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quote:Originally posted by 11b6r
You can check your state, but here there are no binding ORAL contracts on real estate.
that is true. Ive had an issue with real estate, and after hours of research and speaking to an attorney real estate laws are very grey and cloudy at best when it concerns trying to go back on people on people. Plus going to court is going to cost you more time and money than a few safes. Like you said if its not on paper it doesnt really matter. So in this case once you closed, whats left is no longer yours. And I dont see how you would get an official to put a lien on a home for something like this.
Personally get it moved or write it off and call it a day, im sure you made some profit on the house, go buy new safes.
If it cant be worked out by the dead line, hire a welder and weld the doors shut with stainless wire/rod. Couple passes of this will render the safes useless.
So IF there is no written agreement to the removal from the buyer/seller when sold the first time and the new buyer wont allow the removal.. call the law. Once it is documented it is a Civil matter for the courts to decide. Issue stays status quo until they do decide. I will bet the Judge will allow the original seller to go get the safes at a reasonable time set up and reasonable care to remove them.
quote:Originally posted by nards444
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
Have the sheriff go with the movers, and take some plywood sheets.
problem is when you signed the agreement whatever was in there was law, so I dont know what recourse you could have. I have sold a few houses and ineveitbly ive had to leave something. But again I dont know what was in there. And if the agreement said you couldnt ruin the law in order to get the safes out, then you cant move the safes, sucks but all there is to it. But I would agree your first purchase offer would be the one that you are liable for. You are not liable for the second purchase unless you were involved and signed something.
Locking the combos in the safe fine, if that tickles your D in at the end of the day. But to maliciously do damage is wrong just because its wrong, and you set yourself up legally for damage you willfully committed.
THAT is pure B.S., it is his property, if he wants to destroy the safes, that is his right.., are you a lawyer ??
The safes are your property. You have a specified amount of time to move them, by agreement. The agreement does not limit your options for moving the safes, does it? So, go get them. If you make ruts in the yard, fill them in.
This case is an illustration of why I say that used safes have very little value.
quote:Originally posted by Sperry
Get a dozen guys and carry them out like coffins, on planks.
Yep, or several guys and put them on a piano dolly, and use plywood to roll them across the yard to your vehicle.
Bottom line though is, what are the safes worth? If you start getting cranes and boom trucks involved, you're likely to have way more in the move than they're worth.
quote:Originally posted by USN_Airdale
quote:Originally posted by nards444
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
Have the sheriff go with the movers, and take some plywood sheets.
problem is when you signed the agreement whatever was in there was law, so I dont know what recourse you could have. I have sold a few houses and ineveitbly ive had to leave something. But again I dont know what was in there. And if the agreement said you couldnt ruin the law in order to get the safes out, then you cant move the safes, sucks but all there is to it. But I would agree your first purchase offer would be the one that you are liable for. You are not liable for the second purchase unless you were involved and signed something.
Locking the combos in the safe fine, if that tickles your D in at the end of the day. But to maliciously do damage is wrong just because its wrong, and you set yourself up legally for damage you willfully committed.
THAT is pure B.S., it is his property, if he wants to destroy the safes, that is his right.., are you a lawyer ??
Agreed it is his right. But once he leaves the property everything in the home is defaulted to the new owner unless an agreement was in place to pick something up AFTER closing. If the new owners wanted to get ballsy they could say the old owner purposely destroyed stuff.
But really all its going to do is during a pre-closing walk through, the buyers will see it and hault closing to take care of the issue.
And purposely breaking stuff is like the kid on the playground with his ball, if he cant play with it nobody can.
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Here is the way I see it. You had an agreement with the buyer when you sold the home. That agreement is not yet final until you get your safe out in the spring. He sells the home. Now the new buyers want the safe out in 30 days. You are not in a pinch the seller is. He has to finalize the agreement with you to satisfy the new buyers. It is his responsiblity now to remove the safes for YOU to satisfy his new buyers at his cost. Any damage from the new buyers to your property is now on the seller and them. Sit tight and have an attorney notify the seller as such. He will be in contact with his buyers as soon as he gets the letter. The original agreement will stand in a court. You have until spring to remove the safes.
Bingo! Its between the New Buyers and the guy you sold the house to. You sold the house to him and any agreements he has made with the new buyers is between them.
quote:Originally posted by Spartacus
sold my rural house/property and agreed to the buyers request not to run the forklift thru the pasture to get the two gun safes. asked me to wait until the spring when the ground was dry.
there is a room that was built onto the back of the house and i put the two safes in there ten yrs ago with a forklift.
the buyer re-sold the house last month and the new buyers gave me 30 days to remove the safes.
so far ive sent two different moving companies out to get the safes, and both times the owner would not give them access to the back of the property with anything more than a dolly.
so tonight they tell me I can come and empty the safes this week but i can't bring a fork lift or truck across the pasture.
so, on april 1st they get two gun safes for free.
basterds!!
when i emtpy the safes i'm gonna lock the combinations INSIDE. OOOPPS, my bad.
I have a small 5x8 3500 pound axle utility trailor. could you push it to where you need it, take the needed personel/dollies and load it on the trailor and then either push it to the truck or hook it up to a lawn mower and pull the trailor/safe to the truck? 2 trips and you're done.
if you can't get them, lay them down and fill em up with cement - close door and mail them the combos a few days later.[}:)]
Sometimes a wise man will simply walk away from a bad situation. Chalk this up as a learning experience. If you hire a lawyer it will cost you more than the safes are worth and the only person that makes out is the lawyer.
I for one would never have left the safes in the first place. And I damn sure would not have left anything inside of them.
If you are hell bent on some sort of action I would have a lawyer send a letter to the guy you sold the house to informing him that you are planing to sue over the safes. Sometimes this works. If the guy does not want to spend lots of $$ on lawyers he might reimburse you for the cost of new safes.
