In order to participate in the GunBroker Member forums, you must be logged in with your GunBroker.com account. Click the sign-in button at the top right of the forums page to get connected.

Stolen Gun

jim50jim50 Member Posts: 38 ✭✭
edited March 2015 in General Discussion
Hello All.
The following pistol was stolen in Columbus, Georgia on or about the 15th of April, 2009;
Ruger Blackhawk revolver .45LC, 4 5/8" barrel, sn# 47-94886. This gun is blued but features a custom 5-shot stainless steel non-fluted cylinder. There is also a custom "Bisley" style grip frame and exotic hardwood grips.
Please contact the Columbus GA PD @ (706)653-3400 or 3424 or the owner Mr. Bill "B.J." Snow at (706)576-4390.
Thanks!

vr,
"IrisM"
«1

Comments

  • jim50jim50 Member Posts: 38 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well we had a gun show this weekend, I never tie my handguns.... I have found people buy more if they can pick it up with out askin first... So I say 1 gun in 12 shows i can live with,,,, but i hate thieves. My fault for not tieng them... oh well bababooey happens.... my fault , But I hate to do it but I will have them all tied tommorow
  • jim50jim50 Member Posts: 38 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    when i was stationed in England in the 80s, I had my S & W 29 stole from my dads house, but we did not know about it, I was called in to my commanders office in 85, there was a phone call from the RCM, they wanted to know why I never reported my gun stolen, they found it in a river right down from the place of the crime, my commander was sitting there listening to the whole call, they ask about my gun, I told them to my knowledge my gun was in Florida, I ask hem to call back, I called my dad and ask for him to check my gun, he came back on line, son I dont know what to tell you , your pistol is gone, I told him to call and report it when the RCM called back, I told them everything I knew, I was ask to come to canada, I ask why, They wanted to investigate the shooting, and why my gun was found. I found out the killing took place while I was in England, my passport showed I had not left england, but they still wanted me to come to canada, I refued, my commander told them, I had not left the country since I had got there in 1982. the told my commander the air force is ooking out for there own. my commander told them, if you dont have anything tieing me to the crime, they were barking up the wrong tree. my commander gave me some great advice, dont go to canada. I was suppose to go tdy in the 88, but I informed my squadron commander why I did not want to go, they pulled me off the TDY, the wife wants to go to canada, I told her why we are not going, I told her if she really wants to go, I will wait at the us/canada border.
  • jim50jim50 Member Posts: 38 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Not a good day! Sold a C&R revolver on GB, buyers FFL records it and it comes up stolen in an another state back in the mid 1960s. I bought it thru a legal face to face a couple of yrs. ago in Vermont. Wife is sick and I needed the money so I sold where it would be recorded. Caveate Emptor....
  • jim50jim50 Member Posts: 38 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just saw this add in C/L

    Reward for stolen gun .
    Charter Arms Bulldog ,45 Cal ,double barrell revolver .
    Thinking about chipping in a few bucks just to see it !![;)]
  • jim50jim50 Member Posts: 38 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    i got my browning a bolt 2 stolen out of the back of my truck yesterday in my driveway and am looking for any ideas or advise on how to find it or anything it meant alot my wife bought it for our first anniversy has 2 shells shot thru it
  • jim50jim50 Member Posts: 38 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Last year I had a couple guns and a suppressor stolen from my house. Last week I went to the police dept to register another firearm and had them check about my stuff and the gave me a couple numbers to call. Today a detective called me and said that they do have one of the guns in their procession but they have a letter from the insurance company saying that they have settled the claim with me. Do you think the insurance company will let them release the gun to me or will they keep it
  • jim50jim50 Member Posts: 38 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I won an auction and sent in my local guy's FFL and some postal MO'sThe gun arrived at my FFL dealer's place on 3/4/15.I get a call from my dealer that the ATF called him and told him the gun was stolen and they would send an agent out to pick it up.I never had possession or had received it.
    I called the seller(a very large one on GunBroker)and the seller told me that there would be NO refund and I should be a big boy and eat the 2800 dollar loss.Seller says you own the gun when the auction closes so tough stuff.
    Don't know what to do next.Any advice would be well appreciated.
    Has anyone had anything like this happen on GunBroker?
  • jim50jim50 Member Posts: 38 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    They destroyed the door lock on my pickup and stole my old Smith / Wesson 9mm pistol out of the glove box. It was a Model 39-2, 9m. Just an old truck gun I've had for 35 years, but it was a good shooter.

