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A-Bomb

AmbroseAmbrose Member Posts: 3,208 ✭✭✭✭

79 years ago today, the first bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, starting a quick end to WWII. It is common for revisionist historians to claim that act was racist, unnecessary, and cruel. I have to wonder; if the Allies had invaded Japan, with the huge casualties on both sides that would have resulted, and it was later discovered that we had that bomb and did not use it; what would opinions be then?!

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  • notnownotnow Member Posts: 1,852 ✭✭✭

    Should the A-bomb have been dropped? Well......let's just ask the people of China, Philippines, Burma, all of those little islands. What do you suppose they would say.

  • FrogdogFrogdog Member Posts: 2,992 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 6

    Firebombing in Japan was far more destructive than the A-Bomb. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were more about sending a message to Russia than anything else, as well an attempt to hasten surrender before Russia invaded Japan from the north and seized territory for communism.

  • slingerslinger Member Posts: 1,441 ✭✭✭✭

    Those bombs may have saved my Dad's life. He was in China at the time.

    Probably rotated to Japan if there had been a need.

  • Rocky RaabRocky Raab Member Posts: 14,433 ✭✭✭✭

    Ending a war always reduces the death and suffering.

    I may be a bit crazy - but I didn't drive myself.
  • buddybbuddyb Member Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭✭

    Many of us on here are old geezers and our dads were WW2 vets.If the bomb had not been used and our dads had invaded Japan,many of us may not be here because dad would have never came home.

  • cbxjeffcbxjeff Member Posts: 17,599 ✭✭✭✭

    bubbyb, my dad was in WW2 and you are correct. B.T.W., I and not a geezer!

    It's too late for me, save yourself.
  • fatcat458fatcat458 Member Posts: 428 ✭✭✭

    May l suggest a great book called ''Killing the Rising Sun'' by Bill 0'Reilly. ln that book Truman Was quoted to say he was prepared to kill ALL the Japanese people if need be to make them surrender. He going to do it thru chemical weapons. A large percentage of the gas was made and stored in Anniston Alabama. Japan was wise to surrender

  • pulsarncpulsarnc Member Posts: 6,492 ✭✭✭✭

    Sadly ,given the Japanese mindset , it was necessary. It ended the wad without the need for tens of thousands of US casualties.

    l

    cry Havoc and let slip  the dogs of war..... 
  • yoshmysteryoshmyster Member Posts: 21,871 ✭✭✭✭

    First dead don't talk but they do vote. Second US wouldn't be in a pickle with China if the Japos kept it. Also no Korea or Vietnam war.

  • jltrentjltrent Member Posts: 9,333 ✭✭✭✭

    A lot of countries have them now. In the not-so-distant future they will be used again. Not sure I would want to live in a big city right now.

  • SoreShoulderSoreShoulder Member Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭
    edited August 8

    When the subject comes up it's important to remember Japan had nuclear and biological weapons programs.

    Occupying forces definitely did find signs of a Japanese nuclear program. Besides that, they were exchanging supplies and technology with Nazi Germany via cargo submarine. They had copies of the Panther (decided it would use too much steel,) ME262, and ME163. It is possible they had received nuclear secrets from the German program as well.

    They had at least two means of delivering a weapon. There were a few Japanese subs which could launch three or two torpedo bombers at sea. Perhaps they could also have carried one nuclear bomber or rocket. They also had sent stratosphere-riding balloons with incendiary bombs as far as the suburbs of Detroit. Perhaps a larger balloon could have carried a bomb or perhaps the small ones could have spread biological weapons.

    The 3-bomber subs were at sea when Japan surrendered. They jettisoned their planes into the sea and surrendered without them. We will never know where they were going or what sort of plane they were loaded with.

    It was unclear at the time what the state of Japan's WMD programs was.

  • elubsmeelubsme Member Posts: 2,195 ✭✭✭✭

    May I suggest all of Bill O'Reilly's books….I especially enjoyed them all. Don't get me started on JFK and Patton. Read it yourself.

  • B17-P51B17-P51 Member Posts: 2,248 ✭✭✭

    I don't think we should have dropped the bombs, nor do I think we would have to invade.

    When you look at the ships we had at the Ulithi anchorage, a simple blockade would have accomplished the task of ending the war. Japan has no natural resources, thus relying completely on imports for survival. They had virtually no Navy or Air power left and soon would have ran out of fuel for those entities. The death toll may have been higher on the island than caused by the A bombs however, as starvation and incendiaries could have been used with great effect. I also don't believe the war would have gone on much longer and the losses to our military would not have continued.

    I believe this approach should have been tried first. If the Japanese would then not surrender, warn them of total annihilation and follow through.

  • mohawk600mohawk600 Member Posts: 5,526 ✭✭✭✭
  • yoshmysteryoshmyster Member Posts: 21,871 ✭✭✭✭

    B17-P51 - A siege at the sea? Basically starve them "in". That would've been a long wait and lots of US boats. I wonder if the body count would've been higher or the same? You know because the Japos wouldn't lay down.

  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,672 ✭✭✭✭

    I would think the bombs were dropped as much to stop Stalin from further land grabs as to get the Japanese to surrender.

    Remember, Truman stated that we would only accept Unconditional Surrender until it became apparent that Japan would fight on without conditions. The longer Japan was in the war, the more of Mongolia, the Kurils, Korea, even China itself would under Soviet Control.

    Japan was no longer a threat outside of areas it controlled. A little punishment for their stupid war was good for the folks at home, and a little nuclear holocaust was good to keep Uncle Joe thinking.

    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • FrogdogFrogdog Member Posts: 2,992 ✭✭✭✭

    Well summarized, Don! The Cold War was already spooling up before WWII even ended, and with Russia poised to enter the Pacific fight after Yalta, the U.S. wanted to minimize the territory that would eventually be under communist occupation and control.

    Folks focus on the Japanese casualties from the A-bombs. However, can you imagine the atrocities and casualties that the Russians would have inflicted on the Japanese people if they had invaded and swept down from the North? We can only estimate, but pressing the surrender via the bombs may likely have been the more humane path for the Japanese in the end.

  • Ditch-RunnerDitch-Runner Member Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭

    As posted the huge fire bombing raids were a lot worse

  • truthfultruthful Member Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭✭

    At least 20,000 American lives were saved by not having to invade Japan. The whiners always forget the several million savage acts created by the Japs on civilians and POWs in China, and elsewhere. They were far worse than the Nazis.

  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,619 ✭✭✭✭

    My dad was in he Army Air Corps in China when the bomb was dropped. He probably would have been killed in the invasion of Japan.

    The Japanese believed in The Warrior's Code, Bushido. Bushido was the Way of the Samurai and it went back a thousand years. In the mind of the Japanese soldier or pilot, every one of them was Samurai and the greatest end they could have was to die for the Emperor in battle. It was unthinkable to surrender. Suicide was far, far better than surrender.

    You have an entire country, from 80-year-old geezers down to little 10 year old kids that will refuse to surrender.

  • elubsmeelubsme Member Posts: 2,195 ✭✭✭✭

    It is a strong possibility that my younger brother would not exist had we not dropped Fat Man and Little Boy. Thank God the buck stopped on Harry's desk.

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