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I bet that there .223 whould even shoot faster and hit harder than even the mighty 7mm.What a joke. Who even cares if someone likes or dislikes a certain caliber. The only one who weems to be doing all the complaining is NOT Bullzeye.I hat Ruger's. So what. Is that any reason for anyone to start a huge test/video/arguement?Geez let it rest.There are big buddits and small buddits they all have uses and nobody will ever agree on which is best.None of the people arguing this point is right. It is a matter of personal taste and WHO IN THE HECK CARES if B-eye hates the .223. To tell you the truth I will never buy a 7mm.So what.
Here I'll do what Clouder is afraid to do. I'll post what I am talking about. Nosler Ballistic Tipr VarmintGo ahead, drive `em out of that Swift as fast as you can. You won't find any speed limits on these bullets to slow you down. Nosler Ballistic Tipr Varmint bullets thrive on ultra-high velocity loads. Even if you're loading for a Hornet, Zipper or Bee, these hot little devils will go the distance with spectacular results all the way down to the lowest practical velocity level. 1. Nestled in the jacket mouth is the streamlined polycarbonate tip, color-coded by caliber.2. The Ballistic Tipr Varmint's ultra thin jacket mouth assures violent expansion at either end of the velocity scale.3. The uniform, gradual thickening of the jacket wall at the bullet's mid-section is designed to keep the Ballistic Tipr Varmint together until impact - at any velocity.4. The heavy jacket base prevents bullet deformation during firing.5. Nosler's unique Solid Baser boat tail design, combined with the polycarbonate tip, dramatically increases long range ballistic efficiency. Ballistic Tipr HuntingIn a perfect world, there would be no changing winds, no hunting pressure, no wary, spooked, or running game that might require a fleeting or distant shot. And all it would take to bring down that trophy buck would be a textbook 100 yard broadside shot. Fortunately for us, the real world of hunting is a bit more challenging than that. In fact, the more you hunt, the more you realize how unpredictable and unforgiving nature can be--which is why we engineered the Ballistic Tipr Hunting bullet to be very predictable and extremely forgiving. 1. The Ballistic Tipr Hunting bullet's polycarbonate tip resists deformation in the magazine and initiates expansion upon impact. 2. Fully tapered jacket and special lead alloy core allows controlled expansion and optimum weight retention at all practical velocity levels.3. Heavy jacket base acts as a platform for large diameter mushroom.4. Ballistically engineered Solid Baser boat tail configuration combines with the streamlined polycarbonate tip for extreme long range performance. Now do you see the difference in the 2 Ballistic Tip bullets? The 30 caliber 125 grain is of the hunting version.
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Allen, do you remember a thread I had last year about shooting a deer with the '06 using the 125 grain bal tip, you blasted all over me for using a varmit bullet on a deer! Make up your mind dude! Like I said, all I was doing was showing the .223 was capable of doing damage comparable to the '06, it don't matter what the heck round I used because I got the results that I wanted. I use that 55 grain bal tip on deer and it works EXTEMELY WELL, it will open a deers rib cage up right now, it does tremendous damage when it hits bone. Now, hows that for a varmit bullet on a deer. You seem hell bent on proving me wrong on something totally different than what I was doing, read this close with both eyes open Allen,THE IDEA WAS TO SHOW THAT A .223 CAN AND WILL INFLICT DAMAGE, THE LOAD I USED IS NOT WHAT'S IN QUESTION, THE THING I SHOWED WAS THAT A .223 IS CAPABLE OF INFLICTING DAMAGE NOT TO SHOW THE '06 UP. I DIDNT EXPECT THE RESULTS I GOT BUT I WAS IMPRESSED MYSELF. NOW I CAN LOAD A SHELL FOR THE '06 THAT WILL MAKE THE .223 LOOK BAD, THAT'S EASY. I TOOK A .223 AND MADE IT PERFORM AND THATS WHAT BUGS YOU. YOU WILL CONSTANTLY TRY TO MAKE IT SOUND AS IF IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE. YOU AND BULLZEYE CLAIM THE .223 WILL NOT DO ANYTHING BUT KILL SMALL ANIMALS, I SHOWED YOU THAT IF YOU LOAD IT RIGHT IT CAN HAVE EXPLOSIVE RESULTS. DO YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT IT WILL DO TO A DEER? I WILL GO TO THE FARM TONITE AND SHOOT ONE ON VIDEO FOR YOU SO YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS. OR ARE YOU SCARED TO SEE THAT YOU DO NOT NEED A CANNON TO KILL A DEER. WILL IT BOTHER YOU TO SEE SOMEONE MAKE THE .223 WORK. I SHOWED YOU SOMETHING YOU DID NOT LIKE, A .223 DOING MORE THAN JUST GOING BANG, I SHOWED YOU THAT YOU CAN LOAD IT TO WORK AND YOU CONSTANTLY TELL ME TYO LOAD THE '06 TO SHOWE IT UP, THATS EASY BUT FOR WHAT I USED, ACCORDING TO YOU A HUNTING BULLET MADE TO DROP A DEER, I LOADED A .223 TO DO THE SAME AND THAT MY FREIND ERKS YOU. HAVE A NICE DAY:0 Next!!!
