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Icon 206 posted 15 May, 2005 10:44 AM Profile for Ledeburite E-mail Ledeburite Send new private message Edit/Delete post The topic of kangaroo meat being served by Jack-in-the-Box came up in one of my classes. The student wrote an entire paper on it from a news account in the early 90's. I decided to call Jack-in-the-Box directly and they told me that the meat (not beef) was discovered during routine quality assuarnce tests in the receiving department. The meat was returned, the supplier removed from their purchasing list and was NEVER distributed to restaurants.
There you have it.
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Icon 202 posted 15 May, 2005 07:04 PM Profile for buzzkirk E-mail buzzkirk Send new private message Edit/Delete post What's wrong with Kangaroo meat? It is quite tasty! I might actually eat there if they started serving kangaroo burgers.
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Icon 1 posted 16 May, 2005 02:40 AM Profile for Jay Tea E-mail Jay Tea Send new private message Edit/Delete post I daresay it's better for you than beef, it's certainly leaner, and costs a great deal more per pound than beef. I've had Roo jerky - very nice it was too...
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Icon 1 posted 16 May, 2005 08:49 AM Profile for Ledeburite E-mail Ledeburite Send new private message Edit/Delete post I imagine it falls into the same category as not notifying vegetarians that mcdonald's fries may be mixed with meat product. Kangaroo meat is very good, but the customer should still have a general idea of what they're consuming. Posts: 2 | From: Los Angeles, CA | Registered: May 2005 | IP: Logged | Report this post to a moderator
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Icon 1 posted 16 May, 2005 11:37 AM Profile for Rehcsif E-mail Rehcsif Send new private message Edit/Delete post Does 'burger' have to imply beef?
What if they served turkey burgers -- would they need a disclaimer on the menu board? Or would simply indicating this in the nutritional guidlines they distribute be good enough?
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quote:Originally posted by Rehcsif Mit:
Does 'burger' have to imply beef?
What if they served turkey burgers -- would they need a disclaimer on the menu board? Or would simply indicating this in the nutritional guidlines they distribute be good enough?
-Tim
I think they would indeed have to mention if they used turkey instead of beef, for purposes of warning people who are allergic to poultry products. People already have to deal with the possibility of fillers (soy, sawdust, whatever) in the beef burger and if they're allergic, look for a place that lists 100% beef.
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Icon 1 posted 16 May, 2005 01:38 PM Profile for Rehcsif E-mail Rehcsif Send new private message Edit/Delete post
quote:Originally posted by ToadTangent:
I think they would indeed have to mention if they used turkey instead of beef, for purposes of warning people who are allergic to poultry products. People already have to deal with the possibility of fillers (soy, sawdust, whatever) in the beef burger and if they're allergic, look for a place that lists 100% beef.
But would they have to make a BIG mention of this (e.g. on the menu board behind the counter) or just in the nutritional guidelines?
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Icon 1 posted 16 May, 2005 02:27 PM Profile for Gayle E-mail Gayle Send new private message Edit/Delete post Yes, it would have to be reflected in the name. "Burger" is beef unless it specifically states otherwise, and allergies to poultry can be rather severe. Not to mention that the taste and texture are complete different. Contrary to popular scare lore, eateries generally want customers to be satisfied and come back. Posts: 4307 | From: Austin, TX | Registered: Feb 2000 | IP: Logged | Report this post to a moderator
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quote:Originally posted by Gayle:
"Burger" is beef unless it specifically states otherwise, and allergies to poultry can be rather severe.
Do you have a cite for that? Dictionary.com has:
quote:
1. A sandwich consisting of a bun, a cooked beef patty, and often other ingredients such as cheese, onion slices, lettuce, or condiments. Often used in combination: a cheeseburger.
2.A similar sandwich with a nonbeef filling. Often used in combination: a crab burger; a tofu burger.
Short for Hamburger
Which allows for non-beef burgers.
And for hamburger:
quote:
1a. Ground meat, usually beef.
1b. A patty of such meat.
2. A sandwich made with a patty of ground meat usually in a roll or bun.
Which demotes the beef to a "usually" status...