    The serial number is A 295562. It was stolen from the rural Terre Haute, In. area. Probably on it's way to Chicago by now.
  • tsavo303tsavo303 Member Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    No he warrants that the gun is not stolen. It's his loss
  • m88.358winm88.358win Member Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
  • armilitearmilite Member Posts: 35,490 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You'll have to contact GB customer support on this one.
  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If the seller was a FFL you will get a refund.

    Was it a hand gun or rifle?
  • jim50jim50 Member Posts: 38 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The seller is an FFL and it was a rifle that I won at auction.
  • perry shooterperry shooter Member Posts: 17,105 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    contact support Do you really trust your dealer. ASk yourself how did BATFE find out where it was shipped. batfe does not normally
    take a gun back or have records of stolen guns the police does .
    something DOES NOT SOUND RIGHT [V]
  • 1FMJ1FMJ Member Posts: 1,556 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Who was the seller,so we can all avoid his auctions.Don't need this in my book.<1FMJ>
  • jim50jim50 Member Posts: 38 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I contacted support yesterday and opened a new issue.I have not heard back yet.
  • armilitearmilite Member Posts: 35,490 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by jim50
    I contacted support yesterday and opened a new issue.I have not heard back yet.



    Trust me it can take a while it won't happen over night you will just have to be patient.
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bad deal all around.

    This rifle never should have been through an FFL in the first place.

    Stupid thief.
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • rambo rebelrambo rebel Member Posts: 4,028
    edited November -1
    his response made no sense. "you bought a confiscated gun" ??? that would be impossible wouldn't it?

    also if you are a ffl. and its your rep. on the line wouldn't you get persons info you bought the guns from and also do a back ground check on the guns you just took in to see if they were clean?

    as an individual I have bought private sale guns and sold them here. I could see that happening in that situation. I didn't get sellers info or do a BG check on the fire arm.

    guess I should in the future.

    I would be interested in knowing what is GB policy or recomendation would be in such cases.

    personally I would have offered 1/2 refund since I didn't know.
  • spasmcreekspasmcreek Member Posts: 37,717 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    this seller is a CROOK..turn him in to GB, local cops, ATF, state attorney , everyone else....like he didn't check that high priced firearm ...bet me
  • kimikimi Member Posts: 44,719 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would be more than a little bit worked up by now. Good luck on getting this resovled quickly and to your benefit.
    What's next?
  • Dads3040Dads3040 Member Posts: 13,552 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I bet you get your money back. I kinda doubt CaptFun is going to want GB seen as a place where stolen guns are peddled, and customers take their chances.

    He seems quite a bit brighter than that. [;)]
  • mogley98mogley98 Member Posts: 18,291 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    [:0 That really sucks that you A have to deal with this and the attitude of the vendor. Good luck I also hope it works out for you
    Why don't we go to school and work on the weekends and take the week off!
  • GrasshopperGrasshopper Member Posts: 17,043 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The FFL should be on the hook,,back to where he bought it,,he was the one that started it,,that's a chicken dung thing for him to do,,,attorney maybe needed and he picks up all fees,[|)][B)]
  • CaptFunCaptFun Member Posts: 16,678 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Selling stolen goods across state lines is a felony and will cost the seller his FFL. I have alerted support to the problem. Go ahead and file a fraud claim http://www.GunBroker.com/MySite/MySupport/FileFraudClaim.aspx which will help us document everything.
  • jim50jim50 Member Posts: 38 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I attempted to file a fraud claim yesterday and the system said I could not do it until after 3/25/15.I will try again .Thanks
  • armilitearmilite Member Posts: 35,490 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    He's also violating GB rules by selling guns in his store that have bids on as well.
  • guns-n-painthorsesguns-n-painthorses Member Posts: 6,462 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Now the good Capt has spoken, you are for sure going to get a refund and a big fat "I'm Sorry" from the seller. Seller will be in the doo-doo house over this one.
  • Dads3040Dads3040 Member Posts: 13,552 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sphincters are slamming shut at a certain FFL as we speak. Told you CaptFun was a smart one. [:D]
  • riflemikeriflemike Member Posts: 10,599
    edited November -1
    they should have run a check before they bought the guns.....his name should be .........we buy stolen guns..the captn is gonna frown on this guy on his site...keep us updated
  • CapnMidnightCapnMidnight Member Posts: 8,038 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    That rifle is an antique, should have never gone through an FFL.
    That seller should just piss on the fire and call in the dogs, I do believe the hunt is over.
    W.D.
  • DocDoc Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A dealer should know better than to sell guns without checking on them first. His attitude when you complained was unacceptable.

