Explain the math
BobJudy
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Just saw on the news that the govt will be removing the restrictions on summer use of E15 gas to help folks "save" money at the pump.
I have never used E15 gas but have had to buy E10 gas a few times and my mileage is about 10% less than it is with pure gas. Now they are going to push E15 as a way to save 10¢ a gallon. Will one of you math genius members explain to me how this won't end up costing a lot more because of having to buy more gas because of the mpg difference.
Currently if I buy 20 gallons of gas at 4$/gal and get 25mpg I'll have a 500 mile range for that tank of gas. If I buy 20 gallons of E10 for $3.90 I'll saving a whopping 2 bucks but only have a 450 mile range and I've to buy at least 2 more gallons, $7.80, to get back to my initial 500 mile range. It seems like that cheaper gas just cost me an extra $5.80 to go the same distance as regular gas. I have no idea how the mileage would be for E15 but I can guess it would be even worse than the E10. Classify me as confused. Bob
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You're overthinking it.
E15 gas will mean more gallons on the market which might depress the price a little which will make the masses happy. They only look at the price/gallon and $/tank full, not the $/mile. So more gas on market means lower prices and happy voters. End of problem🙄
3 out of every 2 gov't employees have math problems....
I also believe that E-15 is a lot harder on engine parts. Most gas powered equipment that I have ever bought warned against using that stuff.
The math is, you can’t use E15 gas in an engine that was only built to use E10 gas. They know this, or they should know. They will keep trying in every way to get you to replace your car or truck and buy electric.
Heard on Fox Business this morning that 1% on the gas stations use this 15% blend. As usually for Biden a lot of new about nothing.
Tried it once on my 2018 F150 . Once was enough for me . Stuff sucks big time ,poor mileage and power band suffered .
It's vote gathering by sugar pill math.
Shocked today at Lowes... girl cut me a piece of plexiglass and actually wrote down the dimensions 24-5/8 x 28- 1/2
So - you actually would like someone to make sense out of this for you.....
I believe they had Bernie Sanders do all the calculations.
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The cost difference between regular gas and the discounted gas with 10% ethanol is usually like 40-50 cents. I have never noticed much of a difference between ethanol and pure gas mileage wise but if you re run your math even 10% worse mileage saves you money.
Add 15% ethonal and you will RUIN all the older model vehicles. Seems like a push to FORCE people out of their older(PAID OFF) vehicles. I for one will NOT use the 15%, never even put the 10% in ANY small engines.
To each their own, but the wear and tear in older vehicles is an issue.
Even if it was fine, what the heck is 10 cents per gallon gonna do!?!? How bout bring Trump back and let's save $2.55 PER GALLON!
I have 2013 Denali, 6.2 engine. Runs like a raped ape. It is rated for all gasoline octanes, 93 is recommended, and includes E-85, I think.
I have never run E-85 but have run both 10% and non ethanol gasoline, mileage is the very best with non alcohol 93 octane. Say at least 15 to 20% better than the moonshine mix.
Politics in the mix, burn more fuel pay more tax. Burn more alky and grain prices go up, go figure.
I think the most important part of the equation is the additional gallons they will be able to collect tax on.
That stuff has been around a long time.
Sort of an interesting story about the ethanol gas below.
This photograph, from the MacDonald Studio of Lincoln and now in the collection of the Nebraska State Historical Society, shows cars belonging to Nebraska Governor Charles W. Bryan (left) and the Merrick County sheriff at the Earl Coryell station, Fourteenth and N streets, Lincoln, on April 11, 1933. Their tanks are being ceremonially filled with a new product: gasoline blended with 10 percent corn alcohol.
This innovative motor fuel was not promoted as a way to relieve oil shortages or mitigate environmental problems. Rather, ethanol promised economic relief for Depression-ravaged farmers and offered drivers increased octane ratings. Ethanol was an excellent anti-knock additive, and Coryell had worked with scientists from the Iowa State College of Agriculture and Mechanical Arts (now Iowa State University) to develop the alcohol-based gasoline.
Ethanol’s principal competitor was tetraethyl lead, a highly poisonous chemical that would remain the most common anti-knock agent for nearly fifty years. Advances by the Ethyl Corporation, created by Standard Oil, General Motors, and DuPont, allowed them to produce tetraethyl lead inexpensively, and therefore dominate the market.
In 1936 Coryell joined as a complainant in an antitrust lawsuit filed by the U.S. Justice Department, which ultimately failed in the U.S. Supreme Court. By 1940 ethanol gasoline had vanished, unable to compete economically with leaded gasoline.
—John Carter, Senior Research Folklorist
(This appeared in the Summer 2006 issue of Nebraska History. Photo credit: NSHS RG2183-1933-0411-1)
Why Dad used to throw moth balls in this diesel fuel tank during cold weather! Said it made starting easier?
Ethanol is really hard on rubber and plastic lines.
If E85 is the answer, why didn't they do it long before now?
Because it's not. The EPA usually prohibits it during the summer months because it pollutes more than regular gas.
Ole slippin Joe is doing everything he is told, trying to help the commies avoid a massacre come November.
