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resident arrested while mowing overgrown city park
quote:Originally posted by john550iw
quote:Originally posted by Tailgunner1954
If a resident mows city properity, than some "poor union worker and his 3 assistants" won't have a job to do. Damn those do-gooder tax payers causing honest hardworking union members to be put out of their job.
BTW, that's also the biggest objection to having jail "residents" do the work, it puts overpaid union "workers" out of a job
There are good and bad union workers don't lump us all together like that. As for being overpaid, sure some are. But what every blue collar worker out there needs to remember is that without unions you would have little or no benefits, lower wages, and longer work weeks with no overtime. The day I see you walking on a beam, hundreds of feet in the air carrying 40lbs of tools and bolts, then you can call ME overpaid. Or then again, maybe you are just upset that you're underpaid.
Unions did some good things back in the early days. But they have become too demanding and strong in this day and age. They were originally formed to keep workers from being abused. They accoplished that and today we have labor laws and a legal system that does a good job protecting workers rights. But today's unions have caused the price of manufactured goods in the United States to skyrocket by demanding ever increasing wages and benefits. In today's global economy such pricy goods cannot compete. So Companies either shut down or move manufacturing overseas. The unions have put their brothers and sisters out of work.
quote:Originally posted by bigtire
quote:Originally posted by john550iw
quote:Originally posted by Tailgunner1954
If a resident mows city properity, than some "poor union worker and his 3 assistants" won't have a job to do. Damn those do-gooder tax payers causing honest hardworking union members to be put out of their job.
BTW, that's also the biggest objection to having jail "residents" do the work, it puts overpaid union "workers" out of a job
There are good and bad union workers don't lump us all together like that. As for being overpaid, sure some are. But what every blue collar worker out there needs to remember is that without unions you would have little or no benefits, lower wages, and longer work weeks with no overtime. The day I see you walking on a beam, hundreds of feet in the air carrying 40lbs of tools and bolts, then you can call ME overpaid. Or then again, maybe you are just upset that you're underpaid.
Unions did some good things back in the early days. But they have become too demanding and strong in this day and age. They were originally formed to keep workers from being abused. They accoplished that and today we have labor laws and a legal system that does a good job protecting workers rights. But today's unions have caused the price of manufactured goods in the United States to skyrocket by demanding ever increasing wages and benefits. In today's global economy such pricy goods cannot compete. So Companies either shut down or move manufacturing overseas. The unions have put their brothers and sisters out of work.
Agree 100%,.......don't forget BO though.
He may make it to where we can only buy vehicles from Government Motors in the future.
I would find it hilarious myself it it wasn't for what is taking place in this nation on a seemingly daily basis.
These folks are going to press as far as they can,......so far,.......nobody is pushing back.
"Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
quote:Originally posted by drobs
Sandusky resident arrested while mowing overgrown city park grass
Friday, May 29, 2009 11:22 AM EDT
SANDUSKY
City police officers weeded out a local man at Central Park who just wanted to cut the grass.
Authorities arrested John Hamilton at 8:30 a.m. Thursday as the 48-year-old mowed the grass at the park.
Police charged the Sunset Drive resident with obstructing official business and persistent disorderly conduct.
Hamilton must appear in Sandusky Municipal Court at 9 a.m. today.
"The other day when I went by, I took a look at it and measured it. It (was) a foot tall," Hamilton said Thursday morning. "We have beautiful parks."
Hamilton said he simply wanted to be a good Samaritan and help keep the parks nice. "I didn't know it was illegal," he said. According to the police report, he was seen mowing the grass by Penny Randleman, a forestry department employee.
The employee said Hamilton was blowing grass onto the sidewalk and shredding trash in the park that had not been picked up prior to mowing, so she called the police.
Upon their arrival, Hamilton told police officers "he is sick of seeing the grass so long in parks, so he is fixing the problem" Police arrested him after he continued to mow when they told him to stop. Officers cited "liability reasons" in the police report.
