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Burying guns..

daddodaddo Member Posts: 3,408
edited May 2002 in General Discussion
Read on another site, that some are burying their guns in the ground in 8" pvc pipe to keep them out of certain hands. Is this a new fad?
Is this practicle and usual? I haven't reached a conclusion yet.
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  • Evil ATFEvil ATF Member Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It's favored by some. It all depends on your philosophy.

    I've got an item or two tucked away underground and well away from the home...just in case.

    If you are serious about learning exactly how to do it, let me know and I'll drop some instructions for you here.

    Stand And Be Counted
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  • RockinURockinU Member Posts: 248 ✭
    edited November -1
    I'm assuming that we don't want to do this with our more expensive, or favorite guns?
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  • Josey1Josey1 Member Posts: 9,598 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Whenever the ATF searches a property for illegal firearms the ALWAYS check the property with metal detectors.They have one type that scans a 15'X15' area with one scan.Those two guys who ran that campground for ex and current hippies that died in a shootout with the Feds,had several weapons burried around their property and they found them all.I think it was called "The Rainbow Farm",anyway if they ever get a reason to come and confiscate your firearms all burrying them will do is give them a hard time.Why bury them out of your immediate access?I mean do you really want to live in an America whose Government would strip your RTKBA and begin confiscation?Better to go out with some noise,standing up for your god given rights.I do know that some of my neighbors IN MY GENERAL AREA have burried ammo in PVC tubes at strategic spots on their property.

    "If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878

    Edited by - Josey1 on 05/26/2002 07:24:11
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  • RembrandtRembrandt Member Posts: 4,486 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Think I'll get me a metal detector and shovel....hummm? uh huh....gonna go out and find some "nightcrawlers"......
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  • IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I know for a fact there are many people in my area who have done as Evil has. If I should ever opt for this, I'd make damn sure the Gestapo couldn't find them easily, if at all. Given the intelligence levels demonstrated by ATF & their ilk, it shouldn't be too hard.
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  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    Why not bury them right up against a metal well pipe or something like that?

    They might disregard it if they think it's just the piping. Or they might dig it up anyway. They're in no hurry by that point, I'm sure.

    Or they could use a vibration bounce-back type sensor and find it and every rock buried under your lawn.
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  • pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,844 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    This has been going on for years. Most people I know do not bury them on their own property, they bury them on National Forest land, state parks, or somewhere similar, always with enough ammo to make it useful if they ever had to dig them up. Only problem is when that person passes on, no one will know where they are buried. 3000 years from now, in some future dig, someone will find one and wonder what the heck this thing is. I wonder if the powder and primer will still work?

    If I knew then, what I know now.
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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    This gives me some really good ideas of how to screw with them. I envision me getting bored some rainy day, and going out and digging many holes with the kids, putting some 6" pieces of pipe in each one, about 12" under. I can just envision the feds. trying to figure out the futility in digging up four dozen pieces of 6" pipe, just to find one gun.

    For those of you with land, I got another idea. Like my wife's garandfather, who never gets rid of his old vehicles, he just parks them in the field out back, try this one. You could bury the guns under the vehicles, just be sure to be able to move them later, or keep them very close to the surface, with the vehicle on blocks, so you could get under it and just scrape a little dirt off the top of them. I dont see the feds. as all that industrious enough to try and look for them under the junk sitting in someones field, but you never know. This probably isnt a bad idea for the farmers with old equipment sitting around rusting either.
    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC

    Edited by - robsguns on 05/26/2002 13:56:00
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  • COONASSCOONASS Member Posts: 2,068 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I hope my blinders are not on , I can't invision "someone" feds or whomever coming to my home and taking all my guns......My guns will stay locked and loaded for the protection of my family in my home..No one will ever knock on my door and take my guns......It's just that simple .....I'm not tring to sound arrogant but my guns as long as I don't abuse my gun rights are my rights to keep everyone of them...
    The water table here is about two feet and the humidity is from 100% to 75% on avg. A gun in the ground in a short time would be a pile of rust.

    coonass

    "A man is known by the
    company his mind keeps."
    T.A. Aldrich
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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Coonass,
    Do not forget one thing, which I had been overlooking, until someone unpleasantly reminded me of it. When they come for your guns, every one says I'll take some of them with me, blah blah blah. Well, fact of the matter is this. When they come, they will most likely watch and see when you leave, and come take them with a warrant which will not make it required for you to be there. You will come home to a broken door jam, and think that your house has been broken into, see that your guns, even the ones in your safe are missing, and then see the note that was left by the Feds., thanking you for giving them a reason to come and arrest you later. Your safe will not stop them, you will not stop them, nothing will stop them. FACT
    It may take them a while to do this all across the nation, but it doesnt seem to bother them that they've been waging an unsuccessful war on drugs in much the same manner for how many years? It'll be great job security for the ATF, and they will be more than happy to make press releases every now and then talking of how many guns have been taken and chopped up, and how no one has lost a life, no shots have been fired, blah blah blah.

    FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    OK Rob, for the sake of argument, how will it be different after you did up the stash?
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  • COONASSCOONASS Member Posts: 2,068 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Robsguns......Yes I did think of this.......I really didn't like responding to this thread , because I know there are the wrong "type" of people listening so to speak...... If this invasion ever happens, word would travel fast.....then a lot of stuff would be hidden....I heard just today on CNN , some of the people responsible for the Ruby Ridge invasion received metals.......And I said this once before on GB. There's not a horse that can't be rode or a man that can't be thrown..........I just don't like hearing people panicking over something that might happen.....I rather consentrate on thinks that will happen.............


    coonass

    "A man is known by the
    company his mind keeps."
    T.A. Aldrich
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  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,622 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Evil ATF I'm interested. Give us the scoop.

    "Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Buy large quantities of nails. Go to the location where you plan to bury the goods. Bury the "goods" vertically--not horizontally. Next, cover a few hundred square meters with evenly spaced piles of nails buried 12 - 24 inches deep. They'll eventually get sick of it and go home.

    SSG idsman75, U.S. ARMY
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  • Josey1Josey1 Member Posts: 9,598 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The bottom line is ,all out confiscation can NEVER HAPPEN IN THE U.S.A. UNTIL THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS REPEALED.For the 2nd amendment to be repealed they would first have to repeal the non-registration act and institute full registration.By the time this all goes down we will have plenty time to act in whatever manner you see fit,up to and including burrying them.I will start digging holes when they tell me I have to register my firearms but until then they stay in the safe,safe and sound.I will be long past dead by the time this could ever happen(hopefully from old age) and when I go I think I'll give my sons the good firearms and be burried with the rest.Take them with me,so to speak

    "If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878

    Edited by - Josey1 on 05/26/2002 16:32:57
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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    He Dog,
    Rephrase please, call me stupid, but I'm not tracking with you.

    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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  • jimbo13jimbo13 Member Posts: 4 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    If the government wants the guns it actually will be pretty easy buried or not. Imagine that on a cold winter morning you wake up with the family and there are no lights, no water, no gas and no phone. All utilities have been cut off. So the ones that have a battery powered radios flip it on and here that the government wants all weapons turned in immediately. They give you a place and time to bring them for turn in. The ones that did prepare for such an event will be able to heat their homes, have lights and eat. For awhile. Meanwhile the rest of us go to fill up our vehicles and find a tank there guarding the pumps. You cannot buy gas. So you decide to make a run to the grocery store to stock up on food. Again, another tank with national guard troops. No groceries. You go home and dig up your guns and ammo. When the tank pulls up to your door and wants your weapons do you think you will fight back with your 30-06 while you family is cold and hungry? As the tank moves down the block you see the ones that decide to fight get blown to bits. By the time they get to you I bet your guns will be piled up in the front yard. Neighbors that are cold and hungry will find the ones that have been prepared and overwhelm them for their food and heat source. There will be many more that are unprepared than prepared. Sounds easy, and it would be. There would be some that would fight back, but they have never gone against a well trained military unit. You would not last long. When was the last time you saw national guard, army reserve, etc. training outside their unit headquarters. The units in my area all have a new inside training facility. Just ask one of these guys what they are training for. They are training to take you out, not to keep terrorist from invading the country. They do not want you to see what they are doing. To the ones that say they will fight, good luck and good bye. Unless the nation is 100% prepared to fight back in such a case then we are done for. Well, it could happen and aliens could land at disney land. Who knows!!!

    jim messer
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  • seductiveoneseductiveone Member Posts: 159 ✭
    edited November -1
    Jimbo13- I really doubt that the gov will that far! Unless the take away the right to vote, they will piss of alot of non-gun owners, and will not be in office for vary long.


    "Respect my authority"
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  • mousemouse Member Posts: 3,624
    edited November -1
    Nice to see your all awake here.

