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High school to test for students' weekend drinking
By Associated Press
Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - Updated: 05:31 AM EST
PEQUANNOCK, N.J. - Some teenagers who drink over the weekend could be in big trouble come Monday morning: A New Jersey school district plans to institute random urine tests capable of detecting whether alcohol was consumed up to 80 hours earlier.
Pequannock Township High, with about 800 students, said it will begin administering the tests next Monday.
"This is a major issue for America," School Superintendent Larrie Reynolds said Tuesday. "There are more kids that die each year in alcohol-related traffic deaths than there are soldiers who have died in Iraq. The numbers are staggering."
At least one other New Jersey high school, in Middletown, employs the EtG test, which screens for ethyl glucuronide, a substance produced by the body when it metabolizes alcohol.
Pequannock teenagers who participate in sports or other extracurricular activities, or drive to school, are already tested for illegal drugs, under a 2005 program prompted by the heroin overdose of a student.
Students who test positive for alcohol will not be kicked off teams or barred from extracurricular activities. Instead they will receive counseling and their parents will be notified, Reynolds said.
"That's going to give our kids riding in the back seat of someone's car a very powerful reason to say no," he said.
Drug tests, similarly, can detect drug use that occurred days earlier.
The new test worries civil-liberties advocates and others who oppose school drug testing as an invasion of privacy.
"Medical care and treatment are issues between parents and children," said Deborah Jacobs, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey.
They also say that common household products such as mouthwash can produce a positive test result. Reynolds said that the test has been recalibrated so that for students to test positive, they would generally have to consume one or two drinks.
The EtG test costs about $20, Reynolds said. The school's overall testing program is funded by a three-year, $120,000 federal grant.
"No one's really taking it seriously. If you want to go to a party, you're still going to go to a party," senior Matt Huber said.
c Copyright 2007 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
My two cents worth....There are some parents who will allow a teenager to consume a glass of wine with dinner,..what happens there?....
I can understand if it was during school hours, or at a school function, but weekends are your own time, or should be....I dont think kids should be drinking but this is going to far...If you have glass of wine at a home on a saturday night, it can be picked up on the test Monday morning....
By Associated Press
Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - Updated: 05:31 AM EST
PEQUANNOCK, N.J. - Some teenagers who drink over the weekend could be in big trouble come Monday morning: A New Jersey school district plans to institute random urine tests capable of detecting whether alcohol was consumed up to 80 hours earlier.
Pequannock Township High, with about 800 students, said it will begin administering the tests next Monday.
"This is a major issue for America," School Superintendent Larrie Reynolds said Tuesday. "There are more kids that die each year in alcohol-related traffic deaths than there are soldiers who have died in Iraq. The numbers are staggering."
At least one other New Jersey high school, in Middletown, employs the EtG test, which screens for ethyl glucuronide, a substance produced by the body when it metabolizes alcohol.
Pequannock teenagers who participate in sports or other extracurricular activities, or drive to school, are already tested for illegal drugs, under a 2005 program prompted by the heroin overdose of a student.
Students who test positive for alcohol will not be kicked off teams or barred from extracurricular activities. Instead they will receive counseling and their parents will be notified, Reynolds said.
"That's going to give our kids riding in the back seat of someone's car a very powerful reason to say no," he said.
Drug tests, similarly, can detect drug use that occurred days earlier.
The new test worries civil-liberties advocates and others who oppose school drug testing as an invasion of privacy.
"Medical care and treatment are issues between parents and children," said Deborah Jacobs, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey.
They also say that common household products such as mouthwash can produce a positive test result. Reynolds said that the test has been recalibrated so that for students to test positive, they would generally have to consume one or two drinks.
The EtG test costs about $20, Reynolds said. The school's overall testing program is funded by a three-year, $120,000 federal grant.
"No one's really taking it seriously. If you want to go to a party, you're still going to go to a party," senior Matt Huber said.
c Copyright 2007 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
My two cents worth....There are some parents who will allow a teenager to consume a glass of wine with dinner,..what happens there?....
I can understand if it was during school hours, or at a school function, but weekends are your own time, or should be....I dont think kids should be drinking but this is going to far...If you have glass of wine at a home on a saturday night, it can be picked up on the test Monday morning....
Comments
Ben
I will do the parenting in MY house-I don't need a teacher to be telling me how to raise my kids. Plus it is a huge waste of MY tax money!
I cant help but wonder if the teachers are tested?....hmmmmmmm
It is??????
What about testing pilots?... RIDICULOUS?.. THe students are already testing for ILLEGAL drugs, why not the teachers?...Teachers under the influence can cause the same accidents, do the same damage as a teen....and in fact they could do more considering they are in control of a room full of students...what is good for the students should be done to the teachers as well....how many of them use illegal drugs?...and how many are hung over on Monday?....its been proven that driving with a hangover is as bad and as dangerous as being drunk...so there is no diff if you are a student or a teen..
