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so ten to forty million new felon's in 120 days

Ditch-RunnerDitch-Runner Member Posts: 25,228 ✭✭✭✭
edited January 2023 in General Discussion

hope they add some more jail space

got to love the ATF

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  • redneckandyredneckandy Member Posts: 9,713 ✭✭✭✭

    You talk like they can't even handle the half million NFA items that they already try to process annually. Or that anyone will submit these to be registered.

    I wonder if their count includes all the Chinese copies of the braces sold online everywhere.

  • mike55mike55 Member Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭✭

    Boating accidents will go up1,000 fold! 😁

  • jimdeerejimdeere Member, Moderator Posts: 26,155 ******
  • montanajoemontanajoe Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 59,956 ******

    Taxpayer funded govt. craziness

  • Ditch-RunnerDitch-Runner Member Posts: 25,228 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2023

    I hope the congress and or the SCOTUS does the right thing

    And slaps the ATF so hard it makes ther brainless heads spin

    The ATF making there on laws and going against our rights and the law of the land way over reaching

    I read 141 congress members i think was the number have already signed on To block it

    And I am sure more than a few lawsuits will be filed

  • Ricci.WrightRicci.Wright Member Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭✭

    There is one here that I guess I will take apart. I built the silly thing and then asked myself what was I going to do with a ten inch .223?? Besides go completely deaf. I have never fired it, so I have a new receiver.

  • Ditch-RunnerDitch-Runner Member Posts: 25,228 ✭✭✭✭

    Just change the barrel if it comes down to the wire

    A few of the internet gun lawyers and pod casters have said if you decide to register one as long as the paper work is submitted your good to go

    And also said no way their going to do anything for at least 60 days see how the congress and law suits come out

    Then decide if they want to register theirs

  • mike55mike55 Member Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭✭

    Just remove the brace and keep it stored. I could be wrong BUT they did not outlaw the brace.......just the brace on the short barrel pistols. If so, why are they telling people to register or destroy them?? Just more scare tactics.

    FJB and the rest of the alphabet soups!

  • mike55mike55 Member Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭✭

    This isnt a law.....its govt overreach by the ATF!

  • hoosierhoosier Member Posts: 1,594 ✭✭✭✭

    So I have to take the SB Tactical SBA3 off and Put the SB Mini in its place. Reading the Ruling that makes it legal.

    A few if the Rulings

    120 oz or less ( with out accessories)

    26 inches or less

    6.5 pistol buffer tube. Can not have a tube that has the adjustment hole for stock / brace.

    Length of pull no more than 12"

    Scope or Sight capable of being used as a pistol ??

    https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/docs/undefined/factoringcriteriaforfirearmswithattachedstabilizingbracespdf/download

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  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,381 ******
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • mike55mike55 Member Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭✭

    Dang it man.....you gotta be more careful! Make sure to wear a life jacket. 😁

  • Ditch-RunnerDitch-Runner Member Posts: 25,228 ✭✭✭✭

    my guess if it passes and makes it thru all the law suits and fighting there will be a few unlucky souls caught and made examples out of to scare the rest of us

    I am still waiting on my check for replacement and stress I had to endure for the bump stock they declared illegal and had to dispose of using a hammer and now a couple years later the courts just in finally and say there legal to own

    go figure

  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,381 ******
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,381 ******
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • montanajoemontanajoe Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 59,956 ******

    I hate computers with gun rules

  • mike55mike55 Member Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭✭
  • Ditch-RunnerDitch-Runner Member Posts: 25,228 ✭✭✭✭

    I know they all ready declared their rule but in 120 days to congorm

    with any honest politicians who truly support the connsitution and good lawyers and a ton of crap luck it will get shut down before the 120 time frame is up

  • AdamsQuailHunterAdamsQuailHunter Member Posts: 2,022 ✭✭✭✭

    Here is a Youtube video you might like to see:

    Best Regards - AQH

  • Butchdog2Butchdog2 Member Posts: 3,834 ✭✭✭✭

    Got my email notice from the ATF about their web class for virtual learning about the new regulations.

    Jan 31 and Feb 1.