At the scene, Sandusky police Officer John Powell measured the grass and it was indeed more than one foot high. Police also found the park littered with paper, bottles and children's underwear.
Hamilton said all of it is unacceptable. "They just hired somebody for $90,000," Hamilton said. "Couldn't they hire some kids to mow the yard in the summer?"
Grass cutting has become a major topic this spring. During the past six weeks, many residents have spoken at city commission meetings or called the Register to complain about uncut grass on city property. Scott Miller, director of the general services department, asked the city's fire department this week to help him out.
General services oversees the city's grass cutting. "(Miller) called (Wednesday) and said he's so far behind, he asked if we could help," said fire Chief Mike Meinzer. "So we closed station No. 3 near the causeway and went out to cut the grass at Farwell Park. ... I had told him that if he ever needed help, that's something we could do."
Neighbors helped pick up some litter before the firefighters mowed and he said an interruption of three emergency calls kept them from finishing.
"If it didn't rain, they were going to go back to Farwell (on Thursday) morning and finish it up," he said.
On Wednesday night, city manager Matt Kline said he was aware of the uncut grass problem, but his staff was shorthanded.
Through cuts and attrition, the general services department only has 20 employees. Those 20 employees handle streets and traffic, the cemetery, lands and buildings, horticulture, the greenhouse and forestry.
In better times, the city used to hire about 50 seasonal employees.
"We're having everyone (at general services) grab a lawn mower, regardless of their job," Kline said. "I don't care if a light bulb is out and needs fixing ... or a toilet's backed up and needs plumbing -- just grab a mower."
Late Thursday afternoon, the city sent out a statement about the arrest.
"Today a gentleman's frustration boiled over and he decided to mow Central Park on his own," the news release from Kline's office said, calling the situation unfortunate.
"Although he was asked repeatedly to stop, he persisted and ignored both our horticulture employees and the police officers who became involved." Hamilton said the three officers who arrested him were "quite pleasant and understanding," as well as "sympathetic" to his cause.
He still feels he had a right to cut the grass. "Why can't I?" he asked. "I am a citizen."
quote:Originally posted by victorlvlb
Yeah its all the unions fault. Unions make up only ten percent of the work force in the U.S.A. How many times can you kill a dead horse?
Until the cows come home ![:D]
This horse has more lives than a cat !
quote:Originally posted by Tailgunner1954
quote:Originally posted by john550iw
quote:Originally posted by Tailgunner1954
If a resident mows city properity, than some "poor union worker and his 3 assistants" won't have a job to do. Damn those do-gooder tax payers causing honest hardworking union members to be put out of their job.
BTW, that's also the biggest objection to having jail "residents" do the work, it puts overpaid union "workers" out of a job
There are good and bad union workers don't lump us all together like that. As for being overpaid, sure some are. But what every blue collar worker out there needs to remember is that without unions you would have little or no benefits, lower wages, and longer work weeks with no overtime. The day I see you walking on a beam, hundreds of feet in the air carrying 40lbs of tools and bolts, then you can call ME overpaid. Or then again, maybe you are just upset that you're underpaid.
John
I grew up in a town called PONTIAC, ever heard of it? They make (OK, they made) cars there with the same name. So, ya I know what union "workers" are like (to dumb to tie their shoes and whining about "only" making $35/hour + bennies).
BTW, I've walked steel (not as high however), climbed towers over water, drove heavy truck (330,000 gross on 6 tires), built power lines, designed and built electrical control systems, rigged and moved machinery, handle 480V on a regular basis and have NEVER seen the real need for a union. BTW, my father was a Union Teamster, and he had no use for unions either (and unlike today's "teamsters" he actually knew how to harness a team).
Oh ya, nothing makes me "happier" (being sarcastic) than having to train a union electrician or plumber on HOW their job is supposed to be done.
Oh, so you're a jack off all trades, master of none. what's that pay nowadays, about 13.50? If this country had half the solidarity the Ironworkers do, they would all buy USA made products instead of chinese or korean poop. Like I said before all unions aren't bad, but it seems like the ones you've had the most experience with (auto workers, teamsters) are definetly the most lazy. And I,ve never seen a union electrician or plumber have to be shown how to do thier job by a scabby little rat.
quote:And I,ve never seen a union electrician or plumber have to be shown how to do thier job by a scabby little rat.
Ignoring the ignorant insult, if you haven't ever seen a union spagitti stuffer or plunger operator (or welder or any other trade) that DIDN'T know his trade, than you haven't been around much. In fact this boards very own UNION plunger operator likes to brag about how he and all his local brothers always work while high on drugs.
And as a FYI, I've only got a little over 30 years in as a machine builder/machine repairman, and I've spent most of that time fixing union F-ups.
kansas had an honor camp at Toronto Lake ...kept park areas clean as water level went up & down like a yoyo...did excellent job & built 3 log cabins on point to rent out..did a great job...IDIOTS in Topeka closed it to save money ...BS..just political wrangling...now park/camping areas are a mess & nothing gets done...bet they sub it out to a contractor now...yeah right save money...
quote:Originally posted by Fatstrat
You folks appearntly missed the finer points here. He was arrested for REFUSING TO STOP mowing when told to do so by Police.
OK, Park needed mowed, he wanted to do a good deed. But when told to stop by police, he should have stopped. He got himself arrested by being stupid.
ANd by g-d you will obey the brown shirts. The cops are idiots for arresting him. But they were just following orders eh?
I belong to a range just south of Sandusky. My gunsmith is in Sandusky. It's a podunk little town whose major claim to fame is that Cedar Point is located there.
I see 3 things wrong here.
First, the children's underwear.
Second, that someone was going by and saw someone mowing the grass and called the cops. If you saw someone mowing grass wouldn't you just assume he was supposed to be doing that?
Third that the police ordered him to stop. The MOST they had a right to do was ask if he was going to mow, to pick up the trash first. Again, show me the ordinance that says 'private citizens shall not mow the lawn of public property.' There are anti-littering laws though and the cop had a right to tell him to stop if the mower was shredding the trash, but only to clean it up.
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quote:Originally posted by Tailgunner1954
If a resident mows city properity, than some "poor union worker and his 3 assistants" won't have a job to do. Damn those do-gooder tax payers causing honest hardworking union members to be put out of their job.
BTW, that's also the biggest objection to having jail "residents" do the work, it puts overpaid union "workers" out of a job
There are good and bad union workers don't lump us all together like that. As for being overpaid, sure some are. But what every blue collar worker out there needs to remember is that without unions you would have little or no benefits, lower wages, and longer work weeks with no overtime. The day I see you walking on a beam, hundreds of feet in the air carrying 40lbs of tools and bolts, then you can call ME overpaid. Or then again, maybe you are just upset that you're underpaid.
Unions did some good things back in the early days. But they have become too demanding and strong in this day and age. They were originally formed to keep workers from being abused. They accoplished that and today we have labor laws and a legal system that does a good job protecting workers rights. But today's unions have caused the price of manufactured goods in the United States to skyrocket by demanding ever increasing wages and benefits. In today's global economy such pricy goods cannot compete. So Companies either shut down or move manufacturing overseas. The unions have put their brothers and sisters out of work.
quote:Originally posted by john550iw
quote:Originally posted by Tailgunner1954
If a resident mows city properity, than some "poor union worker and his 3 assistants" won't have a job to do. Damn those do-gooder tax payers causing honest hardworking union members to be put out of their job.
BTW, that's also the biggest objection to having jail "residents" do the work, it puts overpaid union "workers" out of a job
There are good and bad union workers don't lump us all together like that. As for being overpaid, sure some are. But what every blue collar worker out there needs to remember is that without unions you would have little or no benefits, lower wages, and longer work weeks with no overtime. The day I see you walking on a beam, hundreds of feet in the air carrying 40lbs of tools and bolts, then you can call ME overpaid. Or then again, maybe you are just upset that you're underpaid.
Unions did some good things back in the early days. But they have become too demanding and strong in this day and age. They were originally formed to keep workers from being abused. They accoplished that and today we have labor laws and a legal system that does a good job protecting workers rights. But today's unions have caused the price of manufactured goods in the United States to skyrocket by demanding ever increasing wages and benefits. In today's global economy such pricy goods cannot compete. So Companies either shut down or move manufacturing overseas. The unions have put their brothers and sisters out of work.
Agree 100%,.......don't forget BO though.
He may make it to where we can only buy vehicles from Government Motors in the future.
I would find it hilarious myself it it wasn't for what is taking place in this nation on a seemingly daily basis.
These folks are going to press as far as they can,......so far,.......nobody is pushing back.
When you go to court and get a few hours of Community Service.
Guess where you will be and what you will be doing?
Sandusky resident arrested while mowing overgrown city park grass
Friday, May 29, 2009 11:22 AM EDT
SANDUSKY
City police officers weeded out a local man at Central Park who just wanted to cut the grass.
Authorities arrested John Hamilton at 8:30 a.m. Thursday as the 48-year-old mowed the grass at the park.
Police charged the Sunset Drive resident with obstructing official business and persistent disorderly conduct.
Hamilton must appear in Sandusky Municipal Court at 9 a.m. today.
"The other day when I went by, I took a look at it and measured it. It (was) a foot tall," Hamilton said Thursday morning. "We have beautiful parks."
Hamilton said he simply wanted to be a good Samaritan and help keep the parks nice. "I didn't know it was illegal," he said. According to the police report, he was seen mowing the grass by Penny Randleman, a forestry department employee.
The employee said Hamilton was blowing grass onto the sidewalk and shredding trash in the park that had not been picked up prior to mowing, so she called the police.
Upon their arrival, Hamilton told police officers "he is sick of seeing the grass so long in parks, so he is fixing the problem" Police arrested him after he continued to mow when they told him to stop. Officers cited "liability reasons" in the police report.
At the scene, Sandusky police Officer John Powell measured the grass and it was indeed more than one foot high. Police also found the park littered with paper, bottles and children's underwear.
Hamilton said all of it is unacceptable. "They just hired somebody for $90,000," Hamilton said. "Couldn't they hire some kids to mow the yard in the summer?"
Grass cutting has become a major topic this spring. During the past six weeks, many residents have spoken at city commission meetings or called the Register to complain about uncut grass on city property. Scott Miller, director of the general services department, asked the city's fire department this week to help him out.
General services oversees the city's grass cutting. "(Miller) called (Wednesday) and said he's so far behind, he asked if we could help," said fire Chief Mike Meinzer. "So we closed station No. 3 near the causeway and went out to cut the grass at Farwell Park. ... I had told him that if he ever needed help, that's something we could do."
Neighbors helped pick up some litter before the firefighters mowed and he said an interruption of three emergency calls kept them from finishing.
"If it didn't rain, they were going to go back to Farwell (on Thursday) morning and finish it up," he said.
On Wednesday night, city manager Matt Kline said he was aware of the uncut grass problem, but his staff was shorthanded.
Through cuts and attrition, the general services department only has 20 employees. Those 20 employees handle streets and traffic, the cemetery, lands and buildings, horticulture, the greenhouse and forestry.
In better times, the city used to hire about 50 seasonal employees.
"We're having everyone (at general services) grab a lawn mower, regardless of their job," Kline said. "I don't care if a light bulb is out and needs fixing ... or a toilet's backed up and needs plumbing -- just grab a mower."
Late Thursday afternoon, the city sent out a statement about the arrest.
"Today a gentleman's frustration boiled over and he decided to mow Central Park on his own," the news release from Kline's office said, calling the situation unfortunate.
