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Treason?
Rockatansky
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Should those who try to disarm us be deemed traitors?
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Should those who try to disarm us be deemed traitors?
It would be better if they were deemed DOA.
It is an act of WAR...perpetrated by foreigners.
NO AMERICAN would attempt to disarm his Countrymen.
Should those who try to disarm us be deemed traitors?
Hell no, this is America, differing opinions on public policy and the constitution are welcome at my table. The idea is to educate them not label them as traitors.
You know..all you SMART guys...that pretend to be solid citizens.
The OP was "TRY TO DISARM US"....
If idiots want to TALK about more gun control...FINE...but the instant they get into office and pass bills doing so..they have crapped on their oath of office.
Naturally, some people find that perfectly all right...since it fits quite well their OWN warped mentality...
Perhaps you oh so ready to 'forgive and forget' types ought to RE-READ the orginal post.
You know..all you SMART guys...that pretend to be solid citizens.
The OP was "TRY TO DISARM US"....
If idiots want to TALK about more gun control...FINE...but the instant they get into office and pass bills doing so..they have crapped on their oath of office.
Naturally, some people find that perfectly all right...since it fits quite well their OWN warped mentality...
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quote:Originally posted by Rockatansky
Should those who try to disarm us be deemed traitors?
Hell no, this is America, differing opinions on public policy and the constitution are welcome at my table. The idea is to educate them not label them as traitors.
I am not talking about opinions, I am talking about actions. I thought that was rather clear.
quote:Originally posted by Highball
Perhaps you oh so ready to 'forgive and forget' types ought to RE-READ the orginal post.
You know..all you SMART guys...that pretend to be solid citizens.
The OP was "TRY TO DISARM US"....
If idiots want to TALK about more gun control...FINE...but the instant they get into office and pass bills doing so..they have crapped on their oath of office.
Naturally, some people find that perfectly all right...since it fits quite well their OWN warped mentality...
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Come back on here and explain your righteous hurt at helping the Beast take the weapons from citizens...'well' it IS the law...we got to do it'....
quote:Originally posted by calrugerfan
quote:Originally posted by Highball
Perhaps you oh so ready to 'forgive and forget' types ought to RE-READ the orginal post.
You know..all you SMART guys...that pretend to be solid citizens.
The OP was "TRY TO DISARM US"....
If idiots want to TALK about more gun control...FINE...but the instant they get into office and pass bills doing so..they have crapped on their oath of office.
Naturally, some people find that perfectly all right...since it fits quite well their OWN warped mentality...
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quote:Originally posted by freemind
quote:Originally posted by calrugerfan
quote:Originally posted by Highball
Perhaps you oh so ready to 'forgive and forget' types ought to RE-READ the orginal post.
You know..all you SMART guys...that pretend to be solid citizens.
The OP was "TRY TO DISARM US"....
If idiots want to TALK about more gun control...FINE...but the instant they get into office and pass bills doing so..they have crapped on their oath of office.
Naturally, some people find that perfectly all right...since it fits quite well their OWN warped mentality...
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For the sake of clarity there needs to be a bit more to the question. Much as our constitution, as well written is it is leaves some issues open to question, so does the OP.
"Those who try to disarm us"; who is those?
Is it the political hacks, or the sworn officers doing a job enforcing the law?? This very issue has been rehashed ad nauseam. It would seem the political arm would indeed be traitors and the enforcement side of the coin not falling into the literal definition of a traitor.
Hope that helps ya!
quote:Originally posted by tomahawk
quote:Originally posted by freemind
quote:Originally posted by calrugerfan
quote:Originally posted by Highball
Perhaps you oh so ready to 'forgive and forget' types ought to RE-READ the orginal post.
You know..all you SMART guys...that pretend to be solid citizens.
The OP was "TRY TO DISARM US"....
If idiots want to TALK about more gun control...FINE...but the instant they get into office and pass bills doing so..they have crapped on their oath of office.
Naturally, some people find that perfectly all right...since it fits quite well their OWN warped mentality...
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+5, thought the OP was clear and simple.
Key board commandos, Balderdash and bravado.
Is it the best you could come up with? Feeling a little helpless, aren't we.
quote:Originally posted by bpost
Key board commandos, Balderdash and bravado.
Is it the best you could come up with? Feeling a little helpless, aren't we.
Not at all, just sick of hearing people using words too big for them to comprehend. Dealing with emotional issues with hatred rather than using powers granted to them by God above, the most important being reasoning. Treason is one hell of serious a charge, you better understand what it means before asking if someone is guilty of it.
