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Which is it?? Incompetence or intentional. Is the secret service so woke they are incompetent??
Or at the risk of sounding like a conspiracy whack job, did they let the shooter take the shot??
Doesn't it have to be one or the other??
An inch and a half to the left and Trump is dead.
Your thoughts??
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Did they kill the shooter because he missed?
Apparently leaving a rooftop within range of a hunting rifle is a bad idea.
Didn’t Oswald teach us something like this around 60 years ago?
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We will never know the truth
Yeah. This was a big mistake tonight. Needs to be looked at, but we won't hear about it.
I heard it was 400 feet. 133 yards. Anyone decent with a rifle could pull that off. Good thing this guy wasn't.
I can't believe there's no helicopters or drones used during these events, just for this reason.
Exactly, had to be one or the other. Even people in the crowd were shouting, "he's got a gun...on the roof" 10 to 15 seconds BEFORE he shot. How come an average person could see the danger, but NONE of the HIGHLY trained snipers saw it?
The DEI head of the USSS, a woke female gives me the willies , Her stated goal recently made on a major national TV station was to make the service 30% female , thats fine if they are the most qualified and meet the same standards of this Elite protective branch, but , I don't think her motive is to have the best, just the most diversified. I think that most common sense people realize DEI is a sham and deletes instead of adds to where ever it is instituted .
Her not having any direct contact with any news organization or joining in on any press briefing ( at the time of this post 9:40 am Sunday) after all other involved agencies have several times, speaks volumes as to ineptitude or lack of giving a sh*t.
The simple lack of proper planning , of covering the high ground, of a proper detail assignments , and not using drones to cover for any possible less than optimal boots on the ground is a dereliction of duty .
Nothing against women being agents. But not on this detail. Watching one the of the 5’ 3” female agents trying to use their body to protect a 6’ 3” male makes no sense at all.
I seems to be "a lack of planning and minimal research" that allowed the shooter access. Thankfully, citizens noticed the shooter before the agents, who should have. This goes beyond dropping the ball.
The actual personal protection agents did a credible job covering Trump with their own bodies.
I'll try to attach a ground view from google earth. It shows the red buildings which were behind Trump, the company buildings where the shooter was AND A WATER TOWER. You couldn't ask for a better vantage point for an observer to watch the entire area.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8586539,-79.9713066,3a,75y,137.33h,90.43t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1srNh7xK0MJUYUYrIHS-ZcZw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DrNh7xK0MJUYUYrIHS-ZcZw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D144.50172%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205409&entry=ttu
FWIW, I dont trust the federal agencies anymore. They have proven themselves to be not only incompetent, but infected with leftist ideology and political bias.
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^^ Proves my point, scroll down , interesting read. Dont expect to find this info from corporate media,
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/07/13/secret-service-director-previously-worked-pepsi-faces-calls-resign-attempted-assassination-trump/
The female agent in the group that immediately ran to the podium clearly didn't know what to do until the agent on the stairs pushed her to join the group surrounding Trump. Another female agent at the vehicle they were putting Trump into fumbled with her handgun trying to get it back in the holster while not helping at all. A third with a long brown pony tail also appeared to do nothing.
Shooter might have been associated with Blackrock?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXrub_IwkcM
Looks like some incompetence.
The lumpy left handed chic showed true incompetence.
As for the OP question, I'm voting for 'look the other way orders'. Anyone with the supposed training Secret Service implies who can't figure out that someone needs to watch adjacent rooftops needs to be gathering garbage after the crowd leaves.
I read that the female head of the secret service is a Biden appointee. Any surprise there?
As a former Army Sniper pointed out even a world of Teen aged World of valor player would know the problem with an un secured platform that close. It all looks intentional to me.
If you want to go down a rabbit hole this is an interesting video and I don't agree or disagree at this point. Still taking everything own but no one else is talking about what this video is.
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You would think the cop who confronted the shooter on the roof would've did a mag dump. I suppose after defund cops, the cops don't want to be preemptive in doing their job and they don't wanna get sued.
Waco Waltz - Video sounds like Trump palmed a blood pack or a razor the ear WWF style. I wonder if the left will want to see the "graze" to make sure is wasn't a cut.
The info on how security was handled gets more unbelievable every day.
First story, SS director says they did not want to put agents on the roof where shooter was because it was a slanted roof and it was not safe for SS personnel.
Second story, a person notified a state policeman half hour before shooting that there was someone outside the building with a range finder pointed to where president was going to speak.
Being the party of peace and gun control, this administration and its minions assumed no one who was on their side would have firearms or make an attempt on Trump's life.
I miss green font.
The agents knew he was there, and he still got off the shot. Conspiracy theory?
A diversity hire, with ZERO experience.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/07/report-jill-biden-her-top-advisor-orchestrated-hiring/
Nope, just a very plausible theory at this point!
"You would think the cop who confronted the shooter on the roof would've did a mag dump."
From the more detailed pics and layout I saw, doing so would have resulted in bullets flying in the general direction of the crowd. Not sure a 'mag dump' was the appropriate response but neither was running away.
