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SOMALIA- Rescue Operation success . . .
Alan Rushing
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More than a mite interesting info:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/25/world/africa/somalia-aid-workers/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
http://news.yahoo.com/navy-seals-rescue-two-aid-workers-somalia-daring-105651769--abc-news.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/26/world/africa/us-raid-frees-2-hostages-from-somali-pirates.html
Just a short and quick heads-up for anyone here that had not caught this as yet.
(If this had already been posted, I missed it!)
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/25/world/africa/somalia-aid-workers/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
http://news.yahoo.com/navy-seals-rescue-two-aid-workers-somalia-daring-105651769--abc-news.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/26/world/africa/us-raid-frees-2-hostages-from-somali-pirates.html
Just a short and quick heads-up for anyone here that had not caught this as yet.
(If this had already been posted, I missed it!)
Comments
What I can't believe are these morons that go to Somalia knowing what's going on there. They put themselves in grave danger and then the SEALS that have to rescue them. Send Ms. Buchanan the bill for this operation and I mean every penny.
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What I can't believe are these morons that go to Somalia knowing what's going on there. They put themselves in grave danger and then the SEALS that have to rescue them. Send Ms. Buchanan the bill for this operation and I mean every penny.
She's probably a lib pacifist, hates the military, and * all the way back to civilization. [V]
quote:Originally posted by m88.358win
What I can't believe are these morons that go to Somalia knowing what's going on there. They put themselves in grave danger and then the SEALS that have to rescue them. Send Ms. Buchanan the bill for this operation and I mean every penny.
She's probably a lib pacifist, hates the military, and * all the way back to civilization. [V]
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What I can't believe are these morons that go to Somalia knowing what's going on there. They put themselves in grave danger and then the SEALS that have to rescue them. Send Ms. Buchanan the bill for this operation and I mean every penny.
I'm sure that folks here Stateside must well realize the fact that often things are not as they seem to be....
More often than not, our folks elsewhere in the World are the eyes and the ears (and sometimes, much more) for our Government.
Most international aide workers are well aware of the risks that they are taking ... and for what ever their reasons, are willing to subject themselves to those risks. Whether they take the risk for the altruistic interests of those most in need of help, or for their: Nation, their Religion, their Philosophy of Life, their own needs ... whatever, they go there accepting those risks.
quote:Originally posted by River Rat
[br}quote:Originally posted by shilowar
quote:Originally posted by m88.358win
What I can't believe are these morons that go to Somalia knowing what's going on there. They put themselves in grave danger and then the SEALS that have to rescue them. Send Ms. Buchanan the bill for this operation and I mean every penny.
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She's probably a lib pacifist, hates the military, and * all the way back to civilization. [V]
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It isn't that she has more cajones than some of you guys ... rather, some guys here seem to have less in the way of cajones than she does . . .
That seems to be the notion here with many responders ... if one won't or can't do something that others accomplish or do with themselves and with their lives ... just trash them.
Don't get off the couch, don't get away from the TV, don't get away from the computer screen ... just talk chit about them, cause one don't compete with them. [V] [:(] [:(!]
I thought it a positive note that some folks kidnapped by thugs was rescued and are on their way home to their families and friends.
I had not thought about attacking them and maybe even condoning? the thugs that were taken out of action.
My BAD ! [:0] [8] [B)]
It isn't that she has more cajones than guys ... but many of the folks here seem to have less cajones than she does . . .
That seems to be the notion here with many responders ... if one can't or won't do something that others do. Well then talk chit about them, cause one can't or won't compete! [V] [:(] [:(!]
Who are you criticizing?
quote:Originally posted by Alan Rushing
It isn't that she has more cajones than guys ... but many of the folks here seem to have less cajones than she does . . .
That seems to be the notion here with many responders ... if one can't or won't do something that others do. Well then talk chit about them, cause one can't or won't compete! [V] [:(] [:(!]
Who are you criticizing?
Criticizing - NO. Observations - YES!