    How about those bags they sell all home shopping network, that you suck all the air out of? Then cover them with oil cloth of somekind?
    I like the vertical dig idea and the nails. Do you think the bags with all the oxygen sucked out ;would work to prevent rust?

    I personally hope; there are men stock piling some major weapons. They have your phone taped with echelon anyway, so who cares if they are listening?

    It sickens me that anyone recieved a metal for Ruby Ridge. Wonder how they can live with themselves?
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  • Evil ATFEvil ATF Member Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "The water table here is about two feet and the humidity is from 100% to 75% on avg. A gun in the ground in a short time would be a pile of rust."

    For the most part, weather is irrelevent. I live in the Pacific Northwest...we're famous for our rain.

    There are many cost-effective ways to bury your good stuff off your property (as I already mentioned, but the importance of that factoid can't be stressed enough) without it degrading into a pile of rusty cheese and polymer.

    Let me type something up and I'll copy and paste the instructions on how to do the cache properly so your Super Match M1A still shines after 10 years in the dirt.

    Stand And Be Counted
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  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    Governer Keating,Okla.,was pinning medals on the chests of Lon wHoriouchi and other fedgov.marschals involved in Ruby Ridge at about the same time the fedgov was paying Randy Weavers girls 3.1 million to shut up and go away.
    Really made me proud to live in Okla.

    God,Guts,& GunsHave we lost all 3 ??
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  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,622 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A medal for Lon Horiuchi? I am gonna puke. He is the SWAT sniper/warrior who shot a woman in the head [missed the baby she was holding, I guess the baby looked like an assault rifle through that 10x scope]. That guy almost got indicted for murder.

    "Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
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  • jager22jager22 Member Posts: 197 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    old surplus sonobuoy tubes with a little cosmoline work well..you can get em in most military surplus catalogs...who said we wont be able to fight against a trained military? iam glad they didnt tell our forfathers that...besides if our own military is turned agains us to get our guns or anything else for that matter, morale will be low and defection will be high
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  • 96harley96harley Member Posts: 3,992 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Raise Hogs? Answer no? Then start and when you do, just bury them right in the middle of the hog lot. No self respecting fed is going to
    dig through pig poopy to find your hog leg.
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  • Evil ATFEvil ATF Member Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well Hell! If I had enough property to raise hogs, then I wouldn't have to worry about burying my guns!

    Some may understand...some may not. Depends on how well read you are. :-)

    Stand And Be Counted
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  • seductiveoneseductiveone Member Posts: 159 ✭
    edited November -1
    I dont have enough guns to bury yet. Only at 5. need bout 30 then I'll bury bout 15 of them!



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  • shoottilltheneighborscallthesherrifshoottilltheneighborscallthesherrif Member Posts: 85 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    GO DANGIT 96, THAT WAS AWESOME! I love the pig poopy idea! I have a few acres so all you guys can burry yer guns here if you want. Just make sure that they are your best guns, with lots of ammo.

    LIKTOSHOOT, you too had a good idea.

    I still think you all watch too much T.V. Like i said on another thread, please, no more "Movies for guys who like Movies". thank you!
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  • Evil ATFEvil ATF Member Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't watch TV, other than the news and the Discovery Channel.

    And I'm not drawing my info from movies, but rather history which hasa nasty tendancy to repeat itself.

    Stand And Be Counted
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  • shoottilltheneighborscallthesherrifshoottilltheneighborscallthesherrif Member Posts: 85 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Every single person here had a good point and i do agree that we all will have to defend our homes one day but let's not get carried away. If we get eachother all freaked out we'll never stay strong, and we are all gonna need eachother as we will be fighting for the same thing, our homes, our freedom, our family, and our friends.

    I just feel sorry for my neighbor as he has one crappy 9mm and can't practice on my property anymore cus his wife calls the sheriff every time i fart.
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  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,622 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    ATF, I am waiting for those cut and paste instructions.

    "Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
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  • daddodaddo Member Posts: 3,408
    edited November -1
    Was actually not talking of burying all of your guns, just emergency weapons/ammo.
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  • RosieRosie Member Posts: 14,525 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Your time would be better spent working and supporting our right to bear arms than running around hiding your guns. I have heard this crap all my life and it seems as though a lot of people want something to happen. I would bet that 99% of those who keep yapping would piss their pants and run like hell if it did happen.
    Human nature 101
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  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,622 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    While awaiting the more definitive answer from others, daddo, I will say that you can get a big section of heavy PVC pipe, like 6". Get those end caps, get the primer and the adhesive. Put some of those dessicant [moisture absorber] packs in there. If you wound up with two or three sections of pipe, it would make sense to put matching gun and ammo in the same pipe. I think it would make a lot of sense to get one of those vacuum seal machines. They make "tubes" of the bag material that are 20ft, 50 ft long. So you could put even a long gun in a sealed heavy plastic bag, then into the tube. You wouldn't really need to shrink wrap it, just get a lot of the air out. Think of it as though you were going to put a rifle in a closet and not mess with it for 5 years. You know if you put a good coat of gun oil on it, or WD40, it would be fine. Well, sealed in plastic in a tube underground is better, because there is no change in the air, thus no fresh supply of humidity. I stand to be corrected by any who may know more than me. Also, underground would be the perfect environment for ammo, cool and dark. These PVC pipes are designed to be underground and hold pressurized water so they should hold up "forever" under these less stressful conditions. ps according to my calculations if you use 6" pipe you will have to take the scopes off. Also, these ATF metal detectors sound like a * so I don't know what to say about that, I like the pig pen trick, that pig sh** stinks.

    "Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
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  • Evil ATFEvil ATF Member Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Allen:
    I have not had a chance to type them up. I'll get them online sometime in the next few days. I'll make a special thread just for the instructions with your name in the title.

    As mentioned, we're not talking about burying all your guns...just enough stuff like food, a couple SKS's/AR's/AK's (whichever you prefer), a case of ammo and some cash.

    There are many good reasons for doing this. Your home could burn down, taking your weaponary/supplies/collection with it, natural disaster of some kind, martial law, a shooting where the investigators take everything in the home, etc. etc.

    I just consider it another kind of insurance. Do you insure your home and car, Rosie, or would that be just plain crazy cause chances are you home isn't going to burn down...true?

    Nobody I know or associate with hopes these things and others will come to pass. We pray that they do not. However, we see it as being inevitable. You may piss your pants when the SHTF, but there are those of us who are ready to stand and be counted.

    Feel free to express your opinion, but stop acting like a prick and bad-mouthing those of us that actually have our eyes open, sheep.



    Stand And Be Counted
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  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,622 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks ATF. Yeah, I'm not talking about burying all your guns, but as you say there are lots of reasons to bury a few. One scenario is what our own government predicted this week: more terrorist strikes will certainly happen. If this should include a "suitcast nuke" attack, say one in Manhattan and another in Wash.DC, a breakdown in civil authority could occur. Then it would not be Rosie O's gun police to fear, but gangs of roving looters, latter day pirates. Of course they would try to strike when no one was home. Sure this will probably not happen but for $1,000 you could have a great insurance policy with a long rifle, a pistol or two, and boo coo ammo. I spend $800 a year on car insurance and I havn't made a claim on it in 14 years.

    "Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
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  • slingerslinger Member Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    With one gun, I can get more. Maybe I'll hide a couple extra for friends that didn't plan ahead.

    Art
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  • RosieRosie Member Posts: 14,525 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ever hear of a fire proof gun safe evil? Of all the people who post on here you have got to be the stupidist s.o.b. I have ever had the misfortune to run into. As a matter of fact make that anywhere. Maybe if you slither back under your rock with your little .22s the big bad goverment will leave you alone. Stand? You have to get off of your belly first. :D
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  • Evil ATFEvil ATF Member Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Rosie:
    Fireproof gun safe? I've got two.

    Before you call me stupid, perhaps you should open your eyes and re-read the entire thread and get a jist for what we're all talking about.

    Then you can join the conversation and put your half-wit opinion in.

    Stand And Be Counted
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  • The LawThe Law Member Posts: 2,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Evil I don't want to soil these other guys since no one likes me or what i'm doing. But I do agree with them you are a snake............and then I'm gonna get my guys and track you down because I'm the EvilATF. Pi**off.

    "What we have here... is Failure to Communicate"
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  • Evil ATFEvil ATF Member Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "Evil I don't want to soil these other guys since no one likes me or what i'm doing. But I do agree with them you are a snake............

    I thought there were only two posters here on the entire board? Myself and Beachmaster/Idsman/Salzo/Bullzeye/Etc. Etc.?

    If you're going to Troll, then at least try to stay in character, *.

    "and then I'm gonna get my guys and track you down because I'm the EvilATF. Pi**off."

    LOL. You're a real keyboard commando. Drop me an email at valiant23@iwon.com and I'll be sure to pass along an address where the two of us can meet, since you're so eager to have at me.

    Stand And Be Counted
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