TREASON:
The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offence is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
Disarming you might be un-constitutional as hell but it falls far short of levying war or giving aid to the enemies of the USA. The right to keep and bear arms is an inalienable right, not granted by man, nor removable by man, it is an individual right codified in the constitution.
Hope that helps! [:)]
quote:Originally posted by Rockatansky
quote:Originally posted by bpost
Key board commandos, Balderdash and bravado.
Is it the best you could come up with? Feeling a little helpless, aren't we.
Not at all, just sick of hearing people using words too big for them to comprehend.
stopped reading after this. /ignore since you are too smart for me to comprehend.
quote:Originally posted by bpost
quote:Originally posted by Rockatansky
quote:Originally posted by bpost
Key board commandos, Balderdash and bravado.
Is it the best you could come up with? Feeling a little helpless, aren't we.
Not at all, just sick of hearing people using words too big for them to comprehend.
stopped reading after this. /ignore since you are too smart for me to comprehend.
Good man, now please go read some more. [;)][:)]
quote:Originally posted by Rockatansky
quote:Originally posted by bpost
Key board commandos, Balderdash and bravado.
Is it the best you could come up with? Feeling a little helpless, aren't we.
Not at all, just sick of hearing people using words too big for them to comprehend. Dealing with emotional issues with hatred rather than using powers granted to them by God above, the most important being reasoning. Treason is one hell of serious a charge, you better understand what it means before asking if someone is guilty of it.
TREASON:
The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offence is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
Disarming you might be un-constitutional as hell but it falls far short of levying war or giving aid to the enemies of the USA. The right to keep and bear arms is an inalienable right, not granted by man, nor removable by man, it is an individual right codified in the constitution.
Hope that helps! [:)]
Well said. Thanks.
quote:Originally posted by Rockatansky
quote:Originally posted by bpost
Key board commandos, Balderdash and bravado.
Is it the best you could come up with? Feeling a little helpless, aren't we.
Not at all, just sick of hearing people using words too big for them to comprehend. Dealing with emotional issues with hatred rather than using powers granted to them by God above, the most important being reasoning. Treason is one hell of serious a charge, you better understand what it means before asking if someone is guilty of it.
TREASON:
The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offence is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
Disarming you might be un-constitutional as hell but it falls far short of levying war or giving aid to the enemies of the USA. The right to keep and bear arms is an inalienable right, not granted by man, nor removable by man, it is an individual right codified in the constitution.
Hope that helps! [:)]
Bruce, wouldn't disarming the citizens, as related to the spirit of the 2nd ammendment, be the start of levying war on those citizens??? After all, once they are disarmed, they can be forced to do anything the armed wish them to. That is an interpretatory area, but one that needs looking at.
I say anyone in govt or law enforcement who gives that order, or follows that order, is guilty of treason as the 2nd ammendment lays out the RIGHTS of the american citizen. If they feel the need to disarm the citizens, then WHY exactly do they feel that need[?] If they are working FOR THE PEOPLE, they have nothing to fear. Now, if their inept policies in punishing criminals allow those same people to get out in no time at all, and re-aquire firearms to commit more crimes, then that responsibility lies squarely on THEIR shoulders, not ours. MHO
everyone is going to hand them over and nothing is going to happen. Treason, now thats funny.
thats funny right there.....if you think that, i invite you to come get mine[;)]
Good man, now please go read some more. [;)][:)]
Is that supposed to be an insult of some sort? All you have suggested here is that I read and you don't.
Tell us, who helps you dress in the morning, genius?
quote:Originally posted by Lucky_Lefty
everyone is going to hand them over and nothing is going to happen. Treason, now thats funny.
thats funny right there.....if you think that, i invite you to come get mine[;)]
+1
It's quite interesting to see JBT mentality reveal itself.
What else would you expect from them, anyway...except a spirited defense for the powers that intend grabbing the weapons , and hatred directed towards those that might resist ?
I expect that the folks that don't see those actions as treasonous are gun controllers, pure and simple.
Look who it's coming from. The usual bunch, isn't it? Like I said, they've picked their side.
quote:Originally posted by bpost
Good man, now please go read some more. [;)][:)]
Is that supposed to be an insult of some sort? All you have suggested here is that I read and you don't.
Tell us, who helps you dress in the morning, genius?
No insult intended at all. Treason is a defined crime, I posted the constitutional definition of treason. Your question does not fall under that definition of treason. Obama on the other hand, aiding our enemy by giving our troops medals for not shooting them comes close to treason in my book.
