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Winchester Power Point

jb4lcmjb4lcm Member Posts: 116 ✭✭

I sent Win photos of the issue I reported in a thread that is now closed. They responded and offered to replace the ammo. I told them that is not the point. I was asking about the accuracy expectation and why this box has 20% THAT ARE LOP SIDED and is this what Win says is OK?

I'm not getting much concern from the CS folks other than to replace. So I sent another reply asking if this is what their QC deems acceptable? Is Winchester Power Point just a box of chocolates??


  • MobuckMobuck Member Posts: 13,542 ✭✭✭✭

    If only 10-20% of customers complain, it's still a win for the company.

  • yoshmysteryoshmyster Member Posts: 20,405 ✭✭✭✭

    Company mentality of the fictional car company from "Fight Club". Pay out is cheaper than a recall.

  • slingerslinger Member Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭

    "Life is like a box of chocolates". Gump😉

  • mike55mike55 Member Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭✭

    Ive shot Winchester PP for years. I have seen what you posted before, but i THINK it is due to bad handling after they leave the factory. I never noticed any apparent accuracy problems, but I did shoot them for practice. I prefer ones NOT bent on the tip for hunting.

  • wolfpackwolfpack Member Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭

    Power points are just a cup and core bullet designed mainly for hunting. I have taken many deer using this bullet in several calibers and have always been happy with the performance. It is my preferred bullet because they are cheap and perform well, as does the Remington Cor lokt and the Fed power shok. You don't need a premium expensive bullet for deer. I have seen the deformities that you posted about and I am sure that several deer I have harvested have been taken with a deformed tip. I am like Mike I prefer to not shoot bent tips but I have. Rough handling will definitely deform a lead tip.

  • chris8X57chris8X57 Member Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭✭

    In recent years, shooters have gotten used to the dimensionally and aesthetic perfection of synthetic ballistic bullet tips.

    Before the introduction of ballistic tips (I believe Nosler was the first), the simple exposed lead tip was the norm, and it was almost expected to see some slight deformation of the lead tip from handling at the manufacturer. Yes, they had passed factory quality control standards.

    Years ago, an author in American Rifleman decided to explore deformed lead tips, and ran a bunch of accuracy tests. He shot a bunch of factory ammo with slight lopsidedness from handling, some he flattened slightly, and others he filed flats on a side of the lead. What he found, ultimately, was that they all performed similarly in terms of accuracy, given that bullet weights remained constant within a certain plus or minus tolerance zone.

    I've noticed slight lead deformation in some of my older Norma, Lapua, and Seller & Belloit ammunition. It isn't that unusual.

    For Winchester to respond that they are OK, means that they passed a certain quality standard, and they are comfortable that they will perform as expected. One cannot expect them to be as pretty as a sharp plastic ballistic tip.

  • hillbillehillbille Member Posts: 13,962 ✭✭✭✭

    if they offered to replace them let them... if next box is bent then you know they have a problem

  • jb4lcmjb4lcm Member Posts: 116 ✭✭

    Winchester CS is mostly concerned about getting the bullets back to send a refund. There was no comments about acceptability of the damages. I got nowhere so I accepted the offer to return for refund, stating I will never buy Power Point due to the obvious problems.

    Yesterday I got a phone call from someone at Win regarding my displeasure. I did not take the call as it was not a number I recognized, but he left a nice message. Although he DID mention that the "California ammo has softer lead" . . I was like huh? Ca banned lead quite a while ago.

    Off to find some more tipped ammo to test. I see Remington has a tipped core lokt out. That looks interesting.

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