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quote:Originally posted by CaptFun
Let me be perfectly clear. If you bid on an item with no intention of paying just to mess with the seller, your account will be terminated, no ifs ands or buts. The seller will get the opportunity to explain his actions tomorrow and will be charged the final value fee on the item and collect a negative feedback.
If we just terminate the listing, then he gets no negative reinforcement and will just keep doing the same bad behaviour over and over.
Sounds good. As always I am happy to pay for anything I bid on. I have never engaged in any sort of auction bidding shenanagans. I bid on auctions all the time that are selling cheap in the hopes I get a "steal". When this auction is over I will see if he didn't make a mistake and actually still has the gun and is willing to make good on his auction as he is bound by Gunbroker rules to do. If not I guess I will leave feedback and most likely get MY FIRST negative feedback if he retaliates.
quote:Originally posted by partisan
I don't own a shop, and if I list something for sale on GB, I sell it.
Here is my question? Plenty of these sales are gun shops, and they say in the listing that the gun is for sale in their shop, and can be sold at anytime. Is this make it OK? Just wondering?
No. Once an item has a valid bid in excess of the reserve (if any) then it is considered sold to the high bidder. Sellers that do not complete auctions are removed from the system just the same as bidders who do not pay. If they have it on the shelf in the shop then they need to come up with a system to keep from selling it twice. A number of sellers do it a number of different ways. Some even have the items in a special display and you can bid on it there in the store. I know one chain of about 20 pawn shops that does not even put them on the shelf. They go straight on GunBroker with no reserve, a reasonable starting price and are sold in 14 days.
quote:Originally posted by partisan
I don't own a shop, and if I list something for sale on GB, I sell it.
Here is my question? Plenty of these sales are gun shops, and they say in the listing that the gun is for sale in their shop, and can be sold at anytime. Is this make it OK? Just wondering?
No it does not make it ok, When I list something for sale it comes off the shelf, period. But all the auctions I have ever ran have been penny no reserve so it was pretty much garunteed to sell.
Upper receiver does NOT match (has Colt barrel, however)
Castle Nut's been replaced (who knows what they did to get a staked Castle Nut off?)
Buffer tube's a replacement (to allow for an adjustable stock)
I noticed he failed to put in the auction the fact it was for sale in the the store. Does that make a difference or once it's listed it is listed and can't sell until end of auction?
quote:Originally posted by CaptFun
quote:Originally posted by shootuadeal
Would it be ok to run his bid up to like 4000 dollars so he feels like he missed out on thatt much money plus he is responsible for that much in fees.
You know, just to teach him a lesson[}:)]
vigilante bidders will get terminated faster than sellers that don't complete transactions...
Well I believe I'm still high bidder, I will send him an email in the morning asking if the address listed on GB is the correct place to send the money order.
He will most likely tell me im out of luck that he sold it. I guess I will also let him know about how the rules on GB work and if he doesn't fulfill his obligation that he will recieve negative feedback. probably a C or a D since I haven't sent payment and am not out much. It has actually happened to me twice before where the gun was sold before the auction ended, both times after talking to the sellers it was apparant to me that it was an honest mistake.
This is not an honest mistake though, this is blatant disregard for the way Gunbroker works and I'm taking a way out guess that this guy will end up leaving me negative retalitory feedback because I bid on it after he SUPPOSEDLY sold it already.
I would coordinate what ever you do with support and CaptFun. And if you can leave him feedback w/out him leaving you feedback, I'd give him an "F". This would sting, and remind him not to ever do it again.
But, this is the business of GB, and I don't want to step on any toes, so to speak.
You've always been a really cool guy, and I'll respect you in the morning. Oh wait, I mean, I'll respect what ever you do. [:D]
quote:Originally posted by shootuadeal
Well I believe I'm still high bidder, I will send him an email in the morning asking if the address listed on GB is the correct place to send the money order.
He will most likely tell me im out of luck that he sold it. I guess I will also let him know about how the rules on GB work and if he doesn't fulfill his obligation that he will recieve negative feedback. probably a C or a D since I haven't sent payment and am not out much. It has actually happened to me twice before where the gun was sold before the auction ended, both times after talking to the sellers it was apparant to me that it was an honest mistake.
This is not an honest mistake though, this is blatant disregard for the way Gunbroker works and I'm taking a way out guess that this guy will end up leaving me negative retalitory feedback because I bid on it after he SUPPOSEDLY sold it already.
Somehow.... I don't quite think that the good Cap'n will allow him to do that... Jus'sayin'...
quote:Originally posted by CaptFun
quote:Originally posted by partisan
I don't own a shop, and if I list something for sale on GB, I sell it.
Here is my question? Plenty of these sales are gun shops, and they say in the listing that the gun is for sale in their shop, and can be sold at anytime. Is this make it OK? Just wondering?
No. Once an item has a valid bid in excess of the reserve (if any) then it is considered sold to the high bidder. Sellers that do not complete auctions are removed from the system just the same as bidders who do not pay. If they have it on the shelf in the shop then they need to come up with a system to keep from selling it twice. A number of sellers do it a number of different ways. Some even have the items in a special display and you can bid on it there in the store. I know one chain of about 20 pawn shops that does not even put them on the shelf. They go straight on GunBroker with no reserve, a reasonable starting price and are sold in 14 days.
I see quite a few auctions where the seller's are stating that they have the item for sale in their store and that they reserve the right to end the auction if they sell it in their store.
Should we be pointing each of these auctions out to support when we come across them?
