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What if?
NeoBlackdog
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The M1 Garand had been chambered for 270 Winchester instead of .30-06?
Discuss, flame, whatever.
I can hear Nononsense and Mark Christian grinding their teeth already!
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Probably give you 2 more rounds w/o losing much in the way of practical stopping power for WW2 engagements.
Its is an idea with Merritt.
NOT a chance that would have happened. The 30-06 was a battle cartridge from WW1 , proven at that TO a degree, plus every man in the USA had the 30-06 or a 30-30 after the war. A cartridge to me is the most versatile of any made. Yes I have my share of 30-06 rifles.🙂
I think the trade off in capacity would have absolutely been worth it.
Wasn’t the .276 Pederson considered?
Isn't the 270 based on the 30.03 just like the 06. The cases have the same major dia., so how is capacity changed +2 ?
It wouldn't change the capacity any.
A big problem would be issuing two calibers so similar in size and shape. 1903's and some machine guns used 30-06, imagine shoving some of those in a .270 Garand.
We would be speaking either german or japanese depending on what side of the rockys you are on.
Everyone knows the 270 win will not kill anything.
Yes it was, in the Pedersen T1E3 rifle. It was considered one of the front-runners to be picked as a replacement for the '03 but the Garand design in '06won out, though originally the Garand was to be chambered in .276 Pedersen (which actually uses a 7mm/.284 bullet).
I think the main reason the '06 cartridge was chosen is as has been stated. We already had LOTS of machineguns chambered for the round, lots of surplus 1903's, and tons of available ammo. I believe it was General MacArthur himself that made the ultimate decision to stick with the '06 round.
Yes the 06 round was chosen because the worst time to change ammo is in the middle of a war, ask the Italians and the Japs how that worked for them.
Garand had to change the rifle to fit the older 06 cartridge. The original was to be in the "New" 276 Pedersen.
That's the .276 Pedersen M1 which held 10 rounds, not the .270 Winchester, which is based on 30-03. An M1 in .270 would have held 8 rounds just like the 30 cal.
The commercial M1s made in Geneseo, IL, from the private Springfield Armory were available in .270 Winchester.
"Everyone knows the 270 win will not kill anything."..............mice, ground squirrels, small rabbits 😙
Yes, and it was going to be 10 rounds. However, then trouble started brewing they modified the print and hurried the M1 into production with the existing .30-06 round.
I stand very corrected!
I had recalled 276 Pederson but got my wires crossed.
30-06 .............universal round, even though I don't have one. It was the clear choice given the history of the round leading up to WWII
Shoulda been .300 H&H Magnum not some puny .270 cal.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Why not the 270 instead of the 30;06 you asked?
Jack O'Conner had not discovered it yet.
I reload for both and
Lots of people that brag on a 270 and do not even realize it's a 30:06 case necked down to 270. I reload and can make the 30;06 do every thing the 270 does, but not vice versa.
Oh My, Jack just raised up in his grave.
Remember these?
Yep. If you shot a box of them at a 100 yard target it'd look like you'd hit it with 12 gauge #4 buck from 20 yards. Danged inaccurate little buggers!
The only reason 270 is still made is Jack O'Connor was a writer for Outdoor Life and pushed it as the best thing since sliced bread. It isn't