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HVAC equip. question
asop
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As I understand it Carrier and Bryant use the same components. What uses the same components as American Standard? Thanks
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Trane
Not sure why your asking, but if your planning to replace a system......I suggest Goodman. They have good units and one of the best warranties. If you wanna forgo the 10 year parts warranty, then you can even buy and install yourself(i think that drops the warranty to 5 years)
Trane, carrier, etc. refuse to sell to the public, thats how they keep their prices SO high.
Dont get me wrong, Trane is a good unit BUT not 2 or 3 times the cost good!
Pretty sure American Standard does.
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Carrier sells under other names and can be purchased wholesale. BTW most of the compressors are the same
It's all Goodman.
In that case, you “better call Saul” (Saul Goodman that is).
My buddy and I use Goodman almost exclusively. Trane is not what it once was.
Goodman on all rentals and our home.
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Last time our furnace AC acted up .
A local guy that does such work great fellow . he told me trane refused to sell any parts to him because he had not been certified by them
with ony a few units in the area it was not worth the cost and time for him to play games to get in there program
He uses goodman products said parts are easy to get and everyone seems to have Good luck with them
so we had him change it all out to Goodman that was at least 7 years ago no problems so far
speaking of repairs a coworker of my wife's told her toady there ac stopped working I have no idea of the problem but they told him 350.00 for parts and about 300.00 labor yikes..
My youngest son's also had problems but a family member has a buddy who is getting his business up and going both are certified he charged him 100.00 but my son gave him 150.00 the transformer had shorted out and some wiring outside was bad caused the problem
My son told him you just drove 30 miles one way in a work van gas had to eat up your profit and its worth it to me for your efforts and getting me cooled down lol
At $100/hr + for labor and parts hard to come by........plus the cost of R22 and R410A...........you are lucky to get away for less than $1000.
Evap coils are running around $1400 now...............even Goodman.
The Energy crisis is going to push HVAC ducting out of the attic here in the USA and Having a furnace with central heating. Minis split systems with heat pumps will become the norm in the south when Electrical rates surge to 20-30 cents a kilowatt.I have seen seer ratings up to 36 on small mini splits already.
serf
https://www.pickhvac.com/mini-split/highest-seer/
The highest SEER mini split is a Carrier 42 SEER mini split. It uses technology developed by Midea’s Toshiba brand.
If there was only a way to use my free natural gas for air-conditioning I would be all set. Having free heat, cooking gas, dryer and hot water is a blessing. Plus my backup gen set runs on natural gas or propane.
They don't make Those steam generated absorbers small enough do they?
serf
Absorption Chiller Steam Type
https://www.lg.com/global/business/absorption-chiller-steam-type
I am a big fan of mini-splits. I've got a Mitsubishi unit that I use in my server room. I think it is inverter driven if I remember right. I needed it where it would cool no matter the temperature outside because it cools my hot computer systems. My 8x14' server room has a 2.5 ton unit. The rest of my ~2,500 house has a 3.5 ton unit. LOL. Shows how much heat those buggers can put out in that little room.
If we ever replace our home AC, I might go with one of those ductless multi-zone mini-splits.
I've got an uncle that is one of the life long tin foil hat wearers and does everything for the sake of "cuz the guv'mnt dont wont me two". He uses propane for his refrigerant in his car and home. While I know it is efficient. It is not used for this little property of being flammable. He also has a home made welder with a bunch of car alternators modified, and those same things ran a different way is a generator. He has some type of gas line going across his property and he uses it to heat his house. The problem is, that it is not a well and he has no mineral rights of any kind. A former friend of mine does oil and natural gas industry inspections and he said it is a feed pipe and that is an inspection and blow off port (I think that is what he said, it's been ~15 years) and that it was dangerous to the workers and to him for plugging the blow off function as well as tapping into it. Not to mention illegal...
carrier and bryant are the 'same' company and use common parts. Goodman 'used' to be the bottom of the barrel, quality wise. Training is VERY important with the newer systems, I'm glad some companies limit who they will sell to. It ain't 'plug & play' anymore.
Im NOT glad companies limit who they sell to. The only purpose that serves is to keep their prices high.
"The only purpose that serves is to keep their prices high."................no. it keeps idiots from doing improper instalations. I was a Bryant dealer before retiring and have seen many dangerous installs, both to people and equipment.
People are still FREE to do what they want with thier own money and equipment. By your logic, no one should be able to sell cars if they arent a "certified" dealer. If they wanna waste a bunch of $ by tearing up some equipment, then thats on them.
They do it to keep their prices high. Thats my opinion.
I think you both have good point.While it does keep prices high,it also insures you that the installer has been trained and knows what he is doing.On the other hand if you have an installer that knows and does what he should do you will be fine with a Goodman or other brands usually at a better price than Trane.One of the guys I worked with did residential work part time.He is a good honest guy.One of my family members needed a new unit. He quoted $4000. Instead they used a HVAC company one of the neighbors worked for.They charged $7500. and when winter came the heat would not work.After several attempts to contact the installer and got no response,another company was called.They found the gas had not been connected and the hardware for the gas connection was still in a plastic bag taped to the side of the unit.
What you need is a "criminal" lawyer not a criminal lawyer !
I have installed more than a few mini splits and can vouch for them. As a matter of fact, I will be doing one tomorrow after I get off my regular job.
sounds like your gonna have a side splitting time........
I installed a lot if mini splits. Very seldom had any service calls on them. I got out the game before they were real old tho, maybe 10yrs. But 10 yrs with no issues is pretty dang good.
They are nice, but a lot of work to install in an entire house.
More units = more time = more money sir...............I don't complain about the installs.
LOL. I meant I would be hesitant to install all mini splits in my own home.(Im lazy the older and more back pains I get).
More money is always better.....as long as your on the receiving end!
The only draw backs on mini splits is having evaporator coils placed out in your home that will require maintenance and plumbing drainage. You could have up to four of them but that will not cover all rooms with close doors on a three bedroom house.You could add wall pass through fans but that is more work and you have less privacy. Humidly could be controlled but not temps in all areas. There is no return air.
But the electrical savings can be substantial with a payback for install with all the parts in 5 years.
serf
https://homeinspectioninsider.com/multi-zone-mini-split/
Multi-zone mini-splits are better than central air systems in many ways. Central air units require ductwork that runs through an unconditioned space like an attic, basement, or crawl space. It is estimated that a central air conditioning system can have 30% or more energy loss from air leakage through the air ducts.