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Winchester Model-95

BergtrefferBergtreffer Member Posts: 629 ✭✭✭✭
edited August 2010 in Ask the Experts
Where is the serial number on a Win M-95? There is not a number of any kind on the action of my M-95, but there is a number followed by "sn" on the underside of the barrel, immediately in front of the receiver. Was the serial number put on the barrel rather than on the action?
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    Old-ColtsOld-Colts Member Posts: 22,700 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The serial number should be marked on the lower tang, under the lever.

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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The serial number is marked on the lower tang only.

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    BergtrefferBergtreffer Member Posts: 629 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Wow, BertH, that is one terrific looking Model-95. Just today I took my Model-95 to a gunsmith to have him fit new wood to the metal. Both he and I studied the barreled action but could find no serial number. So we logged it in on his shop ticket by the number on the underside of the barrel. I'll call him in the morning and have him take a look again.
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    BergtrefferBergtreffer Member Posts: 629 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Oh, and I need to ask the following. On the top of the barrel it says 30 US 1903. Is this the designation for the .30-03 cartridge. I read somewhere that the very same designation can stand for the .30-03, the later .30-06, and for the .30-40 Krag.
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Your rifle is a 30-03. The designation for the 30-40 Krag was "30 U.S." or in later years, "30 ARMY". The 30-06 was marked "30 GOV'T 1906".
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    BergtrefferBergtreffer Member Posts: 629 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    OK, thanks a lot. You are very helpful. Two further questions, if I may. Do you know of a source for .30-03 brass, and can .30-06 reloading dies be used to reload the .30-03?
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It would be easier to simply load 30-06 cases using the 220-grain bullet designed for the the 30-40 Krag and 30-03. All you need to do is seat the bullet out just a bit further than normal, and to an OAL of 3.34"

    If you actually use 30-03 brass, you can not use 30-06 reloading dies. The 30-03 case neck is slightly longer than the 30-06 case neck.
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    elubsmeelubsme Member Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
    It would be easier to simply load 30-06 cases using the 220-grain bullet designed for the the 30-40 Krag and 30-03. All you need to do is seat the bullet out just a bit further than normal, and to an OAL of 3.34"

    If you actually use 30-03 brass, you can not use 30-06 reloading dies. The 30-03 case neck is slightly longer than the 30-06 case neck.
    Burt, are you sure? I think just the opposite is true. For instance 38/357 but not 357/38. It is also possible to reload cases that are over length I.E. need trimmed in nearly any die as long as bullet seating depth is adjusted for the longer case. Now, I realise that a case will eventually become too long to chamber but that is a different problem. I respect your wisdom. Eddie
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    BergtrefferBergtreffer Member Posts: 629 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hmmm. Maybe my understand of this is not complete enough. The .30-06 case has a shorter shoulder than the .30-03. Correct? If a .30-06 case headspaces on its shoulder, then it would seem that pushing a .30-06 into a .30-03 chamber would not result in a proper headspace. ? ? And therefore the .06 cartridge would not even fire in a .03 chamber. ? Or would the .06 cartridge "blow out" the case to conform with the .30-03 chamber? If that is the case then perhaps a full-up charge would not even be need to fire form the case. I do have a bunch of old .30-40 Krag 220 grain round nose, FMJ bullets. I guess those could be used for this fire forming process?
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The difference between a 30-06 and a 30-03 is soley in the length of the neck. The neck is longer on the 30-03 due to the long 220-grain round-nose bullet it was loaded with. The 30-06 was designed for a shorter 150-grain spitzer bullet, and it therefore did not need the lonk neck.

    I have in front of me an original WRACO 30-03 cartridge, and a U 42 (WW II military) 30-06 cartridge. The case length of the 30-03 is 2.560" and the 30-06 is 2.490". The shoulder height is identical on the two cartridges (see the pictures below)

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    So YES, I am absolutely positive that a 30-06 case can be used in a 30-03 chamber.
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