Let's see now ... read from the top of the post ... and try to figure it out.
quote:Originally posted by 17tobyracing
quote:Originally posted by River Rat
[br}quote:Originally posted by shilowar
quote:Originally posted by m88.358win
What I can't believe are these morons that go to Somalia knowing what's going on there. They put themselves in grave danger and then the SEALS that have to rescue them. Send Ms. Buchanan the bill for this operation and I mean every penny.
+1
She's probably a lib pacifist, hates the military, and * all the way back to civilization. [V]
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It isn't that she has more cajones than some of you guys ... rather, some guys here seem to have less in the way of cajones than she does . . .
That seems to be the notion here with many responders ... if one won't or can't do something that others accomplish or do with themselves and with their lives ... just trash them.
Don't get off the couch, don't get away from the TV, don't get away from the computer screen ... just talk chit about them, cause one don't compete with them. [V] [:(] [:(!]
I thought it a positive note that some folks kidnapped by thugs was rescued and are on their way home to their families and friends.
I had not thought about attacking them and maybe even condoning? the thugs that were taken out of action.
My BAD ! [:0] [8] [B)]
...and how would you know who has and has not gotten off of the couch, away from the tv, or stepped away from the computer screen?
Who is condoning the actions of the "thugs"?
I did not change what I said, but was attempting to get the forum to copy what the responses had been ... and by whom.
I appreciate the fact that you are attempting to count.
I had posted the news above in anticipation that others could receive it as positive that some folks that had been kidnapped were recued.
I was wrong though, the fact is that the four repondents attack the woman that had been kidnapped! Hopefully this is no barometer of the psych of Americans today.
An American is rescued from the thugs, and your comments are all trash talk direcdted at her. No kudoos to the rescuers or anyone, just talk trash! Impressive!
PS: Oh, and I do appreciate the fact that you are attempting to count.
Any distraction when your negativity is noted or commented upon, I'd expect nothing less from your tenor.
IMO this rescue mission was more about pumping up a failing President then it was about rescuing one American. Coincidentally occurred just before the State of the Union Address, I imagine it was originally timed so he could announce it during t5he address, but something delayed there confirmation so he couldn't grab that spot light.
And if anyone believes that this was not a political move then,,can't talk to you,,you are to far removed from the world.
SEALS did a great job,,,great for them and continue on their forages with success.
I didn't trash talk her. However I do think it is a waste of resources to rescue 1 individual that intentionally put themselves in a position to be abducted. I have no sympathy for Americans that think they can travel all over the world, to hostile environments with out risk to their personal safety. IMO calling her a moron for placing herself in this situation is accurate, rather than trashing her. Has more to do with stupidity and really poor judgement IMO than cajones.
IMO this rescue mission was more about pumping up a failing President then it was about rescuing one American. Coincidentally occurred just before the State of the Union Address, I imagine it was originally timed so he could announce it during t5he address, but something delayed there confirmation so he couldn't grab that spot light.
B-I-N-G-O!!!
Yes, I attempted to simplify my response, so that it could be understood by near anyone and everyone.
I did not change what I said, but was attempting to get the forum to copy what the responses had been ... and by whom.
I appreciate the fact that you are attempting to count.
I had posted the news above in anticipation that others could receive it as positive that some folks that had been kidnapped were recued.
I was wrong though, the fact is that the four repondents attack the woman that had been kidnapped! Hopefully this is no barometer of the psych of Americans today.
An American is rescued from the thugs, and your comments are all trash talk direcdted at her. No kudoos to the rescuers or anyone, just talk trash! Impressive!
PS: Oh, and I do appreciate the fact that you are attempting to count.
Any distraction when your negativity is noted or commented upon, I'd expect nothing less from your tenor.
A little judgemental there aren't you Alan?
Calling her an idiot is not "trash talking"....it is the truth!! Sorry you don't like it. Using our military to go rescue them put men and equipment at risk.
If you are so concerned about it....YOU go next time.