If the ground will still freeze overnight use the forktruck or wait till the ground drains and firms up and move them. You might bog down your fork lift in the soft field and be up the crick.
A tractor got stuck trying to unbog an airplane in a thawing field. It was a big mess.
An overnight freeze allowed an early morning swinging the plane out of its' frozen mud grooves and flying it out.
quote:Originally posted by guns-n-painthorses
So what happened?
+1
Some will die in hot pursuit
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Sounds like party 2 has put unreasonable demands on you, possibly with the intent of getting a couple free safes. It's going to be hard to go in and do anything drastic to screw up the safes when they are standing there (eg rotting fish, sledge hammer the tumbler). If you have to leave them I would call all the local locksmiths tell them they are your property and prove it by giving them the serial number. At that point I'm not sure they could legally open them without a court order.
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You can check your state, but here there are no binding ORAL contracts on real estate.
that is true. Ive had an issue with real estate, and after hours of research and speaking to an attorney real estate laws are very grey and cloudy at best when it concerns trying to go back on people on people. Plus going to court is going to cost you more time and money than a few safes. Like you said if its not on paper it doesnt really matter. So in this case once you closed, whats left is no longer yours. And I dont see how you would get an official to put a lien on a home for something like this.
Personally get it moved or write it off and call it a day, im sure you made some profit on the house, go buy new safes.
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
Have the sheriff go with the movers, and take some plywood sheets.
problem is when you signed the agreement whatever was in there was law, so I dont know what recourse you could have. I have sold a few houses and ineveitbly ive had to leave something. But again I dont know what was in there. And if the agreement said you couldnt ruin the law in order to get the safes out, then you cant move the safes, sucks but all there is to it. But I would agree your first purchase offer would be the one that you are liable for. You are not liable for the second purchase unless you were involved and signed something.
Locking the combos in the safe fine, if that tickles your D in at the end of the day. But to maliciously do damage is wrong just because its wrong, and you set yourself up legally for damage you willfully committed.
THAT is pure B.S., it is his property, if he wants to destroy the safes, that is his right.., are you a lawyer ??
This case is an illustration of why I say that used safes have very little value.
Get a dozen guys and carry them out like coffins, on planks.
Yep, or several guys and put them on a piano dolly, and use plywood to roll them across the yard to your vehicle.
Bottom line though is, what are the safes worth? If you start getting cranes and boom trucks involved, you're likely to have way more in the move than they're worth.
quote:Originally posted by nards444
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
Have the sheriff go with the movers, and take some plywood sheets.
problem is when you signed the agreement whatever was in there was law, so I dont know what recourse you could have. I have sold a few houses and ineveitbly ive had to leave something. But again I dont know what was in there. And if the agreement said you couldnt ruin the law in order to get the safes out, then you cant move the safes, sucks but all there is to it. But I would agree your first purchase offer would be the one that you are liable for. You are not liable for the second purchase unless you were involved and signed something.
Locking the combos in the safe fine, if that tickles your D in at the end of the day. But to maliciously do damage is wrong just because its wrong, and you set yourself up legally for damage you willfully committed.
THAT is pure B.S., it is his property, if he wants to destroy the safes, that is his right.., are you a lawyer ??
Agreed it is his right. But once he leaves the property everything in the home is defaulted to the new owner unless an agreement was in place to pick something up AFTER closing. If the new owners wanted to get ballsy they could say the old owner purposely destroyed stuff.
But really all its going to do is during a pre-closing walk through, the buyers will see it and hault closing to take care of the issue.
And purposely breaking stuff is like the kid on the playground with his ball, if he cant play with it nobody can.
Here is the way I see it. You had an agreement with the buyer when you sold the home. That agreement is not yet final until you get your safe out in the spring. He sells the home. Now the new buyers want the safe out in 30 days. You are not in a pinch the seller is. He has to finalize the agreement with you to satisfy the new buyers. It is his responsiblity now to remove the safes for YOU to satisfy his new buyers at his cost. Any damage from the new buyers to your property is now on the seller and them. Sit tight and have an attorney notify the seller as such. He will be in contact with his buyers as soon as he gets the letter. The original agreement will stand in a court. You have until spring to remove the safes.
Bingo! Its between the New Buyers and the guy you sold the house to. You sold the house to him and any agreements he has made with the new buyers is between them.
sold my rural house/property and agreed to the buyers request not to run the forklift thru the pasture to get the two gun safes. asked me to wait until the spring when the ground was dry.
there is a room that was built onto the back of the house and i put the two safes in there ten yrs ago with a forklift.
the buyer re-sold the house last month and the new buyers gave me 30 days to remove the safes.
so far ive sent two different moving companies out to get the safes, and both times the owner would not give them access to the back of the property with anything more than a dolly.
so tonight they tell me I can come and empty the safes this week but i can't bring a fork lift or truck across the pasture.
so, on april 1st they get two gun safes for free.
basterds!!
when i emtpy the safes i'm gonna lock the combinations INSIDE. OOOPPS, my bad.
tom
PERFECT![:D][}:)]
if you can't get them, lay them down and fill em up with cement - close door and mail them the combos a few days later.[}:)]
I for one would never have left the safes in the first place. And I damn sure would not have left anything inside of them.
If you are hell bent on some sort of action I would have a lawyer send a letter to the guy you sold the house to informing him that you are planing to sue over the safes. Sometimes this works. If the guy does not want to spend lots of $$ on lawyers he might reimburse you for the cost of new safes.
A tractor got stuck trying to unbog an airplane in a thawing field. It was a big mess.
An overnight freeze allowed an early morning swinging the plane out of its' frozen mud grooves and flying it out.
So what happened?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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So what happened?
+1
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain