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Midnight license & insurance check

DPHMINDPHMIN Member Posts: 908 ✭✭✭
edited January 2014 in General Discussion
We had a service at our church this evening until shortly past midnight to see the old year out, and the new year in. Our church is out in the country - 4 miles from our very small town. On the way home, at a remote country county road crossroads, there were several sheriff cars with lights flashing. They were checking driver's licenses and proof of insurance.

This is the first time in the 35 years that we have been living here, that I have experienced a license check on a county road in Arkansas. Makes me wonder if this is an indication of a police state coming - getting us conditioned for it.
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    skicatskicat Member Posts: 14,431 ✭
    edited November -1
    I hate to break it to you on New Years but it is already here. They are stopping you without probable cause and asking to see your papers. What more evidence do you need?
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    ruger41ruger41 Member Posts: 14,647 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    There are plenty of vids on youtube showing dui & illegal alien and even agricultural checkpoints and folks refusing to be searched. If you are very well versed in the law and brave enough to try you can refuse these types of searches. You should see how angry the cops get and not a thing they can do about it. Eventually they kick these folks loose without any search because they are tired of dealing with them..and they know these folks know their rights.
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    montanajoemontanajoe Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 58,045 ******
    edited November -1
    what's the chance they figured out drunk drivers are on the road on new years,and they want to get them off the road to protect others on their way home from church,,[?][?][;)][;)][:0][:0]
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    woodhogwoodhog Member Posts: 13,115 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    DUI checkpoints on Holiday weekends are not a new occurrence , by any means.
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    searcher5searcher5 Member Posts: 13,511
    edited November -1
    They were thick as bugs on a bumper around here. Local PD, Hi-way Patrol and Sheriffs deputies. Gave everybody plenty of warning, days before that they were going to be out in force.

    Was a hell of a day for me, and I left work about 9. Stone sober. Didn't get pulled over, but I told one of my employees that if I did, I was going straight to the breath test, because as tired as I was, I'd never pass the co-ordination test!
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    notnownotnow Member Posts: 1,812 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think I got this one, or maybe not. If they set up out on some country road where the most drivers are from a church service, then there's enough cars to justify being there but no drunks to haul in and process and "presto" when the shift is over they're outta there and on their way home.
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    WarbirdsWarbirds Member Posts: 16,841 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Tarrant County, Tx (Fort Worth) had a "no refusal" in effect.

    If you would not blow into a breath-alyzer the police would stick a needle in your arm and draw blood.

    I'm all for keeping the roads safe but this seemed rediculous.
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    competentonecompetentone Member Posts: 4,698 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Unfortunately, the courts have held that as long as the police are stopping everybody on the particular section of road, these sorts of checks are perfectly legal.

    It is really a worrisome sort of logic the judges have used. I guess, using their logic, if the police searched everyone's home in a specific neighborhood, they wouldn't need any search warrants?
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    pistoljimpistoljim Member Posts: 967 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Flying Clay Disk
    quote:Originally posted by Dave W.
    Tarrant County, Tx (Fort Worth) had a "no refusal" in effect.

    If you would not blow into a breath-alyzer the police would stick a needle in your arm and draw blood.

    I'm all for keeping the roads safe but this seemed rediculous.


    And what if you refused??? Would they restrain you and do it anyway?

    I'm thinkin' I've got a major problem with this...DUI or not!~


    It's not like the cop sticks a needle in your arm on the side of the road. They take you to jail then they have to get a search warrant before they can draw your blood.
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    bartman45bartman45 Member Posts: 3,008 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    "Ze zant to zee ef ze papers are een order"
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    AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,056 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by pistoljim
    quote:Originally posted by Flying Clay Disk
    quote:Originally posted by Dave W.
    Tarrant County, Tx (Fort Worth) had a "no refusal" in effect.

    If you would not blow into a breath-alyzer the police would stick a needle in your arm and draw blood.

    I'm all for keeping the roads safe but this seemed rediculous.


    And what if you refused??? Would they restrain you and do it anyway?

    I'm thinkin' I've got a major problem with this...DUI or not!~


    It's not like the cop sticks a needle in your arm on the side of the road. They take you to jail then they have to get a search warrant before they can draw your blood.





    They take you to jail for what charge?
    Probable cause for initial stop?
    And right there you have "fruit of the poisonous tree" and blood evidence is no good.
    Go figure!
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    mogley98mogley98 Member Posts: 18,297 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    DOES NOT WORK, you can't use fear to strip liberty awayquote:Originally posted by montanajoe
    what's the chance they figured out drunk drivers are on the road on new years,and they want to get them off the road to protect others on their way home from church,,[?][?][;)][;)][:0][:0]
    Why don't we go to school and work on the weekends and take the week off!
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    DPHMINDPHMIN Member Posts: 908 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:

    I'm a proponent of loss of your license plate if you have no ins.


    In Arkansas, you can't renew your car tags without proof of insurance.
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    RosieRosie Member Posts: 14,525 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would much more rather be pulled over than getting hit head on by a drunk.
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    o b juano b juan Member Posts: 1,941 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ruger 41
    I am curious to know how we can refuse a Border patrol at federaf check point going north from Mexu=ico..

    They stop you abd ask if you are an american citizen, and usually wave you through but occasinally ask "WHERE ARE YOU GOING"

    I seem to remember they have no authoruty to ask that question:
    am I wrong ?
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    mogley98mogley98 Member Posts: 18,297 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Rosie
    I would much more rather be pulled over than getting hit head on by a drunk.




    Why not search everyone in public and their homes? Rather have that then some scum sucker doing something illegal?
    Why don't we go to school and work on the weekends and take the week off!
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    competentonecompetentone Member Posts: 4,698 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Rosie
    I would much more rather be pulled over than getting hit head on by a drunk.


    And would you also say: "I'd much rather have my home searched for illegal weapons than be shot by a criminal with an illegal gun."?
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