So many things about this scenario point toward a 'set up' or outright incompetence. No over watch from the water tower. Two counter sniper teams arrayed to watch an open field occupied by already 'vetted' crowd. The amateurish comment that the 'slanted roof' was too dangerous for a SS counter sniper team to use. The slow response to reports of an unknown person with a rifle on that same roof. The obviously poorly trained and/or incapable agents assigned to President Trump's security detail. All these things are questionable.
You can always fire straight up. ANYTHING to grab attention and have Trump dragged off stage!
There is NO way an officer climbed onto the roof with the help of another officer, unless said officer was 8 foot tall. That was a TWO story building. All BS stories from the powers to be, trying to cover their own butts!
Filthy corrupt partisan media is running in maximum overdrive providing cover for another Biden blunder.
All we actually know is that Donald Trump was shot.
I saw interviews where people said "yeah, I saw the shooter on the roof!". Well, why didn't one of these people yell "shooter", then? Why didn't one (or many) do everything possible to get someone's attention and try to ensure DJT and the audience's safety? Hmm?
I refuse to drink anything the media is selling regardless of the color of the can it's delivered in. We've all been lied to for so long and from all sides that anything the media says should be assumed to be a load of fertilizer. Reagan liked the phrase "trust but verify". Today, the phrase is simply "verify" which is near impossible given the disinformation and biases that all media adhere to.
🇺🇲 "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson 🇺🇲
Search for the videos!
They DID yell there is a man on the roof.....he has a gun!
They yelled this several times while also yelling.....officer, officer!
That is recorded on a cell phone, with the shooter on the roof crawling closer to the pitch.
LEO was informed of this man THIRTY mins before the shooting. One LEO even took a picture of the man to "pass up the chain". They claim to have lost sight of him.
So, we KNOW he tried to kill Trump, and we KNOW that several attendees point out the fact that there was a man on the roof with a gun.
Good to KNOW.
But man, I am so jaded and suspicious of 'facts' and of 'news' these days. I know video can be modified, audio can be faked, etc. I have to disengage from it all and believe that because of the years of misinformation and anti-American biases, the profound idiocy called 'media' is lying to me somehow.
I used to be a trusting person but now, out of trying to preserve my sanity, I've become a terrible cynic who doesn't watch the news. I didn't even know DJT was plinked until sometime Sunday evening.
I don't think there was a conspiracy at play, though. I think law enforcement and protective services are completely and utterly hamstrung by the thought of making a mistake. If they do, they get vilified and their personal lives get destroyed. When that happens over and over and over again, hesitation sets in and acting on instinct and intuition and training goes bye-bye.
All said, I'm, glad DJT is OK. I'm glad he stood tall in defiance to the attempt. That was impressive to say the least. Let's hope its enough to get him beyond the reach of liberal ballot box stuffing and in the White House again.
🇺🇲 "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson 🇺🇲
I too have a HEALTHY disdain for the "media." I beleive these videos because social media is trying to remove them ASAP. There are MULTIPLE reports that this "man" was a suspicious person at least THREE hours before the shooting. There is undeniable proof(IMHO) that the shooter was spotted and attendees TRIED to get LEO help(be it local or SS).
IMHO the HEAD of the secret service created the scenario where this could happen. There is NO WAY in the world that ANY specialist would say leaving ALL those roofs unattended was a sound decision. They only needed ONE person to sit on that LARGE buildings roof, and that would have covered all those roof tops, including the one he shot from.
There was a reason those roof tops were left unguarded, NO WAY they were that incompetent (SS or local LEO).
"They only needed ONE person to sit on that LARGE buildings roof, and that would have covered all those roof tops"That bit is indeed puzzling.
🇺🇲 "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson 🇺🇲
The Secret Service let him shoot. With out Trump democracy is saved. This has set up written all over it.
Every new report makes the Secret Service look more and more like The Keystone Cops. Joe let Jill pick the leader. Maybe he was testing the SCOTUS immunity decision.
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While I'm not completely discounting some kind of deep state conspiracy (they despise Trump), I firmly believe that SS is truly THAT inept, and maybe have been, since their inception.
Looking back 60+ yrs ago, even if you don't believe Oswald acted alone, how was he able to secure the perfect position to fire down on Kennedy's motorcade?
Hinckley simply merged into a small group of people, mingling with Reagan's detail, and opened fire.
This latest killer was stopped at the gate while trying to enter the venue, with a rangefinder! Then he was seen crawling on the ground, then photographed with his photo circulated to the detail. He was observed by dozens of attendees and law enforcement, with a rifle, and still not stopped, until he had killed.
None of these shooters were mental giants, with specialized training, or high tech weapons and optics. They weren't elite assassins, operating as a heavily armed team, with inside knowledge of procedures and protocols. They were just smarter than the world's preeminent security force. Doesn't say much for SS. :-(
The shooter was a few feet higher than the officer because of the slope of the roof. The shots would probably have gone over the crowd.