BTW, this is the internet, you should not get so angry it affects your spelling.[:I]
One last thing.....I'm pretty sure the guys that went on the mission felt the same way I do. Not that I know anything about soldiers.[}:)]
This could be Locust Forks daughter, how would you feel then. God bless and protect the Navy Seals
The same....sorry, Kasey.
And I'm not talking about missionary folk who risk all in places like Sudan, Somalia, and Mozambique to bring the Gospel to folks, and also meet their worldly needs. Those people need food, water, the basic things of life. And yes, they need Jesus (hope I don't get spanked for saying that). I have met a few recently, and they are my heroes. THEY have cojones!![:0]
As for the notion that "we can find people here to help," do we really believe folks in Amereica are just as bad off as these African hell-holes?
This could be Locust Forks daughter, how would you feel then. God bless and protect the Navy Seals
I've got an older sister that is a RN, and she has this Joan of Arch complex and desires to one day sell all her stuff and go to some 3rd World Crap hole to help people. I've told her many times that ..# 1 there are plenty of folks in this Country that need free medical treatment and help, so she doesn't need to go to some 3rd World crap hole and # 2 that if she goes some place like that she is on her own, nice attractive white girl she's asking to get brutally raped and murdered in a horrible way. So I'll be sad if that happens to her, but its her life and if she decides to put herself in that position there is nothing I can do.
Let me add one question: How do some of you feel about firefighters that get injured or killed running into burning buildings to save someone?
A. Brave for putting themselves at risk to help someone in need.
B. Dumb for running into a burning building.
I figure most people can figure out how I feel about people that put themselves in these positions.
Rather like the 'mountain climbers' that go out in the worst conditions, and require other people to put their lives on the line due to their stupidity, and selfishness.
Want to risk your life?
Do it,.........just accept the possible consequences of your own actions.
I can see where some of the commentators are coming from. That doesn't mean I agree with them. If somebody decides to go hiking near the Iranian border I do not have as much sympathy for them as I do for somebody, who even though they know the risks, decides to put themselves in harms way to help others. Kudos to the SEALS.
Let me add one question: How do some of you feel about firefighters that get injured or killed running into burning buildings to save someone?
A. Brave for putting themselves at risk to help someone in need.
B. Dumb for running into a burning building.
Often times a burning building cannot be helped. Faulty wiring,.....accident,.....etc.
Apples and oranges IMHO.
And yes, I used to be a firefighter.
quote:Originally posted by jev1969
I can see where some of the commentators are coming from. That doesn't mean I agree with them. If somebody decides to go hiking near the Iranian border I do not have as much sympathy for them as I do for somebody, who even though they know the risks, decides to put themselves in harms way to help others. Kudos to the SEALS.
Let me add one question: How do some of you feel about firefighters that get injured or killed running into burning buildings to save someone?
A. Brave for putting themselves at risk to help someone in need.
B. Dumb for running into a burning building.
Often times a burning building cannot be helped. Faulty wiring,.....accident,.....etc.
Apples and oranges IMHO.
And yes, I used to be a firefighter.
exactly, not quite the same!
You want to go snow shoe on Mt Rainier...have at it...if there is an avalanche..your chit out of luck, enjoy enternity as a popsicle [:p]
quote:Originally posted by jev1969
I can see where some of the commentators are coming from. That doesn't mean I agree with them. If somebody decides to go hiking near the Iranian border I do not have as much sympathy for them as I do for somebody, who even though they know the risks, decides to put themselves in harms way to help others. Kudos to the SEALS.
Let me add one question: How do some of you feel about firefighters that get injured or killed running into burning buildings to save someone?
A. Brave for putting themselves at risk to help someone in need.
B. Dumb for running into a burning building.
Often times a burning building cannot be helped. Faulty wiring,.....accident,.....etc.
Apples and oranges IMHO.
And yes, I used to be a firefighter.
Ummm? I don't get the faulty wire part of your response. How a building catches fire doesn't change the fact that firefighters enter the building, putting themselves at risk, to help others. Like I said, I don't have much sympathy for hikers that go near the Iranian border or as someone mentioned climbers that go out in blizzard conditions. This wasn't the case though. These two people put themselves at risk to help others. Unlike others here they have my sypmathy.
A lot of us were simply trying to point out how people can do stupid things to put themselves in unnecessary danger.
Firefighters are paid to put out fires, and most of the time a house fire is not intentional.
Just because someone is doing something to help another does not take away the fact that they need to accept the risk, and not depend upon another to risk their life rescuing them.
I am most happy that none of the Seals were injured, or killed.
I am not unhappy that the folks were rescued.[:)]
A lot of us were simply trying to point out how people can do stupid things to put themselves in unnecessary danger.
Firefighters are paid to put out fires, and most of the time a house fire is not intentional.
Just because someone is doing something to help another does not take away the fact that they need to accept the risk, and not depend upon another to risk their life rescuing them.
I am most happy that none of the Seals were injured, or killed.
On that we definately agree. [;)]
I am not unhappy that the folks were rescued.[:)]
A lot of us were simply trying to point out how people can do stupid things to put themselves in unnecessary danger.
Firefighters are paid to put out fires, and most of the time a house fire is not intentional.
Just because someone is doing something to help another does not take away the fact that they need to accept the risk, and not depend upon another to risk their life rescuing them.
I am most happy that none of the Seals were injured, or killed.
These folks were trying to do the same thing as firefighters -- help folks that are in a situation they did not intend to be in. In the case, the folks they were helping were born into a "burning house", if you will.
I didn't see anywhere in the articles indicating where either the American or Dane expected rescue by the Navy SEALs, requested the rescue, or felt that they would be rescued should such a situation occur.
I'm glad they are safe. I'm also glad our troops that carried out the mission are safe, and the bad guys dead. Kudos to them.
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
I am not unhappy that the folks were rescued.[:)]
A lot of us were simply trying to point out how people can do stupid things to put themselves in unnecessary danger.
Firefighters are paid to put out fires, and most of the time a house fire is not intentional.
Just because someone is doing something to help another does not take away the fact that they need to accept the risk, and not depend upon another to risk their life rescuing them.
I am most happy that none of the Seals were injured, or killed.
These folks were trying to do the same thing as firefighters -- help folks that are in a situation they did not intend to be in. In the case, the folks they were helping were born into a "burning house", if you will.
I didn't see anywhere in the articles indicating where either the American or Dane expected rescue by the Navy SEALs, requested the rescue, or felt that they would be rescued should such a situation occur.
I'm glad they are safe. I'm also glad our troops that carried out the mission are safe, and the bad guys dead. Kudos to them.
You make some good points
I would point out that rescuing a Fire Fighter from a burning building doesn't often require a Satellites, Multiple Aircraft, support personnel, and a platoon of NAVY SEALs at a cost of millions to tax payers.
If they did NOT, we may or may not hear.
So regardless of her aspirations or his, I am glad that they were gotten out of there.
I'm glad that some of the kidnappers were able to pay the total price, and others will no doubt be held accountable as well.
I doubt that what we have heard the total story and may never hear. I expect that many more dramatic things have and will be happenig behind the scenes.
I hope that the news reports and the quotes alledgedly from folks still on the ground over there, do not have negative consequesces for any of the "good guys".
Some folks rightly have hard feelings when the US forces do not go into hostile environs to protect our citizens, allies and interests.
When the US forces do go in to these environs ... I feel supportive. I tend to be pro for the US and our forces that are given assignments in harms way ... my BAD!
I'm not so proud of myself ... but I am proud of Americans, allies, and friends that take on missions and assignments that I would avoid.
Best
I hope that all of our guys made it back alive, sound and safe.
If they did NOT, we may or may not hear.
So regardless of her aspirations or his, I am glad that they were gotten out of there.
I'm glad that some of the kidnappers were able to pay the total price, and others will no doubt be held accountable as well.
I doubt that what we have heard is the total story ... and I expect that many dramatic things have and will be happenig behind the scenes.
I hope that the news reports and the quotes alledgedly from folks still on the ground over there, do not have negative consequesces for any of the "good guys".
Some folks rightly have hard feelings when the US forces do not go into hostile environs to protect our citizens, allies and interests.
When the US forces do go in to these environs ... I feel supportive. I tend to be pro for the US and our forces that are given assignments in harms way ... my BAD!
I'm not proud of myself ... but I am proud of Americans and others that take on missions and assignments that I would avoid.
Best
Once again, who is condoning the actions of the "thugs"? ...and who has posted anything negative or unsupportive of our Service Men?
Maybe the young female do-gooder would be better off staying in the United States and helping Americans who are in need, instead of going to foreign lands and attempting to help primatives. It certainly would be less dangerous for her and won't require the aid of the American Military to get her rear out of trouble.
Congrats to the volunteers that were rescued as well. In a no good deed goes unpunished world. There is some justice for evil doers.
Great job Seals.But tell me why they(Bonzo's bunch) waited until the Eve of the State of the Union message to announce the rescue of the detainee's by the Seals? Could this be purely political?Did this action coincide with his speech? Those folks were captured in Oct.? Why wait until Jan.?[?]
The reports are saying the Somalis were offered as much as 1 million dollars in ransom for their release.
Shoulda taken the money
quote:Originally posted by m88.358win
What I can't believe are these morons that go to Somalia knowing what's going on there. They put themselves in grave danger and then the SEALS that have to rescue them. Send Ms. Buchanan the bill for this operation and I mean every penny.
"She's probably a lib pacifist, hates the military, and * all the way back to civilization."[V] [V]
Well you appear to be right-on correct and all of that, as noted below:
"Jessica Buchanan attended Valley Forge Christian College in Pennsylvania, graduating in 2006...
During and after college, Ms Buchanan taught a school in Nairobi, Kenya...
Ms Buchanan is a regional education adviser with the demining group.
She moved to Somalia in 2009 with her Danish husband, Erik Landemalm, an aid worker whom she met in Africa...
The family of Ms Buchanan said her rescue was "an unbelievable answer to prayers", and her brother, Stephen Buchanan said: "It is a great day to be an American. We are very proud and very thankful to Seal Team Six."
Yeah, your "comments" and your estimations of her character and designs are verrry clear and of course must be valid. She reeks of of being an anti-American, people-lover, attempting to educate folks and teaching subversive ideas and such. Kudos!
And you think of yourself as ... WHAT! [:(] [xx(] [:(]
I understand you now! [V] [:(] [:(!]
quote:Originally posted by m88.358win
What I can't believe are these morons that go to Somalia knowing what's going on there. They put themselves in grave danger and then the SEALS that have to rescue them. Send Ms. Buchanan the bill for this operation and I mean every penny.
She's probably a lib pacifist, hates the military, and * all the way back to civilization. [V]
If that's the case, then I would look upon her with great condemnation.
If, however, this woman felt that it was the right and decent thing and even Christinan thing to go to areas where there is war and suffering and to provide care and assistance to the down-trodden, then that is a whole nother matter entirely, isn't it? (And please realize that while the US government often urges aid workers not to go to war zones and bad areas, the government greatly appreciates how such people spread American goodwill. An American nurse that helps deliver and nurse to health a sickly baby will bring about eternal thanks and goodwill from that child, its family, and all the relatives. Such things are absolute moral goods, damn good PR, and show a side of America the rest of the world should see.)
And if this woman is a CIA case officer who went undercover risking life and limb to gather intelligence in a horrifically violent part of the world, that's a whole nothing matter entirely, too, isn't it? And BTW, if she was a case officer do you honestly think she'd say so?
You've thrown out an incredibly ugly slur against a human being who--on what has been reported in the papers--seems to be trying to carry out Jesus's commandment to bring aid and comfort to the poor and suffering. Again, if you're right that she's some anti-American wacko, then I agree that she should be condemned. If, on the other hand, one of the other two scenarios I've presented are correct, I hope someday our paths can cross so show you exactly how such ugly comments about a person trying to do good in this world makes me feel.