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Whether or not these fortified drinks are marketed to a certain demographic, they do seem to be very popular among the younger crowd, who like the bigger bang for the buck and have a lower tolerance to alcohol.
Certain guns also seem to appeal more to a certain "type" of person, whether or not that was the intent of the manufacturer.
In neither case do I want to see a product banned. If you can only afford a cheap handgun, and want a Hi-Point, you should be able to buy one. If you want to get really drunk, really fast, for very little money, and are of age, go for it.
I was unaware that the Intratec DC-9 was banned. I thought the DC-9 was introduced to replace the TEC-9 that was pretty much regulated out of existence by the infamous Crime Bill.
quote:I was unaware that the Intratec DC-9 was banned. I thought the DC-9 was introduced to replace the TEC-9 that was pretty much regulated out of existence by the infamous Crime Bill.
They changed the name from TEC-9 to TEC-DC9 due to a California ban that restricted weapons by name. Later it was banned federally.
quote:Originally posted by nunn
quote:Remind me never to help or protect a drunk female if I happen to be sober, lest I be judged as a rapist by the community at large. Too much risk in being a good Samaritan these days.
I don't know what plans the two young men had, but I know how young men think. Maybe I am a little cynical, suspicious, paternal and protective, but not knowing the people involved, I couldn't just let them be "good Samaritans," if that is indeed what they were. Once she came to my attention, she was my problem to deal with. Had they made it to suitable shelter, and had the young men taken advantage of the young woman's condition, I would have borne some of the responsibility. My little girl Gabby is that age, and if she were in similar circumstances, I would appreciate someone stepping in and making sure she got through the next few hours safely.
Four Loko is not the only one. There are a gang of these drinks around, usually in big, colorful cans. I found one, open, in the console of a car on a traffic stop. At first glance, I thought it was an energy drink. (I think they cans are designed that way on purpose.) But I picked it up and saw that the drink contained alcohol, and my driver was under 21, so he got an appointment to see the judge.
NUNN... I agree with you on your point... I too would hope my daughter was helped.
But to assume that the two young men were up to no good... JUST because they could... is not right.
Stepping in like you did and taking lead on getting her some much needed help and shelter 'till she was sober was the correct thing to do.
Commenting that the two young men had other intentions... "just 'cause you know how young men think"... is wrong.
From the two young men's perspective... How did they know that a uniformed policeman didn't have the same intentions???
I would have insisted on accompanying you to the station or elsewhere since I had first made an attempt to gain her some help...
"Just in case..."
Not EVERYTHING in this world is as it seems to be on the surface...
quote:NUNN... I agree with you on your point... I too would hope my daughter was helped.
But to assume that the two young men were up to no good... JUST because they could... is not right.
Stepping in like you did and taking lead on getting her some much needed help and shelter 'till she was sober was the correct thing to do.
Commenting that the two young men had other intentions... "just 'cause you know how young men think"... is wrong.
I made no such assumption or statement. I have no way of knowing anyone's intent, but the situation smelled bad, and the girl needed help. Could they have given her the help she needed? Maybe. Suppose she had consumed a lethal quantity of alcohol, and stopped breathing. Could they have dealt with that? I don't know, but the staff at the ER can.
quote:From the two young men's perspective... How did they know that a uniformed policeman didn't have the same intentions???
That's funny. Every thing I do, and every word that is spoken between me and a contact is recorded. They also have no way to know what my intentions are, but mine trump theirs.
quote:I would have insisted on accompanying you to the station or elsewhere since I had first made an attempt to gain her some help...
"Just in case..."
You would have been disappointed. The only people who accompany me to the station come at my insistence, not theirs.
quote:Not EVERYTHING in this world is as it seems to be on the surface...
yeah, I know what I said but I never said it should be banned. I actually believe quite the oppisite. I only though a big warning label would be an enticement to buy as if koolaid flavored booze isn't enough to get non alcoholics into trouble.
Everyone is responsible for the proper use of any product from happy meals to happy endings. that doesn't mean some more dangerous items aren't out there like ( like red bull and red heads)use them at your own risk [:D]
quote:Originally posted by nunn
quote:NUNN... I agree with you on your point... I too would hope my daughter was helped.
But to assume that the two young men were up to no good... JUST because they could... is not right.
Stepping in like you did and taking lead on getting her some much needed help and shelter 'till she was sober was the correct thing to do.
