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lost a good hound today
bawannabuck
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From a one lane dirt road to a highway.I understand change,I dont understand people.What happend to care and respect?Why cant someone say hey I hit your dog,sorry it ran into the road.I can understand that,however how can you hit a dog and not even bother to see if its suffering?How about the last * that killed my dog and without stopping sued me for the dammage to her car?Something is wrong with the way people think.How can I teach my children to do the right thing when no one cares?
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PS: sorry for the loss of your dog. A good hound is a mans best friend.
As to your questions, it all depends on the circumstances. How do you know that the person wasn't trying to get to the hospital to see a dieing relative? How do you know the person wasn't scared of how the owner would react? If I had a teenager, I would tell them to not stop after hitting an animal until it was safe to do so. If they wanted to go back and talk to the owner, I would accompany them.
As for suing an owner for damage to a vehicle, I could even understand that in certain circumstances. For example, a property that isn't fenced and a dog that consistently goes out onto the road and one day finally gets hit and does serious damage to a vehicle, I think the owner SHOULD be responsible.
The law does not require that you stop after hitting an animal. The fact is, the road is for cars, not dogs. It was an unfortunate situation, but completely understandable from the driver's point of view.
A good friend can't be replaced, but I still suggest getting another dog. They can help to ease the pain.
I'm sorry to hear about this. My condolences to you and your family.
A good friend can't be replaced, but I still suggest getting another dog. They can help to ease the pain.
Agreed James...
And with the times, the old one lane dirt road has become a highway...
Time to get a fence too.
So sorry for your loss... It could have been prevented.
Sorry for your loss.
As to your questions, it all depends on the circumstances. How do you know that the person wasn't trying to get to the hospital to see a dieing relative? How do you know the person wasn't scared of how the owner would react? If I had a teenager, I would tell them to not stop after hitting an animal until it was safe to do so. If they wanted to go back and talk to the owner, I would accompany them.
As for suing an owner for damage to a vehicle, I could even understand that in certain circumstances. For example, a property that isn't fenced and a dog that consistently goes out onto the road and one day finally gets hit and does serious damage to a vehicle, I think the owner SHOULD be responsible.
The law does not require that you stop after hitting an animal. The fact is, the road is for cars, not dogs. It was an unfortunate situation, but completely understandable from the driver's point of view.
Careful....States are different. In NY, you ARE required to stop and report hitting a domesticated or game animal.
quote:Originally posted by calrugerfan
Sorry for your loss.
As to your questions, it all depends on the circumstances. How do you know that the person wasn't trying to get to the hospital to see a dieing relative? How do you know the person wasn't scared of how the owner would react? If I had a teenager, I would tell them to not stop after hitting an animal until it was safe to do so. If they wanted to go back and talk to the owner, I would accompany them.
As for suing an owner for damage to a vehicle, I could even understand that in certain circumstances. For example, a property that isn't fenced and a dog that consistently goes out onto the road and one day finally gets hit and does serious damage to a vehicle, I think the owner SHOULD be responsible.
The law does not require that you stop after hitting an animal. The fact is, the road is for cars, not dogs. It was an unfortunate situation, but completely understandable from the driver's point of view.
Careful....States are different. In NY, you ARE required to stop and report hitting a domesticated or game animal.
Good to know. It's not that way here in California. However, I would tell me kids to break the law. Imagine a 16 year old girl that hits Bubba's favorite * hound after he's had a 6 pack of Pabst for dinner. Sorry, but MY kid is not going to be put in that situation. They can report it from home.
I agree with what you say about people being reluctant to help each other. I think this stems from 2 reasons one, everyone wants a reason to sue everyone else to get rich quick, and the other is we live in a world of sheep, everyone calls the police and waits for "help" to arrive instead of steping in and doing whats right.
I will add, there are people out there willing to do the right thing, it's just getting fewer and further between unfortunately.
Again, I am sorry for your loss, and I personally allow my dogs to run as I also live in the country and I believe people live out here for reasons like letting thier dogs run, kids play, and looking out for one another.
I agree with what you say about people being reluctant to help each other. I think this stems from 2 reasons one, everyone wants a reason to sue everyone else to get rich quick, and the other is we live in a world of sheep, everyone calls the police and waits for "help" to arrive instead of steping in and doing whats right.
I will add, there are people out there willing to do the right thing, it's just getting fewer and further between unfortunately.
I believe that's because there are more and more people willing to do the WRONG thing. I'm going to do everything I can to not allow my family to become a victim. I will stop. But I will always advise my wife or my (hypothetical) children to keep going and only stop when it's safe.
As far as my comment about doing the right/wrong thing, I was referring to the OP story of the woman and the raghead... I should have clarifyed
how in hell is this country gonna get back on track without the vaules of our forfathers?My 3 childern now in there late teens,have not grown with the same vaules I grew-up with.I think they are worse off.They just dont understand what they really are missing.
Is everybody as nice as you? Or do some people over-react to their dog getting hit? Imagine your 16 year old daughter trying to do the right thing and encountering drunk Bubba that is not MAD drunk Bubba because she hit his dog. Do you really want her in that situation?
You will meet him again at the bridge...
Don
in the same token had your dog been chained or fenced in you would still have it
Calrugerfan,No bubba here.Also no leash law here.I live on part of my famleys 250 acre farm.We own land on both sides of the road.Each of my deeds says i own to the centerline of the road.I do understand that the puplic has right of way through my proptery.Not my point,I understand that some people drink.I dont,I happen to be a disabled veteran.I can hardly walk,no threat to anyone.The point here is dogs get killed in the road.I understand that.I cant understand the widespread belif that you can just drive away and feel no shame.
What I am trying to say is that while YOU may be very nice and understanding, others aren't. Unfortunately, there is no way to tell who is good and who isn't from afar. They may actually feel terrible but just because you feel bad, doesn't mean that you risk your own safety (as could be the case if the dog owner was not as nice as you).
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quote:Originally posted by calrugerfan
Sorry for your loss.
As to your questions, it all depends on the circumstances. How do you know that the person wasn't trying to get to the hospital to see a dieing relative? How do you know the person wasn't scared of how the owner would react? If I had a teenager, I would tell them to not stop after hitting an animal until it was safe to do so. If they wanted to go back and talk to the owner, I would accompany them.
As for suing an owner for damage to a vehicle, I could even understand that in certain circumstances. For example, a property that isn't fenced and a dog that consistently goes out onto the road and one day finally gets hit and does serious damage to a vehicle, I think the owner SHOULD be responsible.
The law does not require that you stop after hitting an animal. The fact is, the road is for cars, not dogs. It was an unfortunate situation, but completely understandable from the driver's point of view.
Careful....States are different. In NY, you ARE required to stop and report hitting a domesticated or game animal.
Good to know. It's not that way here in California. However, I would tell me kids to break the law. Imagine a 16 year old girl that hits Bubba's favorite * hound after he's had a 6 pack of Pabst for dinner. Sorry, but MY kid is not going to be put in that situation. They can report it from home.
Actually, it is a law in Cali. to stop when you hit a dog, livestock or wild game animal. But not for cats. That said, if you leave the seen, it's a felony hit and run charge.... But then again, at least your kids will be just like the rest of the population in Cali., Felons[:D]
Calrugerfan,No bubba here.Also no leash law here.I live on part of my famleys 250 acre farm.We own land on both sides of the road.Each of my deeds says i own to the centerline of the road.I do understand that the puplic has right of way through my proptery.Not my point,I understand that some people drink.I dont,I happen to be a disabled veteran.I can hardly walk,no threat to anyone.The point here is dogs get killed in the road.I understand that.I cant understand the widespread belif that you can just drive away and feel no shame.
I understand what you're saying and I agree the right or noble thing to do would be to stop and see if the animal is injured and see if you can locate the owner. I personally have never hit a dog, but I had to knock on a guys door once with his dead dog in my truck because I saw it laying on the side of the road. He was thankful that I did that for him.
At the same time, it seems your dogs hang out in the road and two have been hit. It's time to do something different or it will happen again.
It could be that someone who goes by regularly sees the dog in the road and figures if no one cares he's in the road they must not care too much if he gets hit by a car. Why waste my time with it. I'm not saying it's noble, but thats how a lot of people think.
Anyway, I am sorry for your loss. It's hard enough when they live a long life, let alone when the're gone too soon.
I don't know the laws where you are, but here the owner of the animal can be held liable for damages to vehicles in this situation.
I unfortunately ran over a persons pet while hunting, and stopped in to inform the owner. Wow, that was something else! I understood being upset about the loss of the dog, but this guy harassed us for years after, flipping us the bird, spinning rocks on vehicle, cursing us, called every form of law enforcement agency every time he saw us in the area. What a mess that was. Apparently, the guy had some issues to start with, and that set him off.
Not offering any excuses for the driver who didn't stop, but I have seen the other side of this, gone way wrong. I lost all three of my barn cats in less than a year to the vehicles on the road, not one person ever stopped to tell me. I understand your frustration.
quote:Originally posted by calrugerfan
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
quote:Originally posted by calrugerfan
Sorry for your loss.
As to your questions, it all depends on the circumstances. How do you know that the person wasn't trying to get to the hospital to see a dieing relative? How do you know the person wasn't scared of how the owner would react? If I had a teenager, I would tell them to not stop after hitting an animal until it was safe to do so. If they wanted to go back and talk to the owner, I would accompany them.
As for suing an owner for damage to a vehicle, I could even understand that in certain circumstances. For example, a property that isn't fenced and a dog that consistently goes out onto the road and one day finally gets hit and does serious damage to a vehicle, I think the owner SHOULD be responsible.
The law does not require that you stop after hitting an animal. The fact is, the road is for cars, not dogs. It was an unfortunate situation, but completely understandable from the driver's point of view.
Careful....States are different. In NY, you ARE required to stop and report hitting a domesticated or game animal.
Good to know. It's not that way here in California. However, I would tell me kids to break the law. Imagine a 16 year old girl that hits Bubba's favorite * hound after he's had a 6 pack of Pabst for dinner. Sorry, but MY kid is not going to be put in that situation. They can report it from home.
Actually, it is a law in Cali. to stop when you hit a dog, livestock or wild game animal. But not for cats. That said, if you leave the seen, it's a felony hit and run charge.... But then again, at least your kids will be just like the rest of the population in Cali., Felons[:D]
Upon further research, it COULD actually be a misdemeanor, however, stopping when its safe and reporting it will pretty much help you to avoid any charges. Also, there is no exception for cats. So what's to say that the squirrel that you hit wasn't actually a pet? How would you know if the rabbit that you hit is wild or domestic? The law however, does not actually say that dogs or other pets are considered property. There is case law that would suggest that dogs are property, but again, that can still be argued. It would also bring up the argument of negligence on the part of dog owner or even endangerment for allowing his property to run reckless into the street. And you can bet that I would be pressing charges against the pet owner if it was me or my family on trial.
That being said, my lawyer would rip the case to shreds. I'll take my chances in the courtroom. Jury nullification would probably come into play on that one as well.
Jwb267,Thanks for your wisdom.Perhaps we shall all stay in our houses for fear something bad might happen.Just so you know my 3 dogs got loose.They dont just wander the hood,slurping spiled beer from bubba.Some of the remarks to this post point to what I see as the problem this country faces.Also this is not the first dog to be killed in my 52 years here.Dogs get hit,the way people act afterwords that is what has changed.
The way people act when hitting a dog has changed because the way SOME society members act when having their dog hit has changed. Read 76k20's story. People in general suck now. And it's not just younger people. Old people now feel that they have earned the right to be grumpy and just generally rude. Yes, you served our country and fought in a war, and I thank you for that. However, that does not give you the right to be a jerk to the world now.
Calrugerfan,perhaps its my sence of loss after 12 years of my hound jess.Maybe my bond with her after giving two of her first litter mouth to mouth.To me you sound just like someone from cali.RUN dont walk to your nearest lawyer and sue sue.I am shure in cali you could find a laywer to aviod charges,and even make you some cash.Is cash a replacment for doing right?
You're still not listening. Charges are the LEAST of my concern. The safety of ME and MINE is more important to me than YOUR FEELINGS. It has nothing to do with me being from California. People in general suck now and they don't react well. Did you read the story that 76k20 posted? His story is the EXACT reason that I don't care about YOUR feelings when it's my wife or daughter alone. I even told you that I would go back with them to talk to the owner, but they are not going alone. Would you let YOUR wife or daughter go up to some stranger's house and tell them something that will almost definitely upset them?
And just to clarify, I'm a dog lover. I have 2 dogs and they are like my kids (since I don't have any). I have also hit a dog before. It didn't die. I turned around as soon as I could. The idiot owners were outside letting the dog run loose on a street with a 55 mph speed limit. When I got back to them, I asked if the dog was ok (it wasn't a direct hit). Their response, "Oh don't worry, this isn't the first time he's been hit."
Let me reiterate. I'll do the right thing, but in a controlled and safe environment. Stop trying to use California as a scapegoat for not being willing to accept the truth. The fact is that a lot of people don't react well and I won't put my family's safety in jeopardy over a dog.
caligirl-what have I said that makes you say I am a jerk to the world?I went to cal. years ago with my wife for her work.We went out for dinner,when we left I saw a woman looking for smokes in the asstray outside.I gave her the smokes i had ,I also gave her the the to go food we had leftover from dinner.The busboy asked me if she had bothered me,and told me he had called the cops.I told him I was never going back to that place agin.And you know what its beacuse of people that think as you do that I am happy to be in the country.
Again, you're STILL not listening. I never said that YOU are a jerk. I said that other people are not as nice as you. The problem is that there is no way to tell the good from the bad until it is too late. Because of that, I won't let my wife or family go without me there. You obviously would have been understanding if the person came back. But how is that person to know that? Maybe it was the daughter of somebody that had an experience like 76k20 and is afraid of it happening to her too.
I've given my leftovers to homeless people as well. Heck, I just did it a couple weekends ago in SLC when we ordered pizza in our hotel, didn't finish it and had no fridge in the room.
Ok calruger,if someone hits your dog or nice or family freind.Your welcome to sue them,hide in your home,or gasp fire two warning shots one to the head and two to the chest.
I'm going to just chalk this up to you being emotional because you obviously haven't read what I've typed. AT ALL. FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS THREAD.
Sorry for your loss. When you get over it, go back and read this thread and you'll understand why somebody could be scared to go back and talk to a dog owner about hitting their dog.
If you love your dogs so much, invest in a fence or a perimeter electronic collar than you won't have to mourn the loss of your four legged buddy. I see it all the time here, people who live out in the country let their dogs wander the roads and many times the dog gets hit by a car. I feel for your loss but you are respnsible for the health and welfare of your animal.
He said that they got out. He doesn't strike me as one of those guys that just lets it wander loose.
quote:Originally posted by bawannabuck
Calrugerfan,perhaps its my sence of loss after 12 years of my hound jess.Maybe my bond with her after giving two of her first litter mouth to mouth.To me you sound just like someone from cali.RUN dont walk to your nearest lawyer and sue sue.I am shure in cali you could find a laywer to aviod charges,and even make you some cash.Is cash a replacment for doing right?
You're still not listening. Charges are the LEAST of my concern. The safety of ME and MINE is more important to me than YOUR FEELINGS. It has nothing to do with me being from California. People in general suck now and they don't react well. Did you read the story that 76k20 posted? His story is the EXACT reason that I don't care about YOUR feelings when it's my wife or daughter alone. I even told you that I would go back with them to talk to the owner, but they are not going alone. Would you let YOUR wife or daughter go up to some stranger's house and tell them something that will almost definitely upset them?
And just to clarify, I'm a dog lover. I have 2 dogs and they are like my kids (since I don't have any). I have also hit a dog before. It didn't die. I turned around as soon as I could. The idiot owners were outside letting the dog run loose on a street with a 55 mph speed limit. When I got back to them, I asked if the dog was ok (it wasn't a direct hit). Their response, "Oh don't worry, this isn't the first time he's been hit."
Let me reiterate. I'll do the right thing, but in a controlled and safe environment. Stop trying to use California as a scapegoat for not being willing to accept the truth. The fact is that a lot of people don't react well and I won't put my family's safety in jeopardy over a dog.
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