Treason is an act against our nation. Trying to disarm the populace is a crime against "We the People"; it is by definition the reason we have the second Amendment, to prevent tyranny in Government! The funny thing is that it is incumbent upon the individual, at that point, the point where the law of the land breaches inalienable rights, that breach give free men the moral right to rebel and overthrow the government.
The political scum that passed such laws should be jailed for breach of oath and malfeasance in office. Or, if lawful, hung from the nearest oak tree. [:D]
That is the way I see it.
No insult intended at all.
bs. besides not being too bright, you are a coward and a liar also. good combo. how about you find yourself some other threads to ruin?
quote:Originally posted by bpost
quote:Originally posted by Rockatansky
quote:Originally posted by bpost
Key board commandos, Balderdash and bravado.
Is it the best you could come up with? Feeling a little helpless, aren't we.
Not at all, just sick of hearing people using words too big for them to comprehend. Dealing with emotional issues with hatred rather than using powers granted to them by God above, the most important being reasoning. Treason is one hell of serious a charge, you better understand what it means before asking if someone is guilty of it.
TREASON:
The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offence is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
Disarming you might be un-constitutional as hell but it falls far short of levying war or giving aid to the enemies of the USA. The right to keep and bear arms is an inalienable right, not granted by man, nor removable by man, it is an individual right codified in the constitution.
Hope that helps! [:)]
Bruce, wouldn't disarming the citizens, as related to the spirit of the 2nd ammendment, be the start of levying war on those citizens??? After all, once they are disarmed, they can be forced to do anything the armed wish them to. That is an interpretatory area, but one that needs looking at.
I say anyone in govt or law enforcement who gives that order, or follows that order, is guilty of treason as the 2nd ammendment lays out the RIGHTS of the american citizen. If they feel the need to disarm the citizens, then WHY exactly do they feel that need[?] If they are working FOR THE PEOPLE, they have nothing to fear. Now, if their inept policies in punishing criminals allow those same people to get out in no time at all, and re-aquire firearms to commit more crimes, then that responsibility lies squarely on THEIR shoulders, not ours. MHO
Well, JustC, it WAS once long ago. It was the begining of the revolutionary war. [;)]
quote:Originally posted by Lucky_Lefty
everyone is going to hand them over and nothing is going to happen. Treason, now thats funny.
thats funny right there.....if you think that, i invite you to come get mine[;)]
so you are saying if the law come you are going to shoot them? There is the proof that people cannot think clearly.
quote:Originally posted by tomahawk
quote:Originally posted by Lucky_Lefty
everyone is going to hand them over and nothing is going to happen. Treason, now thats funny.
thats funny right there.....if you think that, i invite you to come get mine[;)]
so you are saying if the law come you are going to shoot them? There is the proof that people cannot think clearly.
If Amendment II were abrogated and confiscations were ordered, those who make the choice to participate in that confiscation become enemies at that point, to many people in this nation.
What do you think will happen when they come to a constitutionalists home to confiscate arms?
Oh, I forgot....nobody will do anything at all and they will roll-over and concede liberties teeth. At least that is what you would likely do, so you judge others by that measure.
A scant measure it seems to be, I must add.
Oh, I forgot....nobody will do anything at all and they will roll-over and concede liberties teeth. At least that is what you would likely do, so you judge others by that measure.
That is exactly right. There is something they also like to say about reality-something-something, it seems to be their best argument so far.
The lowest of the low, in my view.
quote:Originally posted by Lucky_Lefty
quote:Originally posted by tomahawk
quote:Originally posted by Lucky_Lefty
everyone is going to hand them over and nothing is going to happen. Treason, now thats funny.
thats funny right there.....if you think that, i invite you to come get mine[;)]
so you are saying if the law come you are going to shoot them? There is the proof that people cannot think clearly.
If Amendment II were abrogated and confiscations were ordered, those who make the choice to participate in that confiscation become enemies at that point, to many people in this nation.
What do you think will happen when they come to a constitutionalists home to confiscate arms?
Oh, I forgot....nobody will do anything at all and they will roll-over and concede liberties teeth. At least that is what you would likely do, so you judge others by that measure.
A scant measure it seems to be, I must add.
+1
LT is dead on again. Hope you never get tired of being right.[;)]
I never have and I never will.[:D][:D][:D]
After, twenty year of lackluster success i've manage to put together a radio set that get's my head out a tribute to life as you know it, and wouldn't hurt you to learn a few new tricks ether.