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Let me be perfectly clear. If you bid on an item with no intention of paying just to mess with the seller, your account will be terminated, no ifs ands or buts. The seller will get the opportunity to explain his actions tomorrow and will be charged the final value fee on the item and collect a negative feedback.
If we just terminate the listing, then he gets no negative reinforcement and will just keep doing the same bad behaviour over and over.
Sounds good. As always I am happy to pay for anything I bid on. I have never engaged in any sort of auction bidding shenanagans. I bid on auctions all the time that are selling cheap in the hopes I get a "steal". When this auction is over I will see if he didn't make a mistake and actually still has the gun and is willing to make good on his auction as he is bound by Gunbroker rules to do. If not I guess I will leave feedback and most likely get MY FIRST negative feedback if he retaliates.
Sorry for ruffling your feathers, CAPT.
I don't own a shop, and if I list something for sale on GB, I sell it.
Here is my question? Plenty of these sales are gun shops, and they say in the listing that the gun is for sale in their shop, and can be sold at anytime. Is this make it OK? Just wondering?
No. Once an item has a valid bid in excess of the reserve (if any) then it is considered sold to the high bidder. Sellers that do not complete auctions are removed from the system just the same as bidders who do not pay. If they have it on the shelf in the shop then they need to come up with a system to keep from selling it twice. A number of sellers do it a number of different ways. Some even have the items in a special display and you can bid on it there in the store. I know one chain of about 20 pawn shops that does not even put them on the shelf. They go straight on GunBroker with no reserve, a reasonable starting price and are sold in 14 days.
I don't own a shop, and if I list something for sale on GB, I sell it.
Here is my question? Plenty of these sales are gun shops, and they say in the listing that the gun is for sale in their shop, and can be sold at anytime. Is this make it OK? Just wondering?
No it does not make it ok, When I list something for sale it comes off the shelf, period. But all the auctions I have ever ran have been penny no reserve so it was pretty much garunteed to sell.
Upper receiver does NOT match (has Colt barrel, however)
Castle Nut's been replaced (who knows what they did to get a staked Castle Nut off?)
Buffer tube's a replacement (to allow for an adjustable stock)
But he's posted again that its already sold.
Tempted to send him a link to this thread.
"Thank you - we are aware of the situation - the seller is obligated to complete the transaction with the winning bidder of the auction."
Why doesn't he close the auction?
He can't.
lol bid that sob up.... then his card will get charged the selling fees
Per CaptFun, that's a very bad idea. [;)]
quote:Originally posted by shootuadeal
Would it be ok to run his bid up to like 4000 dollars so he feels like he missed out on thatt much money plus he is responsible for that much in fees.
You know, just to teach him a lesson[}:)]
vigilante bidders will get terminated faster than sellers that don't complete transactions...
Just saying.
completely overlooked that post
He will most likely tell me im out of luck that he sold it. I guess I will also let him know about how the rules on GB work and if he doesn't fulfill his obligation that he will recieve negative feedback. probably a C or a D since I haven't sent payment and am not out much. It has actually happened to me twice before where the gun was sold before the auction ended, both times after talking to the sellers it was apparant to me that it was an honest mistake.
This is not an honest mistake though, this is blatant disregard for the way Gunbroker works and I'm taking a way out guess that this guy will end up leaving me negative retalitory feedback because I bid on it after he SUPPOSEDLY sold it already.
But, this is the business of GB, and I don't want to step on any toes, so to speak.
You've always been a really cool guy, and I'll respect you in the morning. Oh wait, I mean, I'll respect what ever you do. [:D]
quote:Originally posted by bigoutside
wish you wouldn't.
I'm hoping he has two.
Its me on top.[;)]
Not anymore, if I can get that Colt for $775 I'll be more than satisfied[;)]
You just might get it for $755... !!!
Or well... ONE Just like it... [;)]
Well I believe I'm still high bidder, I will send him an email in the morning asking if the address listed on GB is the correct place to send the money order.
He will most likely tell me im out of luck that he sold it. I guess I will also let him know about how the rules on GB work and if he doesn't fulfill his obligation that he will recieve negative feedback. probably a C or a D since I haven't sent payment and am not out much. It has actually happened to me twice before where the gun was sold before the auction ended, both times after talking to the sellers it was apparant to me that it was an honest mistake.
This is not an honest mistake though, this is blatant disregard for the way Gunbroker works and I'm taking a way out guess that this guy will end up leaving me negative retalitory feedback because I bid on it after he SUPPOSEDLY sold it already.
Somehow.... I don't quite think that the good Cap'n will allow him to do that... Jus'sayin'...
quote:Originally posted by partisan
I don't own a shop, and if I list something for sale on GB, I sell it.
Here is my question? Plenty of these sales are gun shops, and they say in the listing that the gun is for sale in their shop, and can be sold at anytime. Is this make it OK? Just wondering?
No. Once an item has a valid bid in excess of the reserve (if any) then it is considered sold to the high bidder. Sellers that do not complete auctions are removed from the system just the same as bidders who do not pay. If they have it on the shelf in the shop then they need to come up with a system to keep from selling it twice. A number of sellers do it a number of different ways. Some even have the items in a special display and you can bid on it there in the store. I know one chain of about 20 pawn shops that does not even put them on the shelf. They go straight on GunBroker with no reserve, a reasonable starting price and are sold in 14 days.
I see quite a few auctions where the seller's are stating that they have the item for sale in their store and that they reserve the right to end the auction if they sell it in their store.
Should we be pointing each of these auctions out to support when we come across them?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=313328499
"Store has the right to sell in house at anythime and end sell early."