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Icon 1 posted 16 May, 2005 02:59 PM Profile for Homsar999 Send new private message Edit/Delete post Hmm. I would still think they would have to make a mention of it. At a local restaurant in Illinois near where I live, the turkey burgers they make and sell are called "Turkey Burgers", not burgers without the word turkey. For liability reasons stemming from allergic reactions. Posts: 95 | From: Gurnee, Illinois | Registered: Feb 2005 | IP: Logged | Report this post to a moderator
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Icon 23 posted 16 May, 2005 03:04 PM Profile for Barky, the Wonder Log E-mail Barky, the Wonder Log Send new private message Edit/Delete post I think the question here concerns not the dictionary definition of "hamburger", but the FDA's guidelines on what can be advertised as "hamburger". I personally have never seen any meat other than beef advertised anywhere as "hamburger", whether in cooked or uncooked form. This suggests to me that there's some FDA guideline that mandates only ground beef can be considered as "hamburger". Anyone with the time care to search the www.fda.gov site?
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Icon 1 posted 16 May, 2005 03:50 PM Profile for Kathy B Send new private message Edit/Delete post California law:
HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE
111200. As used in this article, the following definitions shall apply:
(a) "Hamburger" means chopped fresh or frozen beef, or a combination of both fresh or frozen beef, with or without the addition of beef fat as such, and with or without the addition of seasoning. Hamburger shall not contain more than 30-percent fat, and shall not contain added water, binders, or extenders. Beef cheek meat (trimmed beef cheeks) may be used in the preparation of hamburger to the extent of 25 percent, and if in excess of natural proportions, its presence shall be declared on the label in the ingredient statement, if any, and otherwise contiguous to the name of the product.
(b) "Imitation hamburger" means chopped fresh or frozen beef, or a combination of both fresh or frozen beef, with or without the addition of beef fat as such, and with or without the addition of seasoning. Imitation hamburger may contain binders and extenders, with or without the addition of partially defatted beef tissue, without added water or with added water only in amounts that the products' characteristics are essentially that of a meat pattie.
[snip]
(b) No restaurant shall use the terms "hamburger," "burger," or any other cognate thereof in any advertisement, or menu to refer to any imitation hamburger. A restaurant selling or serving imitation hamburger may refer to the product as imitation hamburger or by any other term that accurately informs the customer of the nature of the food product that he or she is sold or served.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data."
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Icon 1 posted 16 May, 2005 04:24 PM Profile for Rehcsif E-mail Rehcsif Send new private message Edit/Delete post
quote:Originally posted by Kathy B:
California law:
HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE
Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for.
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Icon 1 posted 23 May, 2005 03:09 PM Profile for Dr. Van Thorp E-mail Dr. Van Thorp Send new private message Edit/Delete post Would it even be profitable to ship kangaroo meat all the way to North America just to pass it off as cheap beef?
To suvive the trip unspoiled, you would either need a ship with a freezer compartment, or air frieght shipping, neither of which would be cheap.
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Icon 1 posted 25 May, 2005 01:14 AM Profile for Rex Fenestrarum Author's Homepage E-mail Rex Fenestrarum Send new private message Edit/Delete post Ah, it's just like the old "McDonalds and worms in the burgers" urban legend of the 70s. (Certain) people in my home town, believed that McDonalds was "cutting" the ground beef with worms... even though worms cost around $2 a pound more than ground beef. No matter how much some people might *want* to believe it, no company is going to use a "filler" that's more expensive that the target product. Posts: 19 | From: North Carolina | Registered: Feb 2005 | IP: Logged | Report this post to a moderator
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Icon 1 posted 25 May, 2005 02:27 AM Profile for Jay Tea E-mail Jay Tea Send new private message Edit/Delete post Yup - I made that point 9 days ago guys....
...and costs a great deal more per pound than beef.
...as you've so kindly reiterated, the mere fact that to 'cut' beef with roo would leave you out of pocket immediately reveals our story to be bullpies.
This is where I come up with something right? Something really clever...
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Icon 1 posted 29 May, 2005 11:44 AM Profile for Ferret E-mail Ferret Send new private message Edit/Delete post OR, if you are to believe that they really did serve Roo meat, you could contemplate that they would simply charge more for these special burgers, and since Roo meat is usually rather good (unless there is something wrong with it), people would be flocking to eat the burgers, like moths to a light bulb you might say.
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quote:Originally posted by mrseatle
Jack in the Box... If you watch the News around here you know what i'm talkin about. For some reason they used kangeroo meat and got caught.
All the crap you had to swallow while working in the public school system[;)]
Kangaroo is realy quite good
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Are you sure it wasn't at the Aqarium in Fox Lake, Illinois?
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quote:Originally posted by CHGOTHNDER
Live minnows at the Minnow bar in Wisconsin.
PJ
Are you sure it wasn't at the Aqarium in Fox Lake, Illinois?
They used to hand out a card and make you a member of the "Minnow Munchers club"!!!!