Commenting that the two young men had other intentions... "just 'cause you know how young men think"... is wrong.
I made no such assumption or statement. I have no way of knowing anyone's intent, but the situation smelled bad, and the girl needed help. Could they have given her the help she needed? Maybe. Suppose she had consumed a lethal quantity of alcohol, and stopped breathing. Could they have dealt with that? I don't know, but the staff at the ER can.
quote:From the two young men's perspective... How did they know that a uniformed policeman didn't have the same intentions???
That's funny. Every thing I do, and every word that is spoken between me and a contact is recorded. They also have no way to know what my intentions are, but mine trump theirs.
quote:I would have insisted on accompanying you to the station or elsewhere since I had first made an attempt to gain her some help...
"Just in case..."
You would have been disappointed. The only people who accompany me to the station come at my insistence, not theirs.
quote:Not EVERYTHING in this world is as it seems to be on the surface...
How well I know that!
quote:Glad everything worked out in the end...
Me too!
quote:When I found her, I took her from the custody of two very sober young men, who were helping her walk. Lord only knows where they were planning to go with her or what they were planning to do when they got there.
quote:I don't know what plans the two young men had, but I know how young men think.
I guess my reading comprehension is not what it used to be...
Sure seems to me like you made those very comments.
And as to being voice recorded... Good information.
And as to your intentions trumping theirs... Not a problem.
But I remember the "Blue Light Bandits"... of the sixties who stalked unsuspecting women and pulled them over.
They looked and acted the part of uniformed officers of the law and their actions of authority placed the women at their disposal.
They were able to make the women succumb to their intentions quite easily...
You may not have "allowed" me to accompany you... to the station or the ER or elsewhere...
But I would have made sure that's where you went... I would have seen to that.
You mentioned that the situation didn't seem right to you... did these guys give you any indications that they were up to no good?
Did your years of training and interacting with the public spark some sense of concern about them?
Did you ask for another office to accompany you when you seemed concerned about their intentions?
Sorry NUNN... I don't take too kindly about being told what I will do by anyone...
I'm a free citizen of these United States... and expect to be treated as such.
Especially by a public servant who's very salary is paid by the taxes I work hard for.
And you wonder why the many comments against LEO's occur on this forum...
quote:Sorry NUNN... I don't take too kindly about being told what I will do by anyone...
I'm a free citizen of these United States... and expect to be treated as such.
Especially by a public servant who's very salary is paid by the taxes I work hard for.
So...you're driving down the street, intending to go straight ahead, but there is a problem ahead, a fire, a crash, an armed stand off, maybe, and the nice policeman at the road block tells you that you must turn left or right, but that you may not go straight. He is your servant, and he just told you what to do. Now what?
quote:And you wonder why the many comments against LEO's occur on this forum...
I don't wonder at all; I see people like that every day. They are job security. You see, most of the people who have it in for the cops have a reason, and it usually lies within themselves.
quote:Originally posted by nunn
quote:Sorry NUNN... I don't take too kindly about being told what I will do by anyone...
I'm a free citizen of these United States... and expect to be treated as such.
Especially by a public servant who's very salary is paid by the taxes I work hard for.
So...you're driving down the street, intending to go straight ahead, but there is a problem ahead, a fire, a crash, an armed stand off, maybe, and the nice policeman at the road block tells you that you must turn left or right, but that you may not go straight. He is your servant, and he just told you what to do. Now what?
quote:And you wonder why the many comments against LEO's occur on this forum...
I don't wonder at all; I see people like that every day. They are job security.
It simply is, what it is... Nothing more... Nothing less.
I prefer the choice of running that said "nice" officer over or turning at his direction...
I acknowledge my responsibity if the officer IS in fact an offical Nice Officer and don't get outta my way... if I choose to go strraight.
Does the alleged "Nice" officer realize he might just get run over...?
Or will he just stand there and try and keep me from placing myself in harm's way... if that's the intent.
quote:Originally posted by retroxler58
quote:Originally posted by nunn
quote:Sorry NUNN... I don't take too kindly about being told what I will do by anyone...
I'm a free citizen of these United States... and expect to be treated as such.
Especially by a public servant who's very salary is paid by the taxes I work hard for.
So...you're driving down the street, intending to go straight ahead, but there is a problem ahead, a fire, a crash, an armed stand off, maybe, and the nice policeman at the road block tells you that you must turn left or right, but that you may not go straight. He is your servant, and he just told you what to do. Now what?
quote:And you wonder why the many comments against LEO's occur on this forum...
I don't wonder at all; I see people like that every day. They are job security.
It simply is, what it is... Nothing more... Nothing less.
I prefer the choice of running that said "nice" officer over or turning at his direction...
I acknowledge my responsibity if the officer IS in fact an offical Nice Officer and don't get outta my way... if I choose to go strraight.
Does the alleged "Nice" officer realize he might just get run over...?
Or will he just stand there and try and keep me from placing myself in harm's way... if that's the intent.
I'll bet we'd find out... PDQ.
I think you'd be shot or arrested for attempting to kill a PO... and I'd be happy with that... The situation is obvious and spelled out in the law that you agreed to as a trusted member of our society when you obtained your drivers license. When an official party is directing traffic you follow their directions. Just like stop signs and speed limits. They are impromptu road guides.
quote:Originally posted by nunn
I have drunk a few British beers, but none with 12% alcohol. I really like Guinness Draught, and it runs under 5%.
I don't believe it is possible to brew a "beer" with 12% alcohol, unless it is by a very expensive double-brewing or triple-brewing process. I believe that Four Loko and drinks of that ilk are "fortified." That is, pure grain alcohol is added to the flavored malt beverage to attain the desired proof level. MD 20/20 is a "fortified wine," with its proof adjusted with alcohol.
Found this list for you only saw one over 10 that was 17.
The next was 7 something and that was by stone Brewing. That one is Marketed right at College Students.
That 4 Loko was banned here in Oregon. It put to many in the Hospital.
quote:In response to growing health concerns, the Oregon Liquor Control Commission approved a temporary ban of caffeinated alcoholic energy drinks during a special session Saturday.
Effective immediately, the ban will take four companies' alcoholic energy drinks off the shelves and will be in place for six months, until the commission can adopt more permanent and complete ban.
The 4-1 vote follows the lead of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, which last week ordered the brands to remove caffeine from their drinks. The ban targets four companies: Portland-based Charge Beverages Corp., which makes Core drinks, and the makers of Four Loko, Joose, Max and Moonshot. Charge recently stopped making the drinks.
"This has been an issue for a us a lot longer for us than it's been on anyone's radar," said Phil Lang, OLCC chair. "We've been waiting a long time for the federal government to take action on it and we're disappointed that [the ban] only identified four manufacturers and seven drinks. It was my hope ... that we could ask for a ban on all [alcoholic] energy drinks and be done with it."
Washington passed a more complete ban two weeks ago.
Oregon health officials have been concerned about the drinks for years, but recent hospitalizations of college students who consumed the drink -- including nine minors at Central Washington University -- has given the state momentum to enact the ban.
Four Loko
The Oregonian's ongoing coverage of the alcoholic energy drinks and the efforts to ban them.Health officials say caffeine masks intoxication, allowing people to consume much more than is safe. Four Loko recently was blamed in the death of a 21-year-old Maryland woman who crashed her truck into a telephone pole.
The potency, combined with the accessibility of the drink -- which cost $2 to $4 a can -- has officials arguing that the drink is much more dangerous than traditional caffeinated mixed drinks found at bars.
Several local grocery stores, including Haggen Food & Pharmacy and Fred Meyer, have pulled the drinks from their shelves.
Four Loko, which has grabbed headlines after the Central Washington students were hospitalized, is a fruity-flavored 23.5 ounce drink that contains 12 percent alcohol by volume and a jolt of caffeine. Health officials say one can is the equivalent of four or five beers and a couple cups of coffee. The drinks also come in brightly colored cans with flavors such as watermelon and grape, which some say appeals to young drinkers.
Banned drinks
The Oregon Liquor Control Commission approved a temporary ban Saturday of:
Core High Gravity HG Green
Core High Gravity HG Orange
Core Spiked Lemon Lime
Four Loko
Joose
Max
Moonshot
"We are very happy to see it banned. The nonalcoholic energy drink market is popular for the youth so it's very easy steppingstone to go to these kinds of drinks," Mary Ellen Glynn, executive of the Oregon Alcohol and Drug Policy Commission. "These drinks have an enormous amount of caffeine and high alcoholic content. What happens is the caffeine masks the alcohol so people don't know how drunk they've become. It's a drink that's designed to be chugged, not sipped, and it leads to some very risky behavior. "
Last week, Phusion Projects LLC of Chicago, which makes Four Loko, announced its intent to produce the drink without its trademark caffeine.
"We have repeatedly contended -- and still believe, as do many people throughout the country -- that the combination of alcohol and caffeine is safe," the company said in a statement released Tuesday. "We are taking this step after trying -- unsuccessfully -- to navigate a difficult and politically-charged regulatory environment at both the state and federal levels."
Commissioner Bob Rice noted that many other products on the market still contain alcohol and caffeine, such as other brands, caffeinated liquor and microbrewed beers. He said the ban won't solve the problem over night and further action is needed by the OLCC and the FDA.
During the meeting, he suggested moving the start of the ban to Dec. 2 so distributors could get the drinks out of the thousands of retail outlets in the state, but the proposal was defeated.
So starting Saturday night, OLCC officers throughout the state can start giving citations to sellers still carrying the alcoholic energy drinks.
"This is a tiny tiny step of removing a limited number of alcoholic energy drinks from the market," Rice said. "The market is full of products combining beer and caffeine, so it's important for the public to know that it's simply to remove from the market seven products."
quote:I don't take too kindly about being told what I will do by anyone...
I'm a free citizen of these United States... and expect to be treated as such.
Especially by a public servant who's very salary is paid by the taxes I work hard for.
And you wonder why the many comments against LEO's occur on this forum...And God Bless you for holding that mind-set, Robert.
Would that tens of millions more would do the same.
quote:Originally posted by buckstar
quote:Originally posted by retroxler58
quote:Originally posted by nunn
quote:Sorry NUNN... I don't take too kindly about being told what I will do by anyone...
I'm a free citizen of these United States... and expect to be treated as such.
Especially by a public servant who's very salary is paid by the taxes I work hard for.
So...you're driving down the street, intending to go straight ahead, but there is a problem ahead, a fire, a crash, an armed stand off, maybe, and the nice policeman at the road block tells you that you must turn left or right, but that you may not go straight. He is your servant, and he just told you what to do. Now what?
quote:And you wonder why the many comments against LEO's occur on this forum...
I don't wonder at all; I see people like that every day. They are job security.
It simply is, what it is... Nothing more... Nothing less.
I prefer the choice of running that said "nice" officer over or turning at his direction...
I acknowledge my responsibity if the officer IS in fact an offical Nice Officer and don't get outta my way... if I choose to go strraight.
Does the alleged "Nice" officer realize he might just get run over...?
Or will he just stand there and try and keep me from placing myself in harm's way... if that's the intent.
I'll bet we'd find out... PDQ.
I think you'd be shot or arrested for attempting to kill a PO... and I'd be happy with that... The situation is obvious and spelled out in the law that you agreed to as a trusted member of our society when you obtained your drivers license. When an official party is directing traffic you follow their directions. Just like stop signs and speed limits. They are impromptu road guides.
There's a lot of places selling LEO uniforms, etc... How do I know that this "guy" is a said police officer...?
And not just trying to get me or mine into a bad situation...
I guess that's where I have the ability as a free citizen of the USA to make MY choice...
and if I choose to disregard him and carry through... the alleged police officer better be a real officer in order to prove me wrong.
Or quicker than the Ol'Dodge...
What happened to the concept of "Innocent until proven Guilty..." in this country?
Or does this only apply in a court of law...
Is every one 'cept LEO automatically at fault and guilty when perceived to be so by an LEO?
And then hauled off to the pokey just because...
Does an LEO have the authority to arrest and detain simply on his hunch or perceptions...?
What happened to probable cause...?
Geesh...
This thread was about a young 20 year old woman being helped by two young men because she was intoxicated beyound lawful limits...
NUNN... took action to help the young woman while maintaining suspicions about the intentions of the young men...
I'm glad he did what he did... I don't agree with certain comments about the young men
and I'm just saying that if I had been one of the young men...
I'd accompany him to where ever she was being taken... to be sure she was helped.
quote:if I had been one of the young men...
I'd accompany him to where ever she was being taken... to be sure she was helped.
You might have had a tough time with that one. They were afoot.
Probable cause? How about an on-view offense? Sorta trumps PC, don't it?
Innocent until proven guilty still applies, but the street is not a court of law, and we aren't going to hear the case there.
Did you notice that the two young men walked away free? They were not detained beyond getting basic ID information. No tickets, no nothing. As the old song says, "Ya can't go to jail for what you're thinkin." So, PC does not apply in this situation.
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:I don't take too kindly about being told what I will do by anyone...
I'm a free citizen of these United States... and expect to be treated as such.
Especially by a public servant who's very salary is paid by the taxes I work hard for.
And you wonder why the many comments against LEO's occur on this forum...And God Bless you for holding that mind-set, Robert.
Would that tens of millions more would do the same.
EL-TEE... I've told you before and I'll say it again...
If Ozma and I ever decide to move... Arizona is the destination.
At least it seems that there's more than just a little common sense in the area...
And a little less tyranny to deal with to boot. [;)]
I've said my mind all along from my VERY FIRST POSTING...
I don't take too kindly to being told what, how, when, where and why to do anything.
All of that is my choice... and my choice alone.
And as long as I don't exceed constitutionally legal law in doing so and morally don't hurt or harm others...
It's my belief that it's my right to do exactly that as a free citizen of these United States.
Y'all have it... I've said all I want to say in this thread. Enjoy...
"I'm glad you did what you did, but you must have proof of guilt of a crime, beyond a reasonable doubt, before forming an opinion that someone might do a bad thing."
quote:12% in a 24oz is not bad compared to two 5% or better beers, must be some other ingredient, or just not telling the truth on quantity
Re-examine the math. 24 ounces equals two beers to start with. The alcohol content is 2-4 times a normal beer. One Four Loko is equal to at least 5 normal beers, maybe 6.
SO Nunn is a parent as well a sworn police officer. As such he noticed a female who appeared to be intoxicated and moved to investigate. He determined thru observation and interview that there was probable cause that she was intoxicated and consuming alcohol as a minor. He took further action including getting her away from potentially bad situation and processing her for the infraction.
There is nothing wrong with what he did and I dare say any parent would be happy that he interviened in what could have become nuch worse.
We all make mistakes, get into situations we regret later and young people do it more than others. He may have saved her life or at least her dignity.
How does a topic about a potentially bad beverage turn into cop bashing..again?
Do you guys want freedom to the point of anarchy? gonna run over a police officer directing traffic...Jeez, lighten up
quote: gonna run over a police officer directing traffic...Jeez, lighten up
But, but, but, he MIGHT not be a REAL cop! He MIGHT have gotten his uniform, body armor, hat, badge, name tag, collar brass, gun belt, pistol, magazines, handcuffs, cuff case, OC spray, OC spray case, flashlight, flashlight ring, etc, all at a costume shop! And he MIGHT want to do me harm! I have no PROOF that he is a REAL cop, and anyway, I know I did nothing wrong, so he has no business speaking to me, and I don't have to do what he says! He works for me, REMEMBER?
quote:Originally posted by nunn
quote: gonna run over a police officer directing traffic...Jeez, lighten up
But, but, but, he MIGHT not be a REAL cop! He MIGHT have gotten his uniform, body armor, hat, badge, name tag, collar brass, gun belt, pistol, magazines, handcuffs, cuff case, OC spray, OC spray case, flashlight, flashlight ring, etc, all at a costume shop! And he MIGHT want to do me harm! I have no PROOF that he is a REAL cop, and anyway, I know I did nothing wrong, so he has no business speaking to me, and I don't have to do what he says! He works for me, REMEMBER?
When I see someone trying to direct traffic I always assume they are trying to steal my drunk girlfriend and promptly run them over... even when I'm alone... Usually I just imagined them there anyway.
quote:Originally posted by buschmaster
24 oz. x 12% = 2.88 oz of alcohol.
12 oz. x 5% = 0.6 oz of alcohol.
1 Loko = 4.8 beers.
that's correct, and just for comparison I've made
12 oz. x 20% = 2.4
Anyway the problem isn't the drink, it's them not paying attention to how much they're drinking[:(] and that can happen with anything.
quote:Originally posted by retroxler58
quote:Originally posted by nunn
quote:Sorry NUNN... I don't take too kindly about being told what I will do by anyone...
I'm a free citizen of these United States... and expect to be treated as such.
Especially by a public servant who's very salary is paid by the taxes I work hard for.
So...you're driving down the street, intending to go straight ahead, but there is a problem ahead, a fire, a crash, an armed stand off, maybe, and the nice policeman at the road block tells you that you must turn left or right, but that you may not go straight. He is your servant, and he just told you what to do. Now what?
quote:And you wonder why the many comments against LEO's occur on this forum...
I don't wonder at all; I see people like that every day. They are job security.
It simply is, what it is... Nothing more... Nothing less.
I prefer the choice of running that said "nice" officer over or turning at his direction...
I acknowledge my responsibity if the officer IS in fact an offical Nice Officer and don't get outta my way... if I choose to go strraight.
Does the alleged "Nice" officer realize he might just get run over...?
Or will he just stand there and try and keep me from placing myself in harm's way... if that's the intent.
I'll bet we'd find out... PDQ.
And you'd huff and you'd puff and you'd blow that nasty ol' officer down.[:D] Sure ya would.
I have run into a couple of officers with a serious banty-rooster 'tude Nunn. But I have run into more guys in other occupations with the same 'tude. Any occupations humans are involved in will have some percentage of bad eggs, even if attempts are made to screen for them. Humans just are not perfect. Present company excepted, of course.[:)]
And LE ain't the only place where promotion of problems to pass them on to others occurs either.[xx(] Someday I'll tell you stories over coffee. On second thought, we have better things to talk about.[^]
You are right, He Dog. Should you and I ever have a chance to converse over coffee or beers, I should hope the topic of conversation would be herpetology.
quote:Originally posted by nunn
I don't keep up, but I did notice that Pseudemys exists no more, having been absorbed into Chrysemys, and Natrix has been changed to I forgot what.
Have we finally decided whether Heteredon is mildly venomous?
Have we finally decided whether Crotalus horridus atricaudatus is a separate subspecies, or merely a color phase of Crotalus horridus horridus?
Off-topic but not by much: I was at the store the other day and looked at one of those "energy" drinks like Red Bull. I was astounded by how much caffenine was in it. It was like drinking two Starbucks large coffees. I can't imagine drinking a couple of those and not having a racing heartbeat.
I guess if you're 16 and exercising everyday your heart can take such a jolt. Even so, even for a whole lot of money I wouldn't drink two of those on an empty stomach. I can't imagine what it would do to your blood pressure.
quote:Originally posted by mlincoln
Off-topic but not by much: I was at the store the other day and looked at one of those "energy" drinks like Red Bull. I was astounded by how much caffenine was in it. It was like drinking two Starbucks large coffees. I can't imagine drinking a couple of those and not having a racing heartbeat.
I guess if you're 16 and exercising everyday your heart can take such a jolt. Even so, even for a whole lot of money I wouldn't drink two of those on an empty stomach. I can't imagine what it would do to your blood pressure.
Monster energy drinks was/is a big seller on base in Iraq. Expensive too. All I can figure is it's a poor replacement for Alcohol (which is banned). I tried a couple different flavors of the stuff. [xx(]
quote:Originally posted by nunn
I don't keep up, but I did notice that Pseudemys exists no more, having been absorbed into Chrysemys, and Natrix has been changed to I forgot what.
Have we finally decided whether Heteredon is mildly venomous?
Have we finally decided whether Crotalus horridus atricaudatus is a separate subspecies, or merely a color phase of Crotalus horridus horridus?
Natrix has been Nerodia for some years now. (always going to be Natrix to me too)
heterodon is indeed an ophistoglyph (rear-fanged for the neophytes, unlike Nunn). No venom gland, but the Duvernois gland (another specialized salivary gland) makes a toxin deadly to toads, and not that much fun to the rare human bitten.
Yep, atricaudatus is synomized with horridis. It is a color variation. With good reason this one was sunk. There are gorgeous populations of 'canebrake' color animals in Eastern Kansas, and around KC in Missouri, well outside the described range. The molecular biologists have shown that the two are genetically indistinct.
And Morelia viridis will always be Chondropython viridis to me.
Is herpetology the Study Of Herpes???[:o)]quote:Originally posted by nunn
You are right, He Dog. Should you and I ever have a chance to converse over coffee or beers, I should hope the topic of conversation would be herpetology.
quote:Originally posted by drobs
quote:Originally posted by mlincoln
Off-topic but not by much: I was at the store the other day and looked at one of those "energy" drinks like Red Bull. I was astounded by how much caffenine was in it. It was like drinking two Starbucks large coffees. I can't imagine drinking a couple of those and not having a racing heartbeat.
