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"Weapon VS Firearm"
Bill Jordan
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I got into a beef with a seller who wanted to call his item a weapon, and I suggested that not all the GB members would think that appropriate, as it may p**s of the next POTUS, and he was very sarcastic in his reply.
What do the rest of you members think?
Bill Jordan
"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than to have a frontal lobotomy."
What do the rest of you members think?
Bill Jordan
"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than to have a frontal lobotomy."
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A firearm can be both a weapon and tool, but a weapon, by definition, is only a weapon.
I think he's one of those weird little commando-wannabes who has to martialize everything he comes across and that he should grow up and call it a firearm.
A firearm can be both a weapon and tool, but a weapon, by definition, is only a weapon.
hey what do ya know. i agree with you on this one[:D]
[8D][:D]
It is pretty obvious that there is a huge part of this present culture that respects NOTHING...NOT ME , NOT YOU, NOT EVEN THE CONSTITUTION...and they seem determined to not leave me alone.
Therefore...if using the word `weapon' causes them to fear...I will use it.
What you boys think about it is a matter of indifference to me.
so, if you're willing to extend the definition of combat to include the killing of animals, then firearms(target guns excepted) are unquestionably weapons; since they are used to attack adversaries and animals, and to defend yourself from the same.
some people think that its an inflammatory term. but, by definition, its a perfectly valid term.
now high capacity, assault weapon, these are the terms we need to get rid of. there is no such thing as high capacity. there is merely full capacity and reduced capacity and anything can be an assault weapon, but only after you assault someone with it.
Might as well call it a toy also.
I think your seller was hung up in the whole, 'This is my weapon, this is my gun' thing. Probably a former Marine, maybe Army.
but as i see it...and this goes for ANY dangerous item, its not a weapon until its pointed at a living thing with the intent to do harm.[;)]
until then, its a knife, fork, spoon, candle stick holder, car, pistol, etc...
Former Member U.S. Navy Shooting Team
Former NSSA All American
Navy Distinguished Pistol Shot
MO, CT, VA.
Good enough for me.
Perhaps they will get the courage up to ban ALL weapons.
Then we will see what we shall see....
.22 pistols were used as primary weapons in the tunnels.
A skeet gun can and will repulse invaders...if used by a determined man.
Mindset is the difference between a weapon...and just another pencil.
Personally, I call my handguns, designed for killing people, weapons. That's what the Army taught me. My .22 target rifles, and pistols, I call firearms.
I think your seller was hung up in the whole, 'This is my weapon, this is my gun' thing. Probably a former Marine, maybe Army.
That makes NO sense at all. A gun is a gun, a firearm is a firearm, a weapon is a weapon, ect is ect. If any firearm is weapon based on your description then ALL firearms are weapons as your ".22 target rifles, and pistols" are JUST as able to "kill people".
So by your definition my "target" AR is not a weapon as it was designed for target shooting but my A2 is a weapon? Is that correct?
XXcross nailed my thoughts on it.
weapon/#712;w#603;p#601;n/-noun 1. any instrument or device for use in attack or defense in combat, fighting, or war, as a sword, rifle, or cannon.
so, if you're willing to extend the definition of combat to include the killing of animals, then firearms(target guns excepted) are unquestionably weapons; since they are used to attack adversaries and animals, and to defend yourself from the same.
some people think that its an inflammatory term. but, by definition, its a perfectly valid term.
now high capacity, assault weapon, these are the terms we need to get rid of. there is no such thing as high capacity. there is merely full capacity and reduced capacity and anything can be an assault weapon, but only after you assault someone with it.
Maybe tomorrow you'll look up COMBAT.
but as i see it...and this goes for ANY dangerous item, its not a weapon until its pointed at a living thing with the intent to do harm.[;)]
until then, its a knife, fork, spoon, candle stick holder, car, pistol, etc...My thoughts exactly.
Truth is, 'weapon' is improper nomenclature for a firearm until it's used as such.
Revolvers are pistols. Pistols ain't necessarily revolvers. (Revolvers can also be rifles).
Bet he has a lot of "Tactical" Tacticool crap too.
Fixed it [:D][:D][:D]
Everyne has a difference in opinion as to what a particular item should be called. Take for example "sports car". Some people think a mitsubishi eclipse is one while others believe it has to be a challenger, corvette, or camaro.
If it offends people that bad it is a sign that they have more issues that they should deal with, and probably not be reading a gun auction
My humble opinion is that people get too caught up in terminology.
Everyne has a difference in opinion as to what a particular item should be called. Take for example "sports car". Some people think a mitsubishi eclipse is one while others believe it has to be a challenger, corvette, or camaro.
If it offends people that bad it is a sign that they have more issues that they should deal with, and probably not be reading a gun auction
Gotta agree with Rob on this one.
quote:Originally posted by chaosrob
My humble opinion is that people get too caught up in terminology.
Everyne has a difference in opinion as to what a particular item should be called. Take for example "sports car". Some people think a mitsubishi eclipse is one while others believe it has to be a challenger, corvette, or camaro.
If it offends people that bad it is a sign that they have more issues that they should deal with, and probably not be reading a gun auction
Gotta agree with Rob on this one.
Well normally I would agree but the term "weapon" vs "firearm" has a hugh effect on the way people view them. If you call a car by the "wrong" name is does not have social implications. By naming firearms "weapons" or other "evil" terms makes people who have NO clue think these metal items really are "evil". As the Libs know WORD ARE POWERFUL.
quote:Originally posted by rogue_rob
quote:Originally posted by chaosrob
My humble opinion is that people get too caught up in terminology.
