another gun question.......
hillbille
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for you folks who shoot semi-auto shotguns. I have only had one a 16ga winchester model140 years ago, and it ate everything I fed it. But I never shot it from a rest on a bench. I was shooting the new mossberg I got yesterday from a sitting position on the bench, trying to pattern it with the different chokes. at least one out of 3 would either not eject or stovepipe. I shot about 1/2 a box of what was left once I was done pattering it. and only had one stovepipe on the next to last shot. My question I have allways heard about limpwristing a semi-auto pistol and getting jams, my question is can you " limp shoulder" a semi-auto shotgun. I know the bench shots I didn't have it as tight in my shoulder,as when I stood and shot the rest of the box later.............
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Yes, some semi auto shotguns need to be firmly held to the shoulder to cycle properly. Holding it loosely allows the action to move back almost as fast as the bolt and the bolt never opens completely before it runs out of energy and starts to return to the closed position. The stove piping can be from the ejector not being fully engaged by the bolt with it's slower abbreviated stroke. Sometimes this problem is lessened after a break in period because the action becomes smoother and there is less friction to slow the bolt allowing it to move a little faster and somewhat negate the holding it loose problem. Bob
Yes, you can limp shoulder a shotgun. Try it again and hold it sturdy. Were you shooting 2 3/4 or 3 inch shells? If you hold it tight and still have ftf or fte, then maybe try diff shells. Most likely that you were holding it too soft.
Interesting! Thats a new one on me. I never had a problem, shoot Remington and Browning.
News to me. Never had any cycling problems with my 11-87. I was wondering initially if there was something about the rest that was interfering with the some of the moving parts.
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New Mossberg, what model??? Mossy need to be shot to "wear in"
As above, break it in. I can shoot with no shoulder 1100 and Super X- with no issues. (done it) good ammo-Guess it depends.
international field SA28. and when I stood and shouldered about 1/2 a box I didn't have any trouble like shooting from the bench. Thanks guys I kinda figured that but my old wincheser I could have shot from the hip with no trouble. this is only about the 3rd box of shells through it......
Now I gotta purposely try to limp shoulder the auto shotgun
Now that I done got old I went to a Beretta semi-auto. I still try to pump the darn thing sometimes, after shooting super-posed for years.
I'm just the opposite. After mainly shooting over and unders for the last 30+ years, the guys on the skeet/clays course know to yell PUMP after my first shot with a model 12 or I'll forget!😁 Bob
Recoiling barrel actions (such as Rem/Browning) and inertia operated guns like Benelli exhibit this more frequently than gas operated guns. Along with not shouldering them properly, these same guns can also be affected by adding weight to them. I see this some when people start "tacti-cooling" inertia guns and put lights, fore-end grips, lasers, optics, extended mags, etc. and that changes the weight, which changes the guns recoil, which changes how much energy the inertia system gets.
I can take one of my Benelli Super Black Eagles and put a couple rounds in. If I hold it down at my waist and pull the trigger, the gun will fire and eject the empty. However, there isn't enough energy for the bolt to go far enough back (for the 3.5" chamber) to hit the mag release to get the next shell, so it closes on an empty chamber.
I don't know if Mossberg uses anything other than gas operated, but thought I'd mention it.
Personal note. I absolutely LOVE the inertia action and have never had issues when it is used how it is designed to. But, for those that fall into the accessory crowd, the gas-operated M4 is a better fit. I have owned a lot of semi-auto shotguns over the years. Now, with the exception of a Rem. 1100LW in .410, all the rest of mine are Benelli's. I do have a pair of the M4's which are gas-operated. I have a pair of the M3T's which are folding stock selectable semi-automatic/pump. The rest are M1, M2, Ethos, Super Black Eagle's, etc. Admittedly, some of the new Beretta gas guns that are 3.5" capable do tame the recoil better than the SBE's, I won't be changing.