"Although he was asked repeatedly to stop, he persisted and ignored both our horticulture employees and the police officers who became involved." Hamilton said the three officers who arrested him were "quite pleasant and understanding," as well as "sympathetic" to his cause.
He still feels he had a right to cut the grass. "Why can't I?" he asked. "I am a citizen."
Staff writer Tom Jackson contributed to this story.
http://www.sanduskyregister.com/articles/2009/05/29/front/doc4a1ea40fa31bd573383568.txt
see red above...childrens underwear....Id be alittle more concerned about this....
Yeah its all the unions fault. Unions make up only ten percent of the work force in the U.S.A. How many times can you kill a dead horse?
Until the cows come home ![:D]
This horse has more lives than a cat !
quote:Originally posted by john550iw
quote:Originally posted by Tailgunner1954
If a resident mows city properity, than some "poor union worker and his 3 assistants" won't have a job to do. Damn those do-gooder tax payers causing honest hardworking union members to be put out of their job.
BTW, that's also the biggest objection to having jail "residents" do the work, it puts overpaid union "workers" out of a job
There are good and bad union workers don't lump us all together like that. As for being overpaid, sure some are. But what every blue collar worker out there needs to remember is that without unions you would have little or no benefits, lower wages, and longer work weeks with no overtime. The day I see you walking on a beam, hundreds of feet in the air carrying 40lbs of tools and bolts, then you can call ME overpaid. Or then again, maybe you are just upset that you're underpaid.
John
I grew up in a town called PONTIAC, ever heard of it? They make (OK, they made) cars there with the same name. So, ya I know what union "workers" are like (to dumb to tie their shoes and whining about "only" making $35/hour + bennies).
BTW, I've walked steel (not as high however), climbed towers over water, drove heavy truck (330,000 gross on 6 tires), built power lines, designed and built electrical control systems, rigged and moved machinery, handle 480V on a regular basis and have NEVER seen the real need for a union. BTW, my father was a Union Teamster, and he had no use for unions either (and unlike today's "teamsters" he actually knew how to harness a team).
Oh ya, nothing makes me "happier" (being sarcastic) than having to train a union electrician or plumber on HOW their job is supposed to be done.
Oh, so you're a jack off all trades, master of none. what's that pay nowadays, about 13.50? If this country had half the solidarity the Ironworkers do, they would all buy USA made products instead of chinese or korean poop. Like I said before all unions aren't bad, but it seems like the ones you've had the most experience with (auto workers, teamsters) are definetly the most lazy. And I,ve never seen a union electrician or plumber have to be shown how to do thier job by a scabby little rat.
Ignoring the ignorant insult, if you haven't ever seen a union spagitti stuffer or plunger operator (or welder or any other trade) that DIDN'T know his trade, than you haven't been around much. In fact this boards very own UNION plunger operator likes to brag about how he and all his local brothers always work while high on drugs.
And as a FYI, I've only got a little over 30 years in as a machine builder/machine repairman, and I've spent most of that time fixing union F-ups.
Now THAT would be poetic justice.
I agree with you that would be great. My problem is that I can't imagine ten percent of the work force causing all are problems.
You folks appearntly missed the finer points here. He was arrested for REFUSING TO STOP mowing when told to do so by Police.
OK, Park needed mowed, he wanted to do a good deed. But when told to stop by police, he should have stopped. He got himself arrested by being stupid.
ANd by g-d you will obey the brown shirts. The cops are idiots for arresting him. But they were just following orders eh?
I see 3 things wrong here.
First, the children's underwear.
Second, that someone was going by and saw someone mowing the grass and called the cops. If you saw someone mowing grass wouldn't you just assume he was supposed to be doing that?
Third that the police ordered him to stop. The MOST they had a right to do was ask if he was going to mow, to pick up the trash first. Again, show me the ordinance that says 'private citizens shall not mow the lawn of public property.' There are anti-littering laws though and the cop had a right to tell him to stop if the mower was shredding the trash, but only to clean it up.