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Icon 206 posted 15 May, 2005 10:44 AM Profile for Ledeburite E-mail Ledeburite Send new private message Edit/Delete post The topic of kangaroo meat being served by Jack-in-the-Box came up in one of my classes. The student wrote an entire paper on it from a news account in the early 90's. I decided to call Jack-in-the-Box directly and they told me that the meat (not beef) was discovered during routine quality assuarnce tests in the receiving department. The meat was returned, the supplier removed from their purchasing list and was NEVER distributed to restaurants.
There you have it.
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Icon 202 posted 15 May, 2005 07:04 PM Profile for buzzkirk E-mail buzzkirk Send new private message Edit/Delete post What's wrong with Kangaroo meat? It is quite tasty! I might actually eat there if they started serving kangaroo burgers.
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Icon 1 posted 16 May, 2005 02:40 AM Profile for Jay Tea E-mail Jay Tea Send new private message Edit/Delete post I daresay it's better for you than beef, it's certainly leaner, and costs a great deal more per pound than beef. I've had Roo jerky - very nice it was too...
This is where I come up with something right? Something really clever...
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Icon 1 posted 16 May, 2005 08:49 AM Profile for Ledeburite E-mail Ledeburite Send new private message Edit/Delete post I imagine it falls into the same category as not notifying vegetarians that mcdonald's fries may be mixed with meat product. Kangaroo meat is very good, but the customer should still have a general idea of what they're consuming. Posts: 2 | From: Los Angeles, CA | Registered: May 2005 | IP: Logged | Report this post to a moderator
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Icon 1 posted 16 May, 2005 11:37 AM Profile for Rehcsif E-mail Rehcsif Send new private message Edit/Delete post Does 'burger' have to imply beef?
What if they served turkey burgers -- would they need a disclaimer on the menu board? Or would simply indicating this in the nutritional guidlines they distribute be good enough?
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quote:Originally posted by Rehcsif Mit:
Does 'burger' have to imply beef?
What if they served turkey burgers -- would they need a disclaimer on the menu board? Or would simply indicating this in the nutritional guidlines they distribute be good enough?
-Tim
I think they would indeed have to mention if they used turkey instead of beef, for purposes of warning people who are allergic to poultry products. People already have to deal with the possibility of fillers (soy, sawdust, whatever) in the beef burger and if they're allergic, look for a place that lists 100% beef.
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Icon 1 posted 16 May, 2005 01:38 PM Profile for Rehcsif E-mail Rehcsif Send new private message Edit/Delete post
quote:Originally posted by ToadTangent:
I think they would indeed have to mention if they used turkey instead of beef, for purposes of warning people who are allergic to poultry products. People already have to deal with the possibility of fillers (soy, sawdust, whatever) in the beef burger and if they're allergic, look for a place that lists 100% beef.
But would they have to make a BIG mention of this (e.g. on the menu board behind the counter) or just in the nutritional guidelines?
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Icon 1 posted 16 May, 2005 02:27 PM Profile for Gayle E-mail Gayle Send new private message Edit/Delete post Yes, it would have to be reflected in the name. "Burger" is beef unless it specifically states otherwise, and allergies to poultry can be rather severe. Not to mention that the taste and texture are complete different. Contrary to popular scare lore, eateries generally want customers to be satisfied and come back. Posts: 4307 | From: Austin, TX | Registered: Feb 2000 | IP: Logged | Report this post to a moderator
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Icon 1 posted 16 May, 2005 02:43 PM Profile for Rehcsif E-mail Rehcsif Send new private message Edit/Delete post
quote:Originally posted by Gayle:
"Burger" is beef unless it specifically states otherwise, and allergies to poultry can be rather severe.
Do you have a cite for that? Dictionary.com has:
quote:
1. A sandwich consisting of a bun, a cooked beef patty, and often other ingredients such as cheese, onion slices, lettuce, or condiments. Often used in combination: a cheeseburger.
2.A similar sandwich with a nonbeef filling. Often used in combination: a crab burger; a tofu burger.
Short for Hamburger
Which allows for non-beef burgers.
And for hamburger:
quote:
1a. Ground meat, usually beef.
1b. A patty of such meat.
2. A sandwich made with a patty of ground meat usually in a roll or bun.
Which demotes the beef to a "usually" status...