I guess if you're 16 and exercising everyday your heart can take such a jolt. Even so, even for a whole lot of money I wouldn't drink two of those on an empty stomach. I can't imagine what it would do to your blood pressure.
Monster energy drinks was/is a big seller on base in Iraq. Expensive too. All I can figure is it's a poor replacement for Alcohol (which is banned). I tried a couple different flavors of the stuff. [xx(]
On my base we only had "Rip-Its" which are a smaller, suckier version of an energy drink. I had to drink a six pack of them to fall asleep. I would have smothered the chaplain for a supply of Monsters.
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Whether or not these fortified drinks are marketed to a certain demographic, they do seem to be very popular among the younger crowd, who like the bigger bang for the buck and have a lower tolerance to alcohol.
Certain guns also seem to appeal more to a certain "type" of person, whether or not that was the intent of the manufacturer.
In neither case do I want to see a product banned. If you can only afford a cheap handgun, and want a Hi-Point, you should be able to buy one. If you want to get really drunk, really fast, for very little money, and are of age, go for it.
I was unaware that the Intratec DC-9 was banned. I thought the DC-9 was introduced to replace the TEC-9 that was pretty much regulated out of existence by the infamous Crime Bill.
I have never had one, nor do I plan on it.
They changed the name from TEC-9 to TEC-DC9 due to a California ban that restricted weapons by name. Later it was banned federally.
quote:Remind me never to help or protect a drunk female if I happen to be sober, lest I be judged as a rapist by the community at large. Too much risk in being a good Samaritan these days.
I don't know what plans the two young men had, but I know how young men think. Maybe I am a little cynical, suspicious, paternal and protective, but not knowing the people involved, I couldn't just let them be "good Samaritans," if that is indeed what they were. Once she came to my attention, she was my problem to deal with. Had they made it to suitable shelter, and had the young men taken advantage of the young woman's condition, I would have borne some of the responsibility. My little girl Gabby is that age, and if she were in similar circumstances, I would appreciate someone stepping in and making sure she got through the next few hours safely.
Four Loko is not the only one. There are a gang of these drinks around, usually in big, colorful cans. I found one, open, in the console of a car on a traffic stop. At first glance, I thought it was an energy drink. (I think they cans are designed that way on purpose.) But I picked it up and saw that the drink contained alcohol, and my driver was under 21, so he got an appointment to see the judge.
NUNN... I agree with you on your point... I too would hope my daughter was helped.
But to assume that the two young men were up to no good... JUST because they could... is not right.
Stepping in like you did and taking lead on getting her some much needed help and shelter 'till she was sober was the correct thing to do.
Commenting that the two young men had other intentions... "just 'cause you know how young men think"... is wrong.
From the two young men's perspective... How did they know that a uniformed policeman didn't have the same intentions???
I would have insisted on accompanying you to the station or elsewhere since I had first made an attempt to gain her some help...
"Just in case..."
Not EVERYTHING in this world is as it seems to be on the surface...
Glad everything worked out in the end... [;)]
But to assume that the two young men were up to no good... JUST because they could... is not right.
Stepping in like you did and taking lead on getting her some much needed help and shelter 'till she was sober was the correct thing to do.
Commenting that the two young men had other intentions... "just 'cause you know how young men think"... is wrong.
I made no such assumption or statement. I have no way of knowing anyone's intent, but the situation smelled bad, and the girl needed help. Could they have given her the help she needed? Maybe. Suppose she had consumed a lethal quantity of alcohol, and stopped breathing. Could they have dealt with that? I don't know, but the staff at the ER can.
quote:From the two young men's perspective... How did they know that a uniformed policeman didn't have the same intentions???
That's funny. Every thing I do, and every word that is spoken between me and a contact is recorded. They also have no way to know what my intentions are, but mine trump theirs.
quote:I would have insisted on accompanying you to the station or elsewhere since I had first made an attempt to gain her some help...
"Just in case..."
You would have been disappointed. The only people who accompany me to the station come at my insistence, not theirs.
quote:Not EVERYTHING in this world is as it seems to be on the surface...
How well I know that!
quote:Glad everything worked out in the end...
Me too!
Everyone is responsible for the proper use of any product from happy meals to happy endings. that doesn't mean some more dangerous items aren't out there like ( like red bull and red heads)use them at your own risk [:D]
I don't have much sympathