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elec car charging
varian
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just heard on the news Louisiana has a whopping 8 charging ports per thousand cars, good luck with that. so lets turn off the gas, force elec cars on everyone and not build the infrastructure first. maybe they really dont want us driving anyway. isin't that one of the basics of a free society being able to freely move from place to place.
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How many gas stations were there when the car was invented? How many were there when Ford ramped up his production line?
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Perhaps there isn't a big push to build the charging stations because in a lot of places the grid doesn't have enough juice to power them all at once. Another cart before the horse government program. Seems like California has been the biggest pusher of electric vehicles and they already have brown outs. What will happen when a few hundred thousand cars plug in at once? Bob
Since most people were still using horses the infrastructure could tag along as needed as horses weren't prohibited. The same can happen swapping to electric cars but not if fuel burners are prohibited or adversely limited
I don't see that happening anywhere ever. Maybe long after I'm gone, but not before.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
I can't imagine how expensive the service would have to be to pay for all the infrastructure. It's not going to happen over night. Electric cars aren't a huge technology advancement like automobiles were. It's a sideways step at best. I just don't see demand for it happening. It will probably be like Laser Disc vs VHS which are both dinosaurs now.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
But but but, it’s for the environment.
GM has committed to around 50k stations coming real soon
It's cute that they think I'm going to spend 30 minutes of my time waiting for a car to charge every 250 miles when I'm on a road trip. No way am I going to make a 5 hour drive take 7 hours.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Most likely Vaccine stations will be set up near by... insert green font
Exact reason I am buying most likely the last high horsepower automobile. They won't be making many more
Just wait till someone gets electrocuted by their own car . If that F150 will light up a house , it will light them up also
or batteries start exploding and catching fire on the street or at a stoplight.........
My brother drove his Tesla in Feb. to lake charles la. about 900 miles. he can only go 250 miles on a full charge. Charging stations are 70 miles apart. He had to stop every 2 1/2 to 3 hrs to recharge. Recharge takes 45 min to an hour.
Brother wont be taking any more long trips in the Tesla. Now, I wired up a 220 charging station in his garage. He gets a full charge in 8 to 10 hours. For day trips around town that Tesla is a wonderful car. Fantastic acceleration and handling.
I thought back in the 80's we would build more nuclear power plants making energy plentiful and cheap. Then I thought electric vehicles would follow and we would would be driving electric vehicles for most of our daily needs. It didn't work that way as nuclear became the focus of the "save the planet" types.
Electric cars distance ability and charging stations are at the Model T stage. I’d be interested when they at least get to around the ‘57 Chevy Bel Air stage. But sadly these politicians are going to force us into them kicking and screaming. Sure you’ll still be able to own a gas rig but it will cost you a fortune to fill it up and register it. In a few States you will get to see Carbon tax bs.
Unless they put charging stations in Yellow Pine, Warn, Edwardsville Idaho I'm out.
Oh wait, those favorite towns don't even have electricity.
I guess I'm still out.
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Uh, the Moron's plan for infrastructure calls for building 500,000 EVC's, all over the country........and, at taxpayer expense.
Might as well buy an electric car & enjoy it; you will pay for it.
Neal
We'll be taking my wife's Highlander Hybrid on a 1,500-mile round trip this month. It'll go 300 miles of Rocky Mountain interstate driving on eight gallons of gas. My gas Highlander needs 13 gallons to drive that same itinerary. That's why we use the Hybrid for travel.
Unless and until all-electrics get a whole lot better for range, charge time, and reliability I think hybrids are the way to go. That's for pure highway driving mind you; I'm not addressing trucks, hauling, towing, or any other use. Those are different discussion areas.
I'm holding out for a Mr. Fusion kit to add to my car. Just pour in a gallon of water.
That's the problem, insufficient energy density in the fuel. So it takes time to transfer enough energy to the vehicle.
I tried a Tesla out in Tampa and the salesman said that the 80’000 dollar car came with a 150 foot electrical cord for 110 voltage so if in an emergency you could unplug a vending machine in a rest area and get a little charge to get you to the next exit. The little charge would let you drive 10 miles but would take you 2 hours to get it on 110 voltage.
I drive past Tesla’s almost daily limping along at 5mph trying to get to the next exit on the Florida turnpike to get off. The next exit is only 15 miles ahead but will take them 3 hours to get there.
It's always seemed to me to be such a blatant waste of Mother Earths natural resources............to make lesser forms of energy(BTU's)......by consuming GREATER amounts of natural resource BTU's.
It's like "they" think they can violate the First Law Of Thermodynamics.......AND get away with it!!!