    I don't know what specific laws apply to guns or FFLs selling across state lines but on any other merchandise you're screwed and that's experience speaking on that one. Cops and prosecutors DON'T CARE if you get ripped off in an Internet sale. They will do NOTHING. Trying to sue across state lines is a loser, too.
    ....................................................................................................
    Too old to live...too young to die...
  • MG1890MG1890 Member Posts: 4,460 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hate to tell ya, but unless the FFL knew the gun was stolen when he sold it to you, whomever had physical possession of the gun upon confiscation is left holding the bag.

    I'v been here myself.

    The RIGHT thing to do id reimburse you. But good luck making him.
  • m88.358winm88.358win Member Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I can't help but feel there is something fishy about this. The guy has a A+ Excellent feedback on every other sales. I'm thinking that this might be some disgruntled employee that started this mess and the owner has no idea what is about to happen.
  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Looking back, paying an extra 3% ($85) to be able to use a credit card would have been cheap insurance, & would have prevented a lot of headaches.

    Check on the gun first? I don't think so; this isn't a firearm, it's an "antique". It wouldn't be on the stolen gun data base, it's not a gun. The 1873 TD was made 1873-1877.

    Neal
  • fideaufideau Member Posts: 11,895 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    So the buyer could just re-list it and when it sold, inform the buyer that the gun was confiscated so screw you. What's the difference?
    It wasn't that this buyer BOUGHT a "confiscated gun". The seller SOLD an alleged stolen gun.
    Dealer owes a refund.
  • jonkjonk Member Posts: 10,121
    edited November -1
    Without knowing the particulars, I rather suspect here's what might have happened:

    1. Perp steals several guns from one gun owner, one of which is the antique trap door. Others are probably modern.
    2. Perp sells guns one way or another.
    3. Owner reports guns stolen. Only modern guns go into database.
    4. Somewhere, somehow, the modern guns get noticed as stolen. Should the seller be blamed? Well, maybe he really did check on the guns he bought and at the time they came up clean. Maybe he didn't check. Who knows?
    5. After those guns were noticed as stolen, he says, "Yeah, and I sold one to guy X on GunBroker last week, here's where it was shipped."

    We don't know that the seller wasn't above board or didn't do due dilligence, nor do we know that he was/did.

    Or:
    1. All guns stolen were antiques.
    2. As such the seller (then buying) didn't log them in.
    3. Only because (for some reason) the gun went through an FFL did it come up as stolen.

    Who knows?

    It could be that all parties behaved according to law and someone is just out $2800. Could be that the seller was a dirtbag. Could be the transfer dealer just stole the gun.

    Will be interested to know if this gets resolved in your favor.
  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    Based on what I know, and the story as told here, the transfer dealer's story stinks to high heaven.
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,540 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Response: (left on 3/4/2015) we are a lisenced gun shop we purchased 5 used guns batf said 3 monthgs later they were stolen and confiscated them he bought one they confiscated that we didnt take it the law took it we all lost


    What is this "WE"? He purchased the firearms to resell. His big problem if he is receiving stolen goods. GB should suspend this moron immediately. I would go to the Post office and ask if the money orders can be stop payment. IF that dealer cashed them after BATFE notified him the guns were hot.. See if the Post office can tell you when they were cashed.

    So the dealer Knew.. that some he purchased were stolen yet went ahead and listed and sold this one anyway. I would call that conversion.. taking and reselling property with knowledge it was stolen.
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sounds like seller took the hit on 4 of the 5 stolen guns and doesn't want to take the hit on all five.

    Would be interesting to know what he paid for stolen guns and how close your $ 2,800.00 comes to making up his loss.
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
Sign In or Register to comment.