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Been doin some cipherin. Can someone verify?
Don McManus
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The US uses roughly 400 million gallons of gasoline and 122 million gallons of #2 diesel every day.
If I done figgered this correctly, that translates into 13.6 billion kWH for gas and 4.6 kWH for diesel per day.
Right now we generate roughly 10.4 billion kWH of electrical power.
Our transportation secretary suggests we should transition to all electric vehicles by 2050.
To do so, would mean we have to triple our electrical generating capacity in less than 3 decades.
I really do not see this ending well.
Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.
Brad Steele
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I'm starting to get the feeling that they don't want it to end well.
The so called leader released more oil for Dec from the reserves... Said Quote... When oil goes to 70 dollars a barrel we will replenish the oil reserves.
S-F, I can only think joe has O.D. on ice cream.
I had a thread like this just a while ago. I figure 20-50 small nuke plants across the nation should work out pretty well. Some areas near cesspool cities like Chicago, New York and LA may need two small-medium nukes for just their electric needs in transportation.
You hit the nail on the head.......people ARE really stupid!
Sure if all 50 states went all electric vehicle you'll also get the power company putting out ads stating not to use electricity during the hours of 1600 to 2100. This is just one state with a very small amount of ev cars.
Power companies are still having a hard time operating during hot summer months with just the added use of air conditioning. If more EV's come into the picture, there will be black outs all over.
The lefties in charge haven't got a clue about how things really work. They just skip all the planning processes and expect to go directly to the finish line. Pretty sure their playbook comes right out of the Monopoly board game!
Your number are factual and well known among the informed: Informed being the ones who dont believe DEMOCRATs and their apparatchiks in the media and academia. It is all about intentions rather than truth.
However, there is money to be made by big tech corps who control the DEMOCRAT party, so dont expect these figures to be reported.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Failure is their plan. If you were purposefully trying to destroy America, what would you do differently?
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
They are doing a great job turning it in to socialism
Who makes these suggestions for Biden because everyone knows his pencil isn't sharp enough to do it.
I know of one 40(ish) year old nuke plant that is going to have to close because it can't even be retro-fitted to meet current standards. It took something like 3-4 years to build the first time and the replacement hasn't even begun so how's that working out?
It never as simple as we think but you appear to not have considered the terribly poor efficiency of the IC engine which may be only 25% while the electric motor is about 90%.
That sounds good John, but it is the CHARGING PROCCESS, along with the production of and disposal of batteries for EV's that puts the efficiency well below that percentage.
A valid point. Modern gasoline engines deliver 20 to 30 percent of the potential energy to the wheels. This compares to the 90%.
The balance of the roughly 50% thermal efficiency is lost through other drains on the engines. Couldn’t find a direct comparison for EV’s, but from the 90% we will need to deduct powering the electronics, lighting, heat and A/C, etc, which will bring the 90% down by at least 20-30 points, depending upon weather, daylight, etc., just as with gasoline.
Heating the vehicle is the big one, of course, as a gas engines can tap into a waste product, where the EV has to directly drain the battery for heat.
The basic point that we will have to triple our generating capacity, however, remains valid, although you are correct to point out that it is not a direct calculation, and may be a little less.
Brad Steele
That brings up something I wonder about, Don. Many of the rated range for EV's are pretty impressive but in the real world, what are the ranges when it's 90+ degrees out and you need the A/C or 10 degrees and you need heat? I've never seen those numbers and none of my friends are rich enough to spend $60-100K for something that good just to run errands. I did see a video of a guy with a new Ford truck pulling a trailer w/ a model A. The range was laughable (except for the guy who bought one).
The green revolution put the cart before the horse. We need the power generation first, then the eventual slow switch to the efficiency of electric motor propulsion. Wind will work some except for the disposal of old turbine blades. Solar is noce but it does have huge environmental impacts and the waste is very nasty. Mining the stuff needed to make solar is energy intensive and leaves toxic stuff behind.
Then we need to look at the electric motor, it uses a lot of copper, copper is already in shirt supply. Aside from all the issues of batteries, fires and what not it is just being jammed down our throats for no good reason.
If the greenies would agree to allow 40-50 nuke plants to be constructed I might, if given enough information, agree with a small part of their agenda. Until then, I like diesel, gasoline, natural gas and hope for hydrogen in the near future to power our transportation needs in a cost effective manner.
to me the bottom line would be cost per mile, gas, or electric and I don't remember ever seeing that statistic, then miles per tank/charge......
Not to mention the cost difference between the vehicle types.
A $20,000 to $40,000 savings sure would buy a bunch of gasoline. 😉
About 5 gallons at today's prices.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
I wanted to give that comment an LOL but dammit, it ain't funny anymore!
I don't make the facts, I just report them.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
@Don McManus I was wondering if you could recalculate. Out POTUS just announced he intends to shut down coal production plants. I think that means more nuclear plants would be needed but I don't know how many.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain