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greetings, aglore i agree with you on fidelity but disagree with your interpertation of the constitution, the only thing the constitution limits is it's own scope, thats why all the articals are spelled out. whereas the bill of rights are reconized by that constitution as self evident, and are only limited by what falls within the sphere of government. those are spelled out in the articals, for instantance no one or state can sign a treaty witha foriegn country, why because it is spelled out in the articals. the framers knew there might be some confusion and they feared the majority or the states or the central gov' mite trample on those right so they drafted the 9th and 10th amendments to forstall that. respt submitted dads-freehold
FREEHOLD YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME TRYING TO TELL AL GORE THE CORRECT INTERPRETATION OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS. hE THINKS ON THE SAME GROUNDS AS HILARY, SHUMER, FEINSTEIN AND CO.
When Clinton left office they gave him a 21 gun salute. Its a damn shame they all missed....
The velvet trap is easier to get into than out of. Morality aside, the attachement with the sex partner will progressively strengthen while the marital attachement will weaken and threaten the marriage. It's built into the species for protection of the unborn.
I also believe the wife bears some of the responsibility to have her hysterectomy adhesions surgically corrected and be made aware of her sexual responsibilities.
Go home to the wife, WORK through the problem & like v35 stated, "the wife bears some of the responsibility to have her hysterectomy adhesions surgically corrected and be made aware of her sexual responsibilities."
She may never realize it if she is never made aware that it is such an immense problem.
Man, some of you are really wrapped up in your idea of what is right and wrong, morally, ethically, or religiously. No one here has even made mention of what is acceptable in other societies, and that is quite surprising, given the fact that a lot of you are very intelligent, and well studied. My opinion of what is right and wrong doesnt matter. I just want to point out to all the people of strong moral conviction one thing. You get you ideas of right and wrong from your religion, most of you. Your religion most likely is based on the bible we all know as the bible. That bible has in itself some very strange examples of polygamy, for being such a moral and upright book, as well as an example of how our fine men were so holy. Now take it as you will, but I think the bible is open to interpretation, and exactly why there isnt a chapter in the New Testament condemning the Old Testament ways, I dont know, but the New Testament has a serious conflict with the Old, unless it doesnt specifically say in the New that you cant have more than one wife, I'm not really sure, as I've never considered myself able to support more than one, and its illegal.
There are also many societies, modern societies, though they may be rather odd at that, which permit the taking of numerous wives, and others that outright condone mistresses. That being the case, let me just say that I dont think a man in this position is exactly wrong just because of our societies' ethical take on the situation, either through our moral upbringing, or religious beliefs. Every circumstance is different, and we all make allowances for special situations when it suits us, but are so quick to condemn others when we see fit. I'm not for the moral degradation of our society, as seems to be occuring lately, but I'm sure not going to be the man sitting around judging someone's ethics, when I myself can never be perfect either. Anyone been in this situation? Probably not. What if your wife told you to get a girl friend, because she loved you, and really believed that to be happy you needed sex that she couldnt provide, and sincerely meant it, and would in no way be affected by your doing so? Then would it be ok? There are so many circumstances, so many possibilities. Some will say that in that instance it wouldnt be infidelity, that it would be consensual sex between two people, with your wifes permission. What IF the fella loved his wife so much, but just had to have sex, and was able to successfully hide it from his wife even after his/her death, that he did this to be there for her till death do they part, because he did not want to leave her? The arguments are endless, the opinions varied, bottom line is, live with your decisions, live with the results, live with your concience, answer to your God, but judge no man in this type of case, because its not you, and until it is you never know what you would do. Some of you will say you know exactly what you would do, great, I wish I could see into the future.
Me and the wife were talking, and I thought of another thing. We all know how things use to be, you know, back about 40 years ago. People couldnt get a divorce without people gossiping about them, it wasnt even heard of really, now its odd to find someone who isnt divorced. Speaking of being gay was in no way, no how ever done. No one knew someone gay, and if you did you probably were too, if you wernt you did your best to put as much distance between the two of you as possible. Gay people didnt 'come out of the closet', they were trying to figure a way to build a bigger one so their mate could stay in it with them. Where I'm going with this is here, 50 years ago or less things were a certain way that no one could think of changing, now things have changed so much we cant believe it ever was as it was then. Who knows what it will be like 50 years from now? It might be that monogamy is the oddity, heterosexuals are the oddity, and anyone getting married is unheard of. We've already got gay men getting married and getting health benefits as a spouse through insurance policies from employers. Isnt it amazing how societies change, adapt, and modify laws to accept what was once thought of as immoral, nearly illegal? Oh well, along with old age comes death, I wont have to put up with this for eternity.
Young single girls are fabulous, but I see them a little differently now, knowing that they are all put here to be beautiful by nature in order to attract a mate, following which they will have to push several watermelon-sized kids down that little chute.
Whether two people are married or not, and regardless of right and wrong, two people partner and grow more intimate and exclusive as they trust more and more, and count on each other more and more. Some folks believe this sort of thing leads naturally to marriage, others believe in living together, but I think we can all agree there is are some assumptions made by both halves of the hook-up.
I don't like liars. Maybe that's just me, but if you can do what you believe is "okay" without the other person feeling betrayed, I say knock yourself out. Let me quote one earlier sentence: "If the woman cannot live up to her wifely duties it is ok for the man to seek comfort outside of the marriage." I say cool, as long as she's on board with it. That means it is also true that "if the husband isn't taking care of business to the wife's satisfaction, it is okay for her to make up the difference outside of the marriage." What? You haven't made that deal? Ooops. Then only half the required votes are in. If you can get her to agree, great. Then it's true, in your case.
Serious relationships are based on trust. Monogamy comes with that naturally, once two people start sleeping together. If you don't have trust, you don't have a relationship -- just a roommate. That's not a morality question. That's purely adding 1 plus 1 and getting 2. Before you disagree, don't forget to ask the mate if she agrees with you.
- Life NRA Member
"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
An ex-girlfriend of mine is a very sweet girl who I am still very fond of. After we broke up she married another guy. After six years of happy marriage, her husband got paralyzed. Quadreplegic, he couldn't even scratch his own nose. About a year after that occurred, I had lunch with her. I told her that she should talk to her husband about going out and having a boyfriend. I told her that were I in her husband's place that I would have given her clearance for this, first thing. Otherwise, the selfish husband would be sentencing a beautiful 32 year old girl to a future without sex. Well about 6 months later I ran into her and she said she had a talk with her husband and he said, yes, it was ok. So she discreetly got a boyfriend, and she and her husband stayed together for 6 more years until he died from pneumonia.
"Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
Hey Ryan, one presumes that these hypothetical folks are here in the U.S. of A. since the introduction does not specify other wise. Therefor what is considered right among the Inuit or Japanese or Warani doesn't obtain. You are certainly correct that right and wrong are not imutable, there are different takes on this thread, much less among other cultures.
....a constitutional right to cheat on your wife. Now thats precious. That has to be the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
Dadsfreehold- X Ring on your constitutional explanation.
"The powers delegated by the proposed constitution to the federal governmentare few and defined, and will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace negotiation, and foreign commerce"
-James Madison
What's even more precious is those that claim the Govt. doesn't have the right to ban certain firearms. But none of them have the gonads enough to put their money where their mouth is to prove it in a court of law. Talk is cheap.
Now we are equating the right to bear arms with the right to cheat on your wife.
Just when I thought you couldnt get any more ridiculous AlGore, you come up with that.
"The powers delegated by the proposed constitution to the federal governmentare few and defined, and will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace negotiation, and foreign commerce"
-James Madison
How would he feel if the situation were reversed and he couldn't give her the physical comfort she needed. Would he be able to take the nowledge if/WHEN he found out.
My marriage vows included, "In sickness and in health...Till death do us part"
Even if she could forgive me, I couldn't live with myself.
mcneely77, I just wanted to give you some scriptures that might help you. I don't know if you will look at it, but the bible has some good points that might help you and your wife. I should not have judge you; I am sorry if I have. I hope that this might help. You wanted help that's why you came to us,not for us to tear you down. So I hope this helps. If you have a bible at home; check some of the scriptures out, ok!
James 5:16 : Therefore openly confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may get healed. A righteous man's supplication when it is at work, has much force.
(Saying sorry with sincerity, "Sorry for hurting you", takes humiliy and courage.)
1 Corinthians 7:3 "let the husband render to his wife also likewise to her husband. Emphasis on giving and not on demanding. Having concern about the good of the other.
1 Peter 3:7 You husband, continue dwelling in like manner with them according to knowledge, assigning them honor, as to a weaker vessel, the feminine one , since you are also heirs with them of the underserved flavor of life, in order for your prayers not to be hinderd. (Bible commands husbands to deal with their wives "according to Knowledge)
Wife is not treated tenderly, she may find it difficult to enjoy this aspect of marriage.Both partners should frankly discuss the situation and agree by mutual consent. 1 Corinthians 7:5
I hope this help. Sorry if judge you and your wife.
SIG pistol armorer/FFL Dealer/Full time Peace Officer, Moderator of General Discussion Board on Gunbroker. Visit www.gunbroker.com, the best gun auction site on the Net! Email davidnunn@texoma.net
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When Clinton left office they gave him a 21 gun salute. Its a damn shame they all missed....
I also believe the wife bears some of the responsibility to have her hysterectomy adhesions surgically corrected and be made aware of her sexual responsibilities.
Go home to the wife, WORK through the problem & like v35 stated, "the wife bears some of the responsibility to have her hysterectomy adhesions surgically corrected and be made aware of her sexual responsibilities."
She may never realize it if she is never made aware that it is such an immense problem.
Reserving my Right to Arm Bears!!!!
AlleninAlaska
http://www.outdoor-o-rama.com
He who dares not offend cannot be honest.
-- Thomas Paine
There are also many societies, modern societies, though they may be rather odd at that, which permit the taking of numerous wives, and others that outright condone mistresses. That being the case, let me just say that I dont think a man in this position is exactly wrong just because of our societies' ethical take on the situation, either through our moral upbringing, or religious beliefs. Every circumstance is different, and we all make allowances for special situations when it suits us, but are so quick to condemn others when we see fit. I'm not for the moral degradation of our society, as seems to be occuring lately, but I'm sure not going to be the man sitting around judging someone's ethics, when I myself can never be perfect either. Anyone been in this situation? Probably not. What if your wife told you to get a girl friend, because she loved you, and really believed that to be happy you needed sex that she couldnt provide, and sincerely meant it, and would in no way be affected by your doing so? Then would it be ok? There are so many circumstances, so many possibilities. Some will say that in that instance it wouldnt be infidelity, that it would be consensual sex between two people, with your wifes permission. What IF the fella loved his wife so much, but just had to have sex, and was able to successfully hide it from his wife even after his/her death, that he did this to be there for her till death do they part, because he did not want to leave her? The arguments are endless, the opinions varied, bottom line is, live with your decisions, live with the results, live with your concience, answer to your God, but judge no man in this type of case, because its not you, and until it is you never know what you would do. Some of you will say you know exactly what you would do, great, I wish I could see into the future.
Me and the wife were talking, and I thought of another thing. We all know how things use to be, you know, back about 40 years ago. People couldnt get a divorce without people gossiping about them, it wasnt even heard of really, now its odd to find someone who isnt divorced. Speaking of being gay was in no way, no how ever done. No one knew someone gay, and if you did you probably were too, if you wernt you did your best to put as much distance between the two of you as possible. Gay people didnt 'come out of the closet', they were trying to figure a way to build a bigger one so their mate could stay in it with them. Where I'm going with this is here, 50 years ago or less things were a certain way that no one could think of changing, now things have changed so much we cant believe it ever was as it was then. Who knows what it will be like 50 years from now? It might be that monogamy is the oddity, heterosexuals are the oddity, and anyone getting married is unheard of. We've already got gay men getting married and getting health benefits as a spouse through insurance policies from employers. Isnt it amazing how societies change, adapt, and modify laws to accept what was once thought of as immoral, nearly illegal? Oh well, along with old age comes death, I wont have to put up with this for eternity.
SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
Edited by - robsguns on 08/21/2002 17:53:03
Whether two people are married or not, and regardless of right and wrong, two people partner and grow more intimate and exclusive as they trust more and more, and count on each other more and more. Some folks believe this sort of thing leads naturally to marriage, others believe in living together, but I think we can all agree there is are some assumptions made by both halves of the hook-up.
I don't like liars. Maybe that's just me, but if you can do what you believe is "okay" without the other person feeling betrayed, I say knock yourself out. Let me quote one earlier sentence: "If the woman cannot live up to her wifely duties it is ok for the man to seek comfort outside of the marriage." I say cool, as long as she's on board with it. That means it is also true that "if the husband isn't taking care of business to the wife's satisfaction, it is okay for her to make up the difference outside of the marriage." What? You haven't made that deal? Ooops. Then only half the required votes are in. If you can get her to agree, great. Then it's true, in your case.
Serious relationships are based on trust. Monogamy comes with that naturally, once two people start sleeping together. If you don't have trust, you don't have a relationship -- just a roommate. That's not a morality question. That's purely adding 1 plus 1 and getting 2. Before you disagree, don't forget to ask the mate if she agrees with you.
- Life NRA Member
"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
"Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
A balanced diet is a cookie in each hand
Dadsfreehold- X Ring on your constitutional explanation.
"The powers delegated by the proposed constitution to the federal governmentare few and defined, and will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace negotiation, and foreign commerce"
-James Madison
AlleninAlaska
http://www.outdoor-o-rama.com
He who dares not offend cannot be honest.
-- Thomas Paine
Just when I thought you couldnt get any more ridiculous AlGore, you come up with that.
"The powers delegated by the proposed constitution to the federal governmentare few and defined, and will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace negotiation, and foreign commerce"
-James Madison
My marriage vows included, "In sickness and in health...Till death do us part"
Even if she could forgive me, I couldn't live with myself.
James 5:16 : Therefore openly confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may get healed. A righteous man's supplication when it is at work, has much force.
(Saying sorry with sincerity, "Sorry for hurting you", takes humiliy and courage.)
1 Corinthians 7:3 "let the husband render to his wife also likewise to her husband. Emphasis on giving and not on demanding. Having concern about the good of the other.
1 Peter 3:7 You husband, continue dwelling in like manner with them according to knowledge, assigning them honor, as to a weaker vessel, the feminine one , since you are also heirs with them of the underserved flavor of life, in order for your prayers not to be hinderd. (Bible commands husbands to deal with their wives "according to Knowledge)
Wife is not treated tenderly, she may find it difficult to enjoy this aspect of marriage.Both partners should frankly discuss the situation and agree by mutual consent. 1 Corinthians 7:5
I hope this help. Sorry if judge you and your wife.
Jim
"De Oppresso Liber"
Let's go on to something else.
SIG pistol armorer/FFL Dealer/Full time Peace Officer, Moderator of General Discussion Board on Gunbroker. Visit www.gunbroker.com, the best gun auction site on the Net! Email davidnunn@texoma.net