.218, tell you what , make me a good deal on one and I'll buy it from you, nobody up here sells them unless you order it and that gets costly, when th dealer has to look thru his books to find one the price goes up. I would like to have one of those, just like I would like to have a .17 rem and a .17hmr . I think it's cool using teeny tiny calibers to make the magnum lover cry, they just can't handfle the thought that some body knows how to make a small gun do the same job as their guns. Nad before this gets out of hand, no I will not shoot a bear with it, that's nutso and I do not plan on going hunting anything bigger than deer with it either. There is however a guy here who hunts black bear with a .243, hey whatever trips your trigger, I want something a little bigger for bear. All i'm trying to say is a small cal is quite fine for deer as long as you use ammo that will kill. And that 55 grain bal tip wirks great on them.
Actually 7mm, unless you can show that thread where I had blasted all over you for using the 125 for deer and me calling it a Varmint bullet I'll apologize, if you can't you're a liar for saying that I ever did say that. Now prove what you just stated in the above post. And I don't ever remember saying anything on this thread about what the 223 with the BT will or will not do. You were trying to compare one caliber over another but with different style bullets. That is where the apples over oranges came in. What are you so afraid of finding out by comparing varmint bullet against varmint bullet. You are the one that tried to impress us with these picture of the 223 doing what it is doing.
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Why do I want to use a TNT or anything like that in the '06???????? What part of this don't you get, it's not about what does the most damage, it is to show that the .223 will do the damage you claim it won't. The '06 was used for comparson only, not to make the '06 look bad, I wanted to show what the '06 did, no matter what the load was, to show what a .223 will do. You are arguing something I was not trying to do. You are missing the point, you are missing the point, you are offended that the .223 did what it did, now you want to see a 110 grain tnt perform so you can say, "looky looky, the '06 did it better!!" that is not what I was showing, when are you going to see that? Jeeze this guy is as dense as Bullzeye! For a skinny guy I shore do fat finger a lot of keys on this keyboard, that and I think I'm dyslexic sometimes.[This message has been edited by 7mm nut (edited 04-07-2002).]
7mm I know where your comming from. Had you used my 416 Rigby in your test all you would have video of is the water leaking out of the 2 holes in the gallon jug. While I personaly don't care for the 223, I do respect it as being effective down range.Don't let it bother you.
7mm, you really have a bad habit of putting words in my mouth. I have not ever never said the 223 will not do what it is you are saying it did. What part about you being a moron don't you understand. And I have $1000 cash money that says your 223 will not do what my Magnums will. You up for the challenge?
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Allen, you are one and the same with Bullzeye! I'm going to try and put this into simple terms, I'll talk like I'm talking to one of my kids, ok? The 30-06 is a popular hunting cartridge. Right? Ok, now a .223 is not a popular cartridge due to it's size, right? It has been said that a .223 will not inflict enough damage to kill a deer on this forum, right? I grabbed the 30-06 and my favorite .223. I grabbed the shells I use for deer in .223. I also grabbed shells for the 30-06 that I have used for deer. I used the 30-06 as a platform for damage inflicted by a common deer rifle,(here is where you mess up allen) only to show what a common deer rifle does. I then grabbed the .223 and made an attempt to come close to the damage inflicted by the known deer rifle. The .223 surpassed my expectations and made a big mess. At no time was this an attempt to say the .223 would outperform the 30-06. Now why do insist on making the .223 look bad, what do you have against it. Unless you are like Bullzeye and feel that there is no such thing as too much gun. I don't know what to say other than you and a few others claim it will not kill a deer and I may have to get drastic and prove just that. I feel that under a lot of circumstances that I hunt under, there is no need for a big gun when the .223 does the job fine. To make this simple, let's forget about the water jugs, this weekend I will have video and pics of what the .223 will do on deer. No other guns, you claim a .223 is too wimpy to kill a deer, that is what this entire debate is about, you bull heads think it won't kill. OK, I can prove you wrong, no problem. Let the games begin. You missed the entire point, I tried to prove a .223 is not a bb gun like you and Bullzeye claim it is, now you keep ranting about how I used a crappy load and the wrong bullets in the '06, you keep insisting that you can show the .223 up, I never said you can't. I can show it up easy. My 7mm will eat that .223 alive, heck it will even make my '06 look bad. No problem, go load up a super fast varmit load and blow something up, I showed what I wanted to. And this crap with you screaming,, "but but but but but but use a bigger gun, use a bigger load, you cheated, get a bigger load!!!!!!" is getting silly, at no time did I say what you are implying I said, I never tried to SHOW UP the '06, I mearly used it as a measuring tool, but you are too stupid to see that.
It's amazing how this got so personal between certain individuals and the .223. It is almost as if a .223 cartrige grew legs and kicked someone's puppy. Amazing.