Everyne has a difference in opinion as to what a particular item should be called. Take for example "sports car". Some people think a mitsubishi eclipse is one while others believe it has to be a challenger, corvette, or camaro.
If it offends people that bad it is a sign that they have more issues that they should deal with, and probably not be reading a gun auction
Gotta agree with Rob on this one.
Well normally I would agree but the term "weapon" vs "firearm" has a hugh effect on the way people view them. If you call a car by the "wrong" name is does not have social implications. By naming firearms "weapons" or other "evil" terms makes people who have NO clue think these metal items really are "evil". As the Libs know WORD ARE POWERFUL.
You can read anything into any word you want. I prefer not o tiptoe around and pretend to be politically correct to appease those who have no respect for me, or my beliefs
You DON'T want to know. There's a cop in Gatlinburgh that is STILL looking for us....
It's application that counts, not the object.
..another slow night
How would a firearm be a weapon if all you did was shoot trap with it?
Might as well call it a toy also.
did you miss the part where i said "target guns excepted"
quote:Originally posted by iceracerx
Maybe tomorrow you'll look up COMBAT.
sure.
combat:
1. to fight or contend against; oppose vigorously: to combat crime.
the subject: the continued life of an animal.
your postion: you want the animal dead so you can eat it.
the animals position: they want to remain alive so that you cant eat them.
definatley sounds like something regarding fighting or contention, also something the animal would tend to oppose vigorously.
your response sir?
As for the difference. It all depends on the person holding it and what his intentions are.
I got into a beef with a seller who wanted to call his item a weapon, and I suggested that not all the GB members would think that appropriate, as it may p**s of the next POTUS, and he was very sarcastic in his reply.
What do the rest of you members think?
Bill Jordan
If the "item" can be used as a weapon, then why not call it a weapon. I'm not one to get prissy over handgun, pistol, gun, gat, etc. terminology. Worrying about what Obama is pissed off about is real low on my priorities. I would say there are more important things to worry about.
I believe in the philosophy of "respect me..leave me alone...or fear me".
For that quote alone, how about I just laugh at you?[}:)]
quote:Originally posted by iceracerx
Maybe tomorrow you'll look up COMBAT.
sure.
combat:
1. to fight or contend against; oppose vigorously: to combat crime.
the subject: the continued life of an animal.
your postion: you want the animal dead so you can eat it.
the animals position: they want to remain alive so that you cant eat them.
definatley sounds like something regarding fighting or contention, also something the animal would tend to oppose vigorously.
your response sir?
Were an animal to understand they were in a COMBAT situation, I would expect you would be correct. I don't fight against what I hunt. When I have the opportunity, I dispatch it.
Lets try a mainstream dictionary like Merriam Webster shall we?
Main Entry: com?bat
Pronunciation: \#712;k?m-#716;bat\
Function: noun
Etymology: Anglo-French, from combatre to attack, fight, from Vulgar Latin *combattere, from Latin com- + battuere to beat
Date: 1546
1 : a fight or contest between individuals or groups
2 : conflict , controversy
3 : active fighting in a war : action <casualties suffered in combat
Now, if you truely fight or contend against, let's use an Antalope as an example, and inform said animal that you are engaging them in combat (you can simply stand up and shout this information to them), I contend that you will lose each and every time. I'd pay good money to see you engage in COMBAT with a Bull Elephant or a Rhino.
I suspect that what you are engaging in when you claim to be in "Combat" against animals is actually classified as Assassination.
Main Entry: as?sas?si?nate
Pronunciation: \#601;-#712;sa-s#601;-#716;n?t\
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): as?sas?si?nat?ed; as?sas?si?nat?ing
Date: 1607
1 : to injure or destroy unexpectedly and treacherously
2 : to murder (a usually prominent person) by sudden or secret attack often for political reasons
We refer to them as what they really are (anything can be a weapon) so we call them shotguns, pistols, rifles, sporting arms, or just plain firearms.. the word weapon leaves negative thoughts in a lot of peoples heads..[:(]
A 22 rifle is an instructional/practice/recreational/competition tool, it was not designed for combat.
A short barreled (18") shotgun is a weapon, inteded for combat (primarily in self defense)
A shotgun designed primarily for hunting is not a weapon.
In my opinion, it is always a weapon if it was intended as such.
It is a weapon if it is temporarily used as such -
a pencil can be a weapon if used as such.
An authentic Samurai sword used to clear vegetation like a machette, is still a weapon.
Playing the "happy sounding name game" is admitting defeat.
Yes, I think people have a right to own "assault" rifles, people have a right to "weapons", that is the whole point of the second, they are armaments, aka weapons, the second is the right to keep and bear weapons.
I don't buy into this strategy of making things sound benign ..... "its not a weapon, its a tool", "its not an assault rifle, its for hunting, or its a match rifle, etc..." is admitting defeat.
If some company markets a gun as the "Super-Death-Maker-2000", we should still have a right to have it, even though the name is not benign sounding.
You put your finger on the crux of the matter.
Just for all you "No weapons please' folks...Disarm right now !!!
You see ..a VERY good case can be make that the ONLY arms covered by the Second Amendment are WEAPONS;
Weapons to be used to defend yourself, your loved ones, your community, and your COUNTRY !!!
Your duck/skeet guns ARE NOT COVERED...never having been used in war. Nor has your .22 rifle.
You boys need to grow a pair....or just give your firearms to the authorities and save them the necessity of taking them.