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Icon 1 posted 16 May, 2005 02:59 PM Profile for Homsar999 Send new private message Edit/Delete post Hmm. I would still think they would have to make a mention of it. At a local restaurant in Illinois near where I live, the turkey burgers they make and sell are called "Turkey Burgers", not burgers without the word turkey. For liability reasons stemming from allergic reactions. Posts: 95 | From: Gurnee, Illinois | Registered: Feb 2005 | IP: Logged | Report this post to a moderator
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Icon 23 posted 16 May, 2005 03:04 PM Profile for Barky, the Wonder Log E-mail Barky, the Wonder Log Send new private message Edit/Delete post I think the question here concerns not the dictionary definition of "hamburger", but the FDA's guidelines on what can be advertised as "hamburger". I personally have never seen any meat other than beef advertised anywhere as "hamburger", whether in cooked or uncooked form. This suggests to me that there's some FDA guideline that mandates only ground beef can be considered as "hamburger". Anyone with the time care to search the www.fda.gov site?
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Icon 1 posted 16 May, 2005 03:50 PM Profile for Kathy B Send new private message Edit/Delete post California law:
HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE
111200. As used in this article, the following definitions shall apply:
(a) "Hamburger" means chopped fresh or frozen beef, or a combination of both fresh or frozen beef, with or without the addition of beef fat as such, and with or without the addition of seasoning. Hamburger shall not contain more than 30-percent fat, and shall not contain added water, binders, or extenders. Beef cheek meat (trimmed beef cheeks) may be used in the preparation of hamburger to the extent of 25 percent, and if in excess of natural proportions, its presence shall be declared on the label in the ingredient statement, if any, and otherwise contiguous to the name of the product.
(b) "Imitation hamburger" means chopped fresh or frozen beef, or a combination of both fresh or frozen beef, with or without the addition of beef fat as such, and with or without the addition of seasoning. Imitation hamburger may contain binders and extenders, with or without the addition of partially defatted beef tissue, without added water or with added water only in amounts that the products' characteristics are essentially that of a meat pattie.
[snip]
(b) No restaurant shall use the terms "hamburger," "burger," or any other cognate thereof in any advertisement, or menu to refer to any imitation hamburger. A restaurant selling or serving imitation hamburger may refer to the product as imitation hamburger or by any other term that accurately informs the customer of the nature of the food product that he or she is sold or served.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data."
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Icon 1 posted 16 May, 2005 04:24 PM Profile for Rehcsif E-mail Rehcsif Send new private message Edit/Delete post
quote:Originally posted by Kathy B:
California law:
HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE
Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for.
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Icon 1 posted 23 May, 2005 03:09 PM Profile for Dr. Van Thorp E-mail Dr. Van Thorp Send new private message Edit/Delete post Would it even be profitable to ship kangaroo meat all the way to North America just to pass it off as cheap beef?
To suvive the trip unspoiled, you would either need a ship with a freezer compartment, or air frieght shipping, neither of which would be cheap.
The way I see it, if a crime or scam can not be made profitable, then if didn't happen. Posts: 374 | From: Brighton, Michigan | Registered: Dec 2002 | IP: Logged | Report this post to a moderator
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Icon 1 posted 25 May, 2005 01:14 AM Profile for Rex Fenestrarum Author's Homepage E-mail Rex Fenestrarum Send new private message Edit/Delete post Ah, it's just like the old "McDonalds and worms in the burgers" urban legend of the 70s. (Certain) people in my home town, believed that McDonalds was "cutting" the ground beef with worms... even though worms cost around $2 a pound more than ground beef. No matter how much some people might *want* to believe it, no company is going to use a "filler" that's more expensive that the target product. Posts: 19 | From: North Carolina | Registered: Feb 2005 | IP: Logged | Report this post to a moderator
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Icon 1 posted 25 May, 2005 02:27 AM Profile for Jay Tea E-mail Jay Tea Send new private message Edit/Delete post Yup - I made that point 9 days ago guys....
...and costs a great deal more per pound than beef.
...as you've so kindly reiterated, the mere fact that to 'cut' beef with roo would leave you out of pocket immediately reveals our story to be bullpies.
This is where I come up with something right? Something really clever...
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Icon 1 posted 29 May, 2005 11:44 AM Profile for Ferret E-mail Ferret Send new private message Edit/Delete post OR, if you are to believe that they really did serve Roo meat, you could contemplate that they would simply charge more for these special burgers, and since Roo meat is usually rather good (unless there is something wrong with it), people would be flocking to eat the burgers, like moths to a light bulb you might say.
Grant "Moo to Roo" Oliveira
What should I put here?
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quote:Originally posted by mrseatle
Jack in the Box... If you watch the News around here you know what i'm talkin about. For some reason they used kangeroo meat and got caught.
Kangaroo is realy quite good
Ostrich
Rattlesnake
but the worst had to be head cheese if you know what it is you unterstand