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Wait a minute, there is a threat to voting rights.
SoreShoulder
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If we want to protect election integrity, then there has to be no cost assistance available at government offices for the illiterate to be able to get a state ID.
A way to guarantee the ID will be issued without checking for warrants or unpaid tickets also has to be agreed upon because it will only work if both parties agree it works.
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First, who is it that doesn't have an ID? Every person in the US that is legal has an ID. If you think otherwise, it is Bullshoot.
Second, get both parties to agree on anything? Yea, right! We only have one party now anyway......do you really see any Republicans giving any effort to stop what is going on? It's ridiculous!!
Third, why shouldn't they enforce the law? I have to follow them, most folks are supposed to. We're not supposed to be able to pick and choose which laws get enforced....
Just saying!!
The idea is to make it possible to verify every legal voter's identity without any hurdle to them voting.
Then nobody can claim voter suppression when laws are passed to prevent undocumented people from voting.
If they have warrants, and unpaid tickets, they are criminals and should not be voting anyway.
Not so. You need a felony conviction in most states.
I'll give ya unpaid tickets, but "warrants" in most cases could involve a felony even if the original crime was a misdemeanor... but regardless, they are accused of, or have broken one of more laws and they need to get right with society if they want to vote, Sorry "I can't vote because I broke the law and if I have to show ID they will find out", is pure BS! ID's are checked for every darn thing we buy that requires it and you can't tell me it is discrimination if a minority is refused to buy alcohol or cigarettes or wanting to cash a check because of no ID.
I dont think there are any states that prevent an individual from acquiring a state issued picture ID. Lived in a number of states over the years and all have provisions for a photo ID. If I am incorrect, let me know.
Most think of a DL as the only ID states issue and accept, but that think is wrong. There are thousand of people who do not drive and if they are serious about voting, then they can acquire a photo ID.
IMHO there is no excuse for not having a photo ID and no excuse for not registering to vote if eligible. All of the banter about disenfranchising minority's from voting due to the myriad of states creating election integrity laws is bull*.
Fact: The election integrity laws serve ONE purpose and that is to prevent cheating.
Mere fact DEMOCRATs and their sycophants in the media are so upset over these new laws is because they are the ones who have been caught cheating.
"IMHO there is no excuse for not having a photo ID and no excuse for not registering to vote if eligible. All of the banter about disenfranchising minority's from voting due to the myriad of states creating election integrity laws is bull*."
There is evidence of widespread illiteracy in some inner city areas. Maybe they're afraid it will be an embarrassing hurdle to obtaining ID.
Exactly! If they can't properly run their own lives why should they have a say about electing someone who will effect my life?.Bob
It's a perfect trap.
So long as Republicans think there's nothing to it, they won't do anything. Until they do something, the Democrats have a credible reason to claim voter suppression. People will buy it so long as their leaders know there's a grain of truth to it.
Simply publicizing what the issue is might make more people realize that there is very little to it and mostly affects people who could just get in gear and deal with their warrants or fines and bring a literate friend to help get an ID.
If people are afraid and illiterate relevant to voting, whose problem is it?
It is not the states problem, it is not the elections problem, and it is not a systemic problem.
My answer would be it is that persons problem. Thus voter suppression is a myth.
You say their is evidence of illiteracy in the inner city areas. I have to agree with you 100%. Inner city areas make up the DEMOCRAT voting base.
The point is many people believe the Democrats when they say there is voter suppression.
If they understood why their leaders say so, it might clear up a hurdle to protecting election integrity.
Why the hell should I care if illiterate people vote? There are way too many ignorant people voting already.
Brad Steele
Yep, Obama got elected twice.
And GWB got elected twice, and Trump got elected once and Biden almost got elected.
When is the last time the majority of voters have even read a Party Platform?
When is the last time the majority of voters have even read a candidate's position paper?
Competency tests were used in the past to discriminate against black voters, but for the love of all that is good, we let people vote for what arguably is a fairly important position absent any knowledge of our Constitution, our history, and even of the candidates for whom they vote.
It is a disgrace, and the push to ensure that everyone votes regardless of knowledge of anything is destroying (and this is being purposefully done) our system of representative governance.
Brad Steele
If everyone is treated exactly the same, there is no credible reason to claim voter suppression.
Voter apathy, perhaps.
Even voter ignorance.
Either way, it is in no one's interest to spend any money to bring these people into the voting booth, regardless of race, economic position, or shoe size.
Brad Steele
If you remove the hurdle to laws that prevent undocumented aliens from voting, you might be able to pass those laws without the other side claiming voter suppression.
Yes, which was my point. If one runs around accumulating warrants and unpaid tickets, they are a low rent individual and have no business voting for people/issues that effect the lives of good citizens.
The road to hell is paved with compromise, SoreShoulder. An uninformed and apathetic electorate can be manipulated into voting for perceived self-interest to the detriment of the country. There are no hurdles in any voter integrity bills that adversely impact any group that is motivated to being informed and motivated to make a personal effort to vote.
These are the people we want to vote. We do not want voters who refuse take any personal initiative that would place them in position to vote.
Lastly, I reject the notion that there are any hurdles to voter ID and registration placed in the path of any motivated voter, regardless of ethnicity, location or economic position. Defining that which is not a hurdle to be a hurdle does not make it one, and the proper response is to reject the definition, not accommodate it.
Brad Steele
Your point is exactly why we want to start the discussion.
The claimed suppression could be easily fixed, or many of the people who believe there is voter suppression might realize the claim is not very substantive.
There is no fix required. There no suppression. To bow to the false claim legitimizes it.
We will then spend money doing for people that which they can and should do for themselves. If they will not do it for themselves, they have no business voting.
Yes, it is worth having the discussion. The final statement should be 'If you won't get off your lazy * to get an ID and register to vote, we don't want you to vote.'
Brad Steele