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Silverking
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a 500 yard match. Would you go with a 30-06 or .308?
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Check Remington's ammo tables. The '06 is more accurate when using the same bullet weight.
a 500 yard match. Would you go with a 30-06 or .308?
Use the one you can shoot the best while quivering.[:D]
The 308 is a WAS DESIGNED as reduced power 30-06.
The 30-06 is probably the greatest American rifle cartridge ever fielded.
The 308 is a WAS DESIGNED as reduced power 30-06.
The 30-06 is probably the greatest American rifle cartridge ever fielded.
What kind of answer is that?
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
The 308 is a WAS DESIGNED as reduced power 30-06.
The 30-06 is probably the greatest American rifle cartridge ever fielded.
What kind of answer is that?
Why, the right one of course!
The 7.62x51 is the Assault/Sturmgewehre cartridge of choice
Why, the right one of course!
The 7.62x51 is the Assault/Sturmgewehre cartridge of choice
Heh-heh-heh. I thought 7.62x51 was for "Battle Rifles" and "Assault Rifles" fired stuff like 5.56mm and 7.62x39.
Interesting that the maximum effective range of the M1, M14 and M16 is the same (500 yards).
It may shoot that far but as far as effective,,naw no way
The 30-06 is probably the greatest American rifle cartridge ever fielded.
X-RING!!!!!! 100 years old and still kickin' *!
The 308 is a WAS DESIGNED as reduced power 30-06.
The 30-06 is probably the greatest American rifle cartridge ever fielded.
Actually that is not the right answer. The .308 was intended to dublicate 06 ballistics in a short cartridge. It got about 90% of the way there, but it was never intended to be a reduced power 06.
I think I might be SOL, I don't think I am a 500 yard shooter, though I don't have a 500 yard range to try it on. Lets see that is how much drop?
everything you need right there, far better stabilized bullet
DWS, the reason the maximum range of M1, M14 and M-16 is about 500 yards is because the cartridge is not the limiting factor. The limiting factor is the eyesight/shooting ability of the soldier/shooter.
DaTank, The 5.56mm ss109 is capable of penetrating a steel helmet at 800 yards. It would definitely deliver lethal hit at 500 yards, assuming the bullet hit a lethal spot on the target.
DWS, the reason the maximum range of M1, M14 and M-16 is about 500 yards is because the cartridge is not the limiting factor. The limiting factor is the eyesight/shooting ability of the soldier/shooter.
Where do you get this crap, Hugh? It's maximum effective range, not maximum range, and maximum effective range has nothing whatever to do with the reasons you suggest; if it did, today's soldier wouldn't need anything that could shoot more than 50 yards offhand or 100 yards prone.
I don't care
quote:Originally posted by hughbetcha
DWS, the reason the maximum range of M1, M14 and M-16 is about 500 yards is because the cartridge is not the limiting factor. The limiting factor is the eyesight/shooting ability of the soldier/shooter.
Where do you get this crap, Hugh? It's maximum effective range, not maximum range, and maximum effective range has nothing whatever to do with the reasons you suggest; if it did, today's soldier wouldn't need anything that could shoot more than 50 yards offhand or 100 yards prone.
Maximum effective range would be the maximum range at which a soldier could spot and hit a man sized target or the vitals on a man etc. 50 or 100 yards might be the average range or the average practical range under most modern battle conditions, but not the maximum effective range.
Maximum means with all things in favor of the best shooting possible, such as on a shooting range. While I will admit that not many battles are fought on shooting ranges, we are trying to maximize conditions in favor of the shooter to determine maximum capabilities.
But if I had the same rifle in 06 I could still shoot the same with just a little less comfort.
Maximum effective range would be the maximum range at which a soldier could spot and hit a man sized target or the vitals on a man etc. 50 or 100 yards might be the average range or the average practical range under most modern battle conditions, but not the maximum effective range.
Maximum means with all things in favor of the best shooting possible, such as on a shooting range. While I will admit that not many battles are fought on shooting ranges, we are trying to maximize conditions in favor of the shooter to determine maximum capabilities.
Wrong again. Suggest you consult an Army FM or Guidebook for Marines for definition of Maximum Effective Range. Again, where do you get this stuff? Pull it out of your *?
quote:Originally posted by hughbetcha
Maximum effective range would be the maximum range at which a soldier could spot and hit a man sized target or the vitals on a man etc. 50 or 100 yards might be the average range or the average practical range under most modern battle conditions, but not the maximum effective range.
Maximum means with all things in favor of the best shooting possible, such as on a shooting range. While I will admit that not many battles are fought on shooting ranges, we are trying to maximize conditions in favor of the shooter to determine maximum capabilities.
Wrong again. Suggest you consult an Army FM or Guidebook for Marines for definition of Maximum Effective Range. Again, where do you get this stuff? Pull it out of your *?
DWS, Where do you get your information.. Emily Post's Ettiquette for Young Girls?
DWS, Where do you get your information.. Emily Post's Ettiquette for Young Girls?
I already gave you two standard military references and you're still insisting you're right? Okay. Have it your way.
quote:Originally posted by hughbetcha
Maximum effective range would be the maximum range at which a soldier could spot and hit a man sized target or the vitals on a man etc. 50 or 100 yards might be the average range or the average practical range under most modern battle conditions, but not the maximum effective range.
Maximum means with all things in favor of the best shooting possible, such as on a shooting range. While I will admit that not many battles are fought on shooting ranges, we are trying to maximize conditions in favor of the shooter to determine maximum capabilities.
Wrong again. Suggest you consult an Army FM or Guidebook for Marines for definition of Maximum Effective Range. Again, where do you get this stuff? Pull it out of your *?
Reality injection time. . .
http://www.army-technology.com/glossary/maximum-effective-range.html
quote:Maximum Effective Range
Maximum effective range is the maximum range within which a weapon is effective against its intended target.
Sounds to me like the term reflects a function of the weapon, not the shooter.
To wit, handing an M16 to a blind man doesn't change the effective range of the gun. (Though it would decrease the likelihood of actually hitting the "intended target").
If you look at the "official" numbers, the M16, M1, and M14 all are "effective" to about 500 meters. What that means in reality is a whole other story.
If you look at the "official" numbers, the M16, M1, and M14 all are "effective" to about 500 meters. What that means in reality is a whole other story.
Not really.
I do not believe maximum effective range should be determined simply as a mechanical function of the weapon or cartidge. I believe it is necessary to factor in the capabilities of an average shooter, and I am pretty sure that's the way effective range is really judged.
I believe the term effective should refer to the ballistic capability of the round, the ability or the weapon to put the bullet on target, and the limitations of the human body.
The .308, 30-06 and .223 are capable of "effective" fire past 800 yards, it just depends on what you call effective. I know the SS109 was designed to penetrate a steel helmet at 800 yards. That sounds pretty effective to me and its way past 500 yards.