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Looks like they won.
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Translation: expect shipping prices to go up significantly.
Exactly what it means, ^^^^^^^
My son is a UPS driver.I think they are about 43 an hour now.Most of those guys started part time at starvation wages.If they worked hard,raises came pretty quick.It takes several years to get full time to top pay.Most of those guys make between 90 to 150 thousand a year depending how many hours you are willing to put in. With no cost health insurance it makes a pretty good job for a blue collar worker with a high school diploma. I think this new contract raises starting pay to about 20 an hour.
WOW! Maybe I should apply! That's an insane pay! Seems everyone is getting a raise, well except me!
The Union will fight to get you whatever you want. Thing is they can't stop the employer from throwing in the towel and quitting their business. This leaves the employee in the unemployment line instead of the picket line. The Teamsters will never admit how many trucking companies they put out of business to "benefit" the employees.
And the lies will continue, telling their union members that if they don’t vote democrat they will loose everything.
And here is another great line they use. After all the hard work we have done unfortunately are forced to have to raise the union dues.
like all other unions. Union officials first, politics second, union members third. In that order.
I was never in a labor union.I am in the south and we were always told how evil the unions were and if you even spoke the word union you would be fired and banished from ever finding employment anywhere.The only unions I know of around here are UPS and elevator mechanics.There may be exceptions but all the union jobs around here,the guys work very hard and long hours and are paid well.None of the ones I know are democrats are as conservative as anyone here. Most of the stuff I heard about the evil unions from employers and talk radio are not true in this area.When my son had worked at UPS for 5 years,he was making more than I was making for working 50 years.I am sure you guys in union states may have had bad experiences with labor unions,but it has been a good thing for my son.
Smart unions go for benefits for their members, more than just more money.
Unions, for the most part, are useless and do way more harm than good. They 100% look out for the union 1st, their democrat politicians 2nd, their agenda 3rd, and their workers 4th! They protect the workers that SHOULD be fired! I have never, and will never, join or support a union.
Like everything else, they were needed when they first came about. They did some great things for the workers. BUT now they are corrupted by the power and money just like every other powerful group or person! Took something good and corrupted it!
Mike55 pretty much summed it up perfectly. I was in a union for 42 years, not by chose, I lived in a state that was not a Right to work state. That in it self shows how a union can corrupt politicians to pass laws that will benefit the unions and not the individual worker them selves.
Anymore company’s are more than willing to pay higher wages for a qualified person that can perform a job. Unions do not equate to quality work, on the contrary it is counter productive in some cases by not allowing a company to remove an individual that isn’t qualified and in some cases dangerous to him self and his co- workers.
Spot on. Unions like everything else, can be good or bad. All could stand some improvement, and some just need junked out. Yes, the leadership is top heavy with fat, just like any group. Keep in mind that if any of you belong to the NRA, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America, Firearms Policy Coalition,etc, well those are "unions". Also I have seen very few of these lazy union workers all you people harp about out on jobs. Most of the union haters have zero experience with unions, and just spout out stuff somebody else told them. HPD retired IUOE Local 302.
Yep.
Four years ago I was driving over the road in the big rig. Gone from home 15 days in a row, two days off $65,000 a year. Non union and in my company, the word was if you were heard saying the word "Teamsters" one time you would be fired on the spot.
In that year, UPS drivers were driving 5 days over the road, and home for 2. Pay was $105,000 a year. I was figuratively doing twice the work for half the pay.
I agree that unions in most areas are way out of line but we need unions in the trucking industry. My company abused us drivers badly
Look at Caterpillar.....
When I was a kid, they were based in Illinois, mostly in the Peoria area. The UAW slowly but surely killed off the jobs in the 80s and 90s... Cat moved the main headquarters out of Illinois recently. 35K plus jobs were moved out of Peoria to other parts of the country. There were several large feeder companies with contracts to supply CAT with different parts and services. Most of them went under or moved out when CAT left.
Currently most of the US plants are non union and in places were starting pay of $21.00 is a good hourly rate and affords a decent standard of living.
Having been a union member in the past and 30 plus years in management, the union looks out of itself first and promises the World. The only layoffs I ever watched occurred when the Union demanded too much and people had to be let go due to costs.......
I don’t know what the right answer is By and large, I think unions are obsolete. Unfortunately, I think with trucking specifically will become a zero sum game.
The trucking industry will go autonomous driven by the human capital cost. Might be 10-20 years out, but it will come faster than many anticipate.
I worked for the NS railway for 40 years as a track foreman, under this latest contract the rate of pay will be 37.58 an hour, 5 weeks of vacation, 11 paid holidays,4 sick days and 3 personal days with good health insurance. Also time and a half OT with any hours worked after being on duty for 8 hours and anything outside of a normal work day. one of the best things was your seniority, it enabled you to work OT when available if you wanted and also to apply and get different jobs if you desired, you would still need to be able to do these jobs but you would be first in line for them, no picks from supervisors because of favorites. Traveling rail gangs, tie gangs etc, now get 63 cents a mile for traveling to work, 55 dollars a day for meals and a paid motel. When I started I often traveled 400-800 miles round trip each week and received nothing in travel reimbursement and all we had was a green camp car ( box car with bunk beds in it) with no AC to stay in, miserable in the summer time . Union negotiations got all this changed. Also the unions were able to negotiate and get 30 years service and full retirement benefits at age 60 with zero cost health coverage from age 60 to 65. None of this would ever have been possible without a union. The union was good for me.
And all the while the unions poured billions into liberal politics.
But you’re OK with that, right?
I am definitely Ok with all the afore mentioned benefits that I received due to my union affiliation which definitely would not have been afforded to me if I were not a member of the BMWE and also no part of my paid union dues could go to a political candidate, contributions had to be voluntary. Every one makes choices in life and often the choices we make are give and take and although I don't agree with everything, especially social issues, my priority was to provide for my family and support them the best I could. Being a BMWE member provided me with that
If every union in the US went away today the entire world would be a better place.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Back in the 1960s I was a union carpenter, a contractor let me go without paying me.
The next day I went to the union office and told my story, while on the phone with the contractor the union business agent threatened to shut down every job the contractor had if I wasn't paid immediately. Contractor backed down and cut me a check.
In the 1990s the deputy sheriffs went on strike after working for 2 years without a contract.
In a few days the county settled with the deputy sheriffs after trying to serve each one with a court order to go back to work. Most went to Arizona (the could not serve their mini cort order out of state), I just stayed home and did not answer the door. Within a month the state made a law prohibiting strikes by law enforcement, but also prohibiting counties from not having a contract with employees.
Margaret Thatcher
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
Mark Twain
Certainly for some anyway.
Nope, I'm not ok with that.
Is there any way to verify how much money the unions donate to whom?Most of what I was told came from ultra right talk radio and they were always anti union.
I worked on the railroad myself for 42 years, retired from BNSF. I was in the UTU. It was an option to retire at age 60, if you chose to retire at 60 you had to pay tax on your retirement money until age 62, this is money you already had payed tax on already. It was president Bush that signed it. As far as not paying for health insurance from age 60 to 65 I’m pretty sure you payed for it like everyone else. I was paying $200 a mouth to keep my insurance, I did know a couple people that opted not to keep it and relied on veterans insurance.
It was always the same when contracts can up. The company would offer this and that to employees, and the union would ask for something else. So then we would work 2 or 3 years on the old contract, and when settled we would end up with what the company offered in the first place.
As far as giving money to the democrat party, they do. Remember a big portion of your dues was kicked up to the AFL- CIO.
One thing I learned about the unions, they are kind of like the Biden administration, they will lie where the truth fits better.
My opinion, when you work for a large company you need someone to represent you, but the unions have become too corrupt over the years, they lost their focus on what they’re suppose to represent.
Walter Moe when I retired from NS the monthly contribution amount an employee had to pay on insurance was 228 a month when you were employed. When I retired you were given the basic 80/20 policy (GA 23000) with zero cost to the retiree from age 60-65 with an option to buy a supplement (GA 46000) that covers 94% of the total bill, that is what I have now, You are correct about taxes from age 60-62. Since you take the early retirement at age 60 your full RRB benefit is taxed like a private pension. At age 62 the SSB equivalent of the RRB can then be taxed at the Social Security rate. If you want tax with held from the Social Security portion of your RRB you need to fill out a form W4 V. If you don't do this they will not with hold any tax on the SS portion and you may well owe taxes at the end of the year. You are also correct about working 2-3 years without a contract. The rail companies have always done this and prolonged negotiations and all bargaining had to go thru the process of the Railway Labor Act. This round of negotiations a very favorable PEB board was established and the unions got quite a bit. a 24.2% raise with back pay, insurance capped at 15% of cost for the monthly payment, extra paid personal day, 1K bonus to be paid each December and several other things. All my dues were divided in to three parts, the BMWE Grand Lodge, The System Federation and then the Local Chapter. I am sure the Grand lodge has to contribute something to the Teamsters but no part is supposed to go to any candidates. The system federation and local chapter dues stay with them. I know nothing about UTU dues.
And then we wonder why ALOT of manufacturing jobs are now done overseas🤔
@wolfpack I’ve been retired now over 13 years and I’ve heard there are a lot of changes. I had worked around a lot of maintenance away and your union stuck together better in a way than the UTU. You probably remember when there were full crews on each train. It was are own people that cut our throats. The agreement was when we started short crew runs if the train was under 3500 foot you could run engineer and conductor only, if over that length you had to call a brakeman, and the conductor got less pay. After a while some trains came in over 3500 foot and the conductor would decide not report it and take the train anyway so he wouldn’t loss money. Soon they were running trains over 5000 foot. And when it came time for the contract, and the union tried saying it was unsafe to run long trains with out a brakeman. The company showed the union where for the last 3 or 4 years they had been doing it. So I learned that it will be your own people that will cut your throat you might say. I won’t go into the politics of the UTU. But at one time there where 36 vice presidents, and two of the presidents of the UTU were put in jail for racketeering while I was there.
Mr. Moe you are spot on with those comments. I agree totally. There have been many changes lately and few for the good. When Hunter Harrison became chief operating officer of the CP and he introduced Precision Scheduled Railroading everything changed drastically and all the other major railroads followed. Train lengths now are often 12,000 feet, trying to make two trains into one and only using one normal size crew to move it. Many cuts in man power across the board and making many terminals whistle stops only. The terrible Hazmat derailment in East Palestine Ohio was from a defective wheel that should have either been inspected by a mechanical employee or caught by a way side detector, but due to PSR the number of mechanical employees have been slashed and the signalmen who take care of the detectors, crossing gates, switches, and signals have declined too. Maintenance on the tracks has suffered too with tie and rail replacement cycles extended as far as possible and standard maintenance suffering also. Precision Scheduled Rail Roading is very bad both for the employees and safety
In my misspent youth I worked in a furniture factory. My job was printing the grain on drawers and panels with toxic paint. I was there about 90 days and the foreman come around and said I had been there long enough and was doing a great job, now it's time to join our union.
I told him instead of joining the union I was going to go back to college. Then I shook his hand, thanked him for the opportunities, and walked out the door, and went back to college, and I never regretted it once.
Joe