Airline Pilots have random test done to protect the airlines and the people who fly on their planes. People going thru flight school know these rules exist to become Pilots.
Many companies today random drug test. They WEED OUT the inferior employee's .
Any State employee of SC can be requested to take a drug test. IF they refuse they can be suspended or possibly lose all their retirement..
Claim to be Jewish and that it's a religious belief to drink an alcoholic beverage and turn around and sue the school district. Win Multi-million dollar defamation lawsuit that sux tax payers dollars from real school programs.
How many kids will slam cold medicine to fail this pee test to get out of school?
quote:Airline Pilots have random test done to protect the airlines and the people who fly on their planes
And I would want the teachers tested to protect my kids....and other kids who go to the school..
I don't understand the reasoning behind putting forth such an insane idea.
Margaret Thatcher
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
Mark Twain
quote:Originally posted by ObiWan
Thaz New Joysey for ya.
Claim to be Jewish and that it's a religious belief to drink an alcoholic beverage and turn around and sue the school district. Win Multi-million dollar defamation lawsuit that sux tax payers dollars from real school programs.
How many kids will slam cold medicine to fail this pee test to get out of school?
virginity, under age sex is illegal, but i guess it would be ok if your gay
actually never heard of a alcohol test that works for 80 hours after consumption, ether way their just preparing the next generation for more control
HOWEVER, you have to be 21 to drink, most highschoolers arent 21, so it might be a good thing
I don't hear the ACLU or the other bleeding hearts on the forum crying about that!
I wouldnt mind it, I dont care, because i dont plan on drinking.
HOWEVER, you have to be 21 to drink, most highschoolers arent 21, so it might be a good thing
In Alaska it is legal for minors to consume alcoholic beverages in their own home if it was given too them by their parents.
Ben: You dont seem to realize that education in schools is a secondary thing in the past 20 years. Diversity, sex education, paid counslers for trauma, and the likes are evidentaly much more important than education. Parents dont want to be bothered teaching their kids
on these things. However, more teachers, bigger Teachers Unions, and
more local taxes rank first. Not just plain education. That is a thing from the past as we knew it.
I guess we did ok..I have one head nurse in a retirement home, one LEO (she isn't a street cop, she's in charge of the computer system), and one law professor who teaches at Georgetown University in Washington.
My wife and I were guardedly tolerant. We didn't weave any "cabbage leaf or stork" tales, we discussed..anything and everything..that the girls were curious about. They got the truth, always, and they were treated with respect. They were guided, but not preached to.
Now we have no drunks, no dropouts, no druggies, no troubled offspring.
Some of it was luck..no..we were blessed..Some of it was treating our children like people, some of it maybe was heredity.
Most important of all, there was trust. Sometimes that's hard, certainly. Especially when your youngest daughter goes off to college and tells you about the drinking parties etc. I'll never forget how I worried..But I restrained myself, my wife (ex by then) did the same, we kept treating her as a young adult, mature enough to make some decisions for herself. My hair turned gray, but it didn't fall out..And we all got through it. I'm very proud of them now, and I was then.
Trouble happens when they're left to the school system and the government to raise. Parents who do that (most now unfortunately) get drop outs, druggies, prostitutes, drive by shooters, gang bangers, and life time dependants as a reward.
There's a fine line between permissiveness and despotism that works. It's worth the trouble to find the line. The most important thing to remember, in my opinion (I use that phrase almost every day on here) is to treat your children like people but not like adults. That is until they prove to you that they ARE adults. Then leave them the He** alone to make their own decisions. By this time, they probably know a lot more about life than you do. And guess what..They will be responsible, they will be honest, and they will still respect you. Mine still say "sir" when they talk to me, and never once did I tell them to or suggest it. They do it out of respect. Respect that they learned for themselves, not anything forced on them by despots OR teachers.
There are some high school students who are 17 18 even 19....there are families who let their children drink wine with a meal, is that the schools concern?
True, never thought about that
I doubt it is, but if their hardcore drinking.. I would be concerned if the parents knew, Maybe if they had the parent sign a thing that says "do you want us to test your son/daughter
quote:Originally posted by Jacob2008
I wouldnt mind it, I dont care, because i dont plan on drinking.
HOWEVER, you have to be 21 to drink, most highschoolers arent 21, so it might be a good thing
In Alaska it is legal for minors to consume alcoholic beverages in their own home if it was given too them by their parents.
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As i stated with BR, It would prolly be fine as long as the parents signed a thingy that said "NO i dont want my kid to be tested" but some parents might be concerned. Oh well, id like to hear how the law goes, pass / fail