IF you vehicle is made of ethanol, then it is safe for the vehicle. Still has less MPG, more, pollution, and cuts into our food crop.
IF you vehicle is NOT made for ethanol then 15% will wreak havock on you vehicle. Small engines more than others, because of all the small file lines inside the tanks, but it will kill a vehicle too!
Either way.......TEN MISERABLE CENTS PER GALLON HELPS NO ONE!! Just another example of, "look at me, I really care, see I am trying everything I can!" F em, vote em out!
It's called Biden calculus..............Biden calculus is, that he better do what he is told to do y his handlers...........his staff tell him about the differential and he says "Damn right......I made a difference"...........then they tell him about the integral and he says "Damn right I'm going to integrate all those new democrat voters and give them free phones too".
Remember, in todays world, math is not about getting the correct answer, it is about the students self esteem. If you think 2+2= 6 1/2 you are correct!! 🤐😲🤔
You are all over that "common core"😁
2+2=3 for very large values of 3, and very small values of 2.
I bet their math doesn't take into account all the gasoline and diesel fuel needed to fertilize the land, grow the corn, ship it, make the alcohol, ship it, blend it with gasoline.
Why would "their" math need to?
The seed company made money, the farmer made money, the Ethanol plant made money, the gas company still made money even with Ethanol, the gas station made money, and the government extorted their 43 cents a gallon. Tons of jobs and money were developed through the process.
Here's the important part:
And 10% Ethanol is still 50 cents per gallon cheaper than buying pure gas. If you don't like Ethanol you don't have to buy it, just buy the pure gas which is regular price. The thing people fail to realize is Ethanol gas is discounted to make up for the drawbacks(shouldn't use it in vehicles made in like 1995 and before, small engines don't like it such as lawnmowers and such, and you may get a reduction in mileage although if you figure the price difference it evens out). Pure gas isn't higher because of Ethanol, it's the opposite, Ethanol is cheaper priced pure gas. Check the price difference next time you're at the pump.
You will soon have NO choice IF the Dems keep getting their way.
Take a second and think about it. People are starving all over the world and we are turning food into fuel..........That is hard to get your head around.
Another thing to think about all these idiots want to ban all oil drilling and production, have they thought about the plastic stuff they use every day like their stupid water bottles or the dashboard of their Tesla. What are we going to make water bottles out of? Wood on no you cannot cut down trees, metal how are you going to melt it without either coal or oil how about rock no way digging up rock requires oil.
These green loonys would be the 1st group impacted by no more oil. They have no clue what they are asking for. I doubt you can even make a wind turbine or a solar panel with oil.
Don't try to reason with them, it will just make your head ache.😒
"Take a second and think about it. People are starving all over the world and we are turning food into fuel..........That is hard to get your head around."
Sam06, you may have been in places that would appreciate having common field corn for food but it's going to take a lot of 'persuasion' to encourage Americans to belly up to ground corn gruel for supper.
Aside from the fact that it is creating an alternate/lesser(BTU wise) form of energy, and trying to convince the citizenry that it's a great idea................basically.......at its very core......it is a MONEY GRAB by virtually everyone involved.
More $0.02........
"Take a second and think about it. People are starving all over the world and we are turning food into fuel..........That is hard to get your head around."
We need fuel. They need food. (We do too, but evidently that is not an issue.) We can make fuel from food. Apparently they can't make food from anything. We are supposed to feed them? Can we trade our food/fuel for their - whatever they have to trade?
You are right. This is hard to get your head around.
I don't think we are supposed to feed "them" but to use food to fuel a vehicle when there is an abundence of oil is insane IMO.
I would still like to hear one of the "Greenies" explain where they think the tremendous amounts of electricity to power electric cars will come from if everyone switches over.
And how they are going to subsidize the purchase of $40,000 electric cars for everyone?
I live in Iowa and was raised on a farm. I left the farm for the Army and came home 25 years later. I don't farm. I just "retire".
I can drive down any road in the Summer and see many thousands of acres of corn fields. We don't have any oil fields in my area. The federal government does not control the amount of corn a farmer can raise (unless he is participating in some type of "conservation program" - for that when you take Caesar's coin you must follow Caesar's rules).
The federal government has a kabillion rules concerning oil fields and refineries - I suppose. I can look out my office window and see an ethanol plant. The last I heard they are receiving over 100 semi-trailer loads per day - in fact right now. Hint: It is NOT harvest season right now in Southwest Iowa. That is a whole bunch of corn. We have enough corn. During harvest season, they actually dump the corn on the ground due to a lack of storage.
I prefer to run non-ethanol fuel in my 1945 Jeep. Otherwise I will run whatever I can get - especially if it has fewer restrictions from the federal government - and helps the neighborhood farmers.
The simplest solution in this case is.
DRILL, DRILL, DRILL. There is over 500 years of fuel in this country alone, over 1000 years of clean (low sulfur) coal. I took many of coal trains to a coal fired power plant, that utilized scrubbers, they removed more sulfur by use of lime some how in this scrubber.
It is impossible to power this country alone on wind turbines and solar panels, and the idea of all electric transportation is a pipe dream. Gasoline using up to 10% ethanol is doable, but anything over 10% is a waste of time and not economical.