  • montanajoemontanajoe Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 59,956 ******
  • jimdeerejimdeere Member, Moderator Posts: 26,155 ******
    edited January 2023

    Bureaucracts gotta Bureaucract. Therein lies the problem.

  • tsavo303tsavo303 Member Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭

    No reason to get a new reciever. Remove brace or install longer barrel

  • Ditch-RunnerDitch-Runner Member Posts: 25,228 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2023

    a GOA laywer tonight pointed out rule 88 ?

    he said after 88 days if your form has not been approved its automatically denied and no way could the ATF process 40 million sets of paper work in such a short time so he said they did not know who he was he just aproched as a laywer representing a client he ask a BATF agent and got a deer int he head light look he ask to speak to some up the pay scale that agent after taliking said well yes if denied then you could to be prosecuted for having a SBR

    normal you have to file get the ok then buy the gun but now millions have the gun already and filing paper work so in th eeyes of the BATF your already a felon

    he pointed out all the people who may or will sent their address photos finger prints pictures of the gun all the info need to prosecute some on could be charged the agent said well yes .

    he pointed out it to the viewers he could not say dont register or send your info but think about what they just said

    and that even the BATF did not think the entire rule thru , and all the implications they were just bending over for biden

    I will see If I can find the interview, I was not paying that much attention to which youtuber had it posted I was just watching youtube and letting it just auto piolt thru the gun pod cast and it caught my attention.

    its truly a 300+ plus page mess even the lawyers are struggling with and most admit they can not even tell the people what they need to do

  • Ditch-RunnerDitch-Runner Member Posts: 25,228 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2023

    Ok I found the pod cast I from part of my earlier post about the GOA and ATF




    50,704 views Jan 19, 2023

    ALERT! ATF Deputy Director tells GOA: "Pistol Brace" NICS auto-denial triggers ATF "enforcement"... In this video, we dive into a conversation that the Deputy Director of the ATF just had with GOA attorneys... The ATF director has stated that if the 88 day auto denial kicks in, the pistols or "new SBR's" will be subject to "enforcement"... This is not what I like to see and I'll keep you updated as we move forward!


    this is his youtube channel  "Langley Outdoors Academy"

  • drobsdrobs Member Posts: 22,620 ✭✭✭✭

    I ordered some 5.5 inch flash hiders that I will have pin and welded on my 2 10.5 pistols.

    I have 14.5 inch bushmaster upper that I will pin and weld my 2.7inch Dead Nomad Keymo suppressor mount to.

    That will take care of the AR pistols.

    Also have CZ Scorpion and an AK pistol, that I'm not sure what to do with. Both would suck as pistols and look stupid with 16 inch barrels. I might just sell them as pistols.

  • Ditch-RunnerDitch-Runner Member Posts: 25,228 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2023

    Over night more bad news about the rule buried in it is a couple sentences

    Any firearm imported as a pistol and a brace was added too or added on here

    Have to be turned in or destroyed you can not modifie in any way to be legal to keep

    From the ATF words In the rules

    They companys and gun guys are saying. A couple hundred thousand this effects

    I don't know all the models but the Draco and many more similar will be a felon to own

    Also a lot of people do not understand once a gun is registered as as nsa item countless laws and rules follow some states you not allowed to have period no one but you can have access to it except one in a trust

    You have to get permission to take it across state lines

    oh you can not use it as a self defense whepon if you shoot some one with ityou will suffer the wrath of big brother On your butt

    When you sell it the new owner has to file for the paperwork and of course pay the tax stamp

    Why to go brandon

  • drobsdrobs Member Posts: 22,620 ✭✭✭✭

    Funny thing there is the the ATF approved the importation and braces on those pistols, originally.

  • Ditch-RunnerDitch-Runner Member Posts: 25,228 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2023

    Part of why so many people are well just say mad

    Let's hope at least one of lawsuits shuts ot down and fast not two years after the fact like the bump stocks

    I watched a interview with the fellow who started the brace flood sorry my mind has slipped on the name of the company SB tactical maybe ? but he was talking how the ATF keep changing the rules evey time the politicians make a push

    How he came up with and developed it after going to the gun range and seeing vets struggling trying to shoot. then went on and worked with the BATF and gun company's to get it going all was good for years and of course millions have been made and imported and in private hands

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