But.....once again......money talks, and everything else....walks..............sigh!!
Just another $0.02...........
"Can you imagine a gas station that could only service 2-3 cars a day.
It's cute that they think I'm going to spend 30 minutes of my time waiting for a car to charge every 250 miles
He had to stop every 2 1/2 to 3 hrs to recharge. Recharge takes 45 min to an hour."
Three comments with significantly different charging times. I understand that each scenario is different BUT?
There's local convenience chain that has installed a coupe of credit card slot charging spots in the corner of their lot. Conveniently located a short walk from the 'golden arches' eatery. HMMM, the yupsters can swipe their card, plug in their buzzbox car, and head over to MickyD's for a snack (or 3) while waiting. Guess that's OK if you've got nothing better to do.
For my part, I'll stop every 350 miles, fill the gas tank, off load the previous cup of coffee, and refill the cup. Total time 10 minutes or less.
Remember "back in the day", when you had to go inside the station and pay the cashier - and probably pick up some extra "stuff" while you were in there? Now you just put your card in the machine, fill the tank, and get back on the road.
I wonder how much extra "stuff" you will buy while you are waiting (inside) for your car to charge? There probably won't even be a place for you to sit down (for free) while you are waiting.
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IT IS ALWAYS ABOUT THE MONEY . . . AND HOW TO GET MORE OF IT.
'Well I can see no liquor stores or bars within 1/2 mile of a charging station.
Can imagine numerous eating placing nearby, motels around the places and most likely women working the charging stations.
I can see the future: The standard design for electric cars will dictate the need for quick-change rechargeable batteries. You will drive into a service station & an unskilled attendant will loosen the bolts that hold the old battery pack onto the bottom of your car. He will replace it with a fully charged battery.
At home or work, you will be able to plug in your car & keep the same battery.
Neal
The local Olive Garden installed several charging stations in their parking lot. I have never seen a car parked there. The stations are close to the entrance, I think I'll get a short extension cord, park my F150 next to a charging station, "hook up", and go in to eat some pasta!
More likely, you'll park over a pit where a robot changes the battery pack. There will be a plug-in that engages first, so your vehicle will retain all its GPS data and internet connection. You will be billed automatically from vehicle ID. Battery packs will be standardized to no more than two or three sizes, for vehicle classes.
The alternative would be fully electrolized highways where each vehicle draws power, much like trains do. A MUCH more expensive option. Battery packs would be for driving on secondary roads, etc.
All these options will require greatly expanded power generation, either nuclear or space-based.
Why not a vehicle that produces no CO2, needs no charging station and refuels as fast as internal combustion vehicles?
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Nah, that would make to much sense. Bob
Years back before my last divorce I had shares of stock in several hydrogen cell companies. I thought the sector would grow before it has. In the divorce I had to make choices on what assets to keep and what to sell to settle things up. Property trumped stocks so I sold the stock. I still think hydrogen cell technology has a strong future.
Hydrogen suffers from two irrational fears: "the bomb" and the Hindenburg. People envision one or both catastrophes at the mere mention of the element. It may never overcome those fears.
I tend to agree with rocky, there will be some type of replaceable battery pack, 5-10 minute plug in swap at a battery shop, just pull in swap and go another 200-300 miles.......
And meanwhile folks drive around with full tanks of gasoline which has far more energy density and approx the same volatility. Go figure.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Not to mention airplane wings being full of fuel.
I don't understand why EV cars aren't covered with solar cells. Sure, there wouldn't be enough cells to power cruising the Interstates at 80mph, but they would provide a few percent of the power kinda like braking does. It would extend the range, and when you stop the car would sit in the parking lot taking on some charge.... a natural for an EV commuter. Plus, if you do get stranded with a discharged battery, stop for awhile while enough charge builds up to let you limp along another few miles.
It's not a bad idea for the car charging if you get stranded scenario, but generally speaking the added weight is going to be a net loss to power generated.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Some of the car's structure could be developed to contain solar cells but the cost involved would be prohibitive with little added benefit, Technology keeps on so who knows what will be fiscally possible in the future. I'm not an engineer and certainly do not work in that field. Like all things in this world there is no free lunch everything has a cost. In this case it's energy lost. Technology keeps looking for ways to add things that give a net energy gain.
Around the World on Solar Energy.
Relying on old facts here but I'm pretty sure static electricity is a big factor in the difference in danger between hydrogen and gasoline fuels.
There now are thin-film solar panels that can be bent or even folded, weight very little, and are more efficient than older types. There's still the problem of rock chip/hail damage, but if insurance can cover windshields, maybe that's not so big an issue.