Ids, I tried to do something simple, show the .223 has some punch, Allen it taking it personal, he is now on a quest to prove that the .223 can be outdone. I never once denied that, I never said it was better than a larger rifle. I mearly said it was capable of more than some say it is. Thats all I treid to do, and look what happened. allen hates the .223 and is going beserk to prove his point. I think it's funny! I wanted to show something and he don't like it, he keeps saying the 30,06 will make a bigger splash, it sure will, I never denied that. I just said the .223 will kill deer, he thinks I'm a moron. Ohh well, I know what it will do, I know it will kill deer, thats all I'm worried about. But I will get out and shoot one on film. Sometime this week I'll get over to the farm and shoot a deer just to prove once and for all that when I hit a deer with those Bal tips in the shoulder, it drops on the spot, may not die for a couple seconds but it aint gettin up and runnin.
I don`t see how anyone could claim that you have some kind of agenda here...if that were the case,I suppose you could have used the 7MM ULTRA MAG.....that would likely put the ol` whup * on a milk jug!! .218
Thats right, that 7mm is impressive for what it is. But the funny thing is I've always liked the smaller cals. Kinda like the underdog. And we have people around here like these guys. I go on a big drive up here a couple times every deer season and these guys are armed to the teeth, I showed up one day with the .223 and they just about laughed me right back into my pickup! I usually carry the old 760 game blaster when I go there because the ribbing get a little intense over the .223! I guess some guys are set in their ways so much they will never accept anything different.
Marsha, Marsha, Marsha.....Jimeny Christmas (ask Ids how I REALLY speak, just with all the little old ladies posting on this board as of late I don't want to offend) can't you just agree to disagree?How many times has this argument occurred? Granted along some SLIGHTLY different variations, but it always comes back to this. A couple of knowledgable grown men bantering back and forth like a couple of pre-pubescant little girls. Grow up everybody. The only reason I check back up on these threads is to see the humor interjected by one of the more lighthearted of the gang. -F***ing Ferg
Some people just shouldn't be allowed to breed
Hey!Dont keep writing me into this argument.I did my one post, I read the responses, and I shut up.It's not like I posted 12 times and kept arguing.C'mon, guys.
For the illiterate, what does "VS" mean. Is it anything like Tyson "VS" Holyfield, Ali "VS" Fraser. 7mm, you are the one that tiled this thread as the 30-06 "VS" 223. No comparison because you refuse to use the same type bullets against each other in the different calibers. Maybe you shoud have titled it the 223 Ballistic Tip "VS" the 223 TNT. ou keep saying that were not trying to say that the 223 was superior to the 30-06. Well when you put Ali in the ring "VS" Fraser, it is to see whom is the best.7mm, I have never ever said that the 223 will not kill a deer. It is you that have stated that your teeny tiny bullets will do what my bigger bullets will do."I think it's cool using teeny tiny calibers to make the magnum lover cry, they just can't handfle the thought that some body knows how to make a small gun do the same job as their guns."Now either put up your $1000 to put your eeny teeny bullets against my big bullets, or just tell all the nice folks here that you were telling a white lie. Gee, you sure like to rag on Bullzeye about his 2 shots and the tree, but it seems ok for you to tell the same caliber of a lie and expect to walk away clean. Be a MAN, fess up and tell us you were lying.I have not taken any of this personally, just have no use for a person that will go on a public forum and tell BALD FACED LIES and not expect to be taken to task on it.
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Here's what I know about the .223They laid a lot of VC to rest.We had access to just about every weapon imaginable, and also used the M-16. One shot can kill anything in the right spot.Damage doesn't matter --- dead does !De Oppresso Liber !
Let me also piggy back on what Old Sf-er said. Much has been said on these boards about "wounding" the enemy so that it takes other enemy to carry them off. I agree with that at times; depends on the mission.In battle, the prime objective is to lure the enemy into the killing zone, and get the job done - then evaporate, leaving as little trace evidence as possible. The .223 round is very capable of getting the job done, with a single shot in the right place. You may remember that the VC had an AK that fired .223, so that they could use our ammo.I believe another reason was to duplicate the report (sound) of the M-16.
Clouder, I'm not worried about it, most of what I posted was for fun, to stir the pot as some call it. I did however send him an email trying to bury the hatchet and telling him I will admit to a couple mistakes I made, and that I would admit to them for all to see. I asked him mearly to clear up a couple of his mistakes as well and we could both give up the name calling. As of yet though i have not seen a reply to it and I aint budging untill I see an effort on his part as well. I aint hard to get alongf with but I hate being called a liar when I know I did not lie, I misquoted a couple things and accidentaly posted bad info out of haste, and I will admit to my mistakes but I'm not giving in till he does. I'm going to be a bullheaded brat for awhile.
If you want my guns you will have to kill me first. I was born free and to take that from me you better be ready to fight.
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.....someday, this war is going to be over.Robert Duvall
War never ends, that's what keeps guys like me and Old Sf'er in business.
"De Oppresso Liber"
That Al guy is a pesky little dude ain't he. Don't let him get yer goat.
Clouder..
Never shoot a skunk in your own front yard!
If you want my guns you will have to kill me first. I was born free and to take that from me you better be ready to fight.
A little advise for you. For safety please make that the BB gun is unloaded before you club the deer with it.:)