for another $10. I almost forgot I had to pay $5 for parking. Then wait 3 months for your CCL to arrive.
Everyone should have to go through that dang it!!
Agree. I wish highball were here.
Exactly Smitty. The LEOs opposed to it really, deep down, just want to be the only ones with the guns. They don't like the fact they might lose their status as more privileged citizen.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Two new carriers decide that road rage time is better with firearms,maybe? Also I if you can't buy a hand gun under 21 does it mean your constitutional right to carry is null and void?
serf
If you’re 18 to 20, you can buy a long gun from an FFL but are limited to private sales for handguns. And remember, purchasing a firearm, and legally possessing or carrying a firearm all involve different legal issues. For example, an 18-year-old can legally purchase a handgun in a private sale.
Let me get this straight. You think 8hours of classroom training would prevent such an issue?
Care to explain why the 20 or so states that have constitutional carry don’t have this problem?
Yep, AR also passed stand your ground, 2A Sanct, and more in the cue, including making it a crime to enforce any federal gun laws violating individuals 2A rights..... well done AR!
...Looks like several people had some crap instructors...20+ years ago when I had to take the initial class, the instructor was very good...mostly dealt with Texas gun laws and no BS...a few people NEEDED everything the guy had to offer, they knew next to nothing about shooting a hand gun, some waived their guns around in class and when chided for it the common retort was "oh its not loaded", 100% morons.
...Texas went Constitutional Carry yesterday as soon as the Gov signs it, and he will... so no license needed...sure gun sales are booming...I HOPE that people who know nothing about handguns at least take a shooting class and do some shooting to learn about their gun...
@Texas1911DE
-The people that need some guidance should not require a LAW which subjects all citizens to that same guidance.
You maybe far more eloquent expressing your first amendment rights than I am or many others. That doesn’t mean we should pass a law forcing people into English 101 before they are PERMITTED to communicate.
Yep we have liberal inner cities populations in this state that will take advantage of open constitutional carry and turn it against us in time. Some times more gun rights turn into less gun rights in the long run. It's more complex then just opening the door for all.
If your eighteen and buy from an individual then commit a crime with it guess what ?That kind of data carriers over to the legislature and could bring more anti-gun laws.Like no private sales period!
serf
Well........it looks like it passed the State Senate.......now going to committee.......to hash out specific language......then to Abott's desk where it will be signed into law.
As far as training and proficiency requirements......really, nothing changes. As a gun owner, every individual is responsible for their own training and proficiency. If one decides to carry openly or concealed......all applicable laws as to use of force and prohibited places will still apply . The decision to carry means being safe and proficient and knowing the law regarding use of force in Texas. Guys.........20 states already allow this, and none of them have turned into a free-for-all...."wild west shootout" situation. The bad guys will have theirs regardless of the law. This only removes an administrative requirement for licensing.
Texas1911 ..SAID......
"...I HOPE that people who know nothing about handguns at least TAKE a shooting class and do some shooting to learn about their gun..."
Teaxas1911... DIDN'T SAY..."Pass a law that REQUIRES EVERYONE to TAKE a class" ..reading comprehension is somewhat lacking...
...Ive been around GB more than 20 years and NEVER have even thought or said, that ANY state should require a "class" for people before buying OR carrying ANY firearm...having seen some people without a clue, waiving guns around, KNOWING they will be carrying them in public...I would hope these CLUELESS people would learn about the firearm they are going to be carrying... kinda common sense...
...Dano, I hear ya..."things" are not what or as they may appear...
..."driving down the highway (your legally carrying) and you see an older guy half pushing a girl towards his truck, shes struggling, trying to get away, and your first thought is "shes being kidnapped!"..so you stop, ready to stop the guy no matter what it takes...then you find out the guy has just found his daughter after she had ran away from home to find her boyfriend...duh me...things are not always as they appear...I'm NOT saying "don't stop" to check out the situation, just be careful, things are not always as appear...
Latest info is that the senate has adding amendments that will not follow house rules and it may die there... Lt. Gov Patrick is letting this happen...
Serf that's only an argument to stay diligent and to ensure laws are enacted that punish the offenders and not the law abiding. That's true no matter the jurisdiction. It's not an excuse to make or keep "preventative" laws which a) do nothing to prevent and b) only serve to further restrict the law abiding.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
They are pardoning them faster then they can lock them up now.And with the new normal they are not even enforcing the laws anymore. Plus they are having mass killings weekly now and you can bet there is firearms confiscation coming one way or another. It's like trying to put fingers in the dike and they are running out of fingers.The deluge is imminent.
serf
I'm a Texas CHL Holder and I lobby state government (on agricultural, natural resource, and water issues). The Texas State Senate amended the House Constitutional Carry bill and today it's back in the House. Gun Owners of America, who have an influential presence here in Texas, strongly desired the bill to pass the Senate "clean" without amendments as these amendments now must be "acceptable to the (House) author," stand for points of order in the House, and be approved and passed verbatim by the House. Conference Committee would happen if the House and Senate cannot come to agreement on the bill language which must be identical. The chances of the House floor approving the Senate amendments verbatim are slim and Conference Committee can be fast, or slow, depending on appropriate (de)motivation. We're down to three weeks of session remaining and there's hundreds of things that still need to be addressed by the legislature. The only requirement the Texas Legislature has, when they meet for 140 days every two years, is to pass a biennium budget; the rest is secondary, or lower, in importance. It doesn't look good for Texas Constitutional Carry but stranger things have happened. We will be having a later "special" session for redistricting but if it is called specifically for redistricting legislators are under zero obligation to address anything else in the special; but additional legislation has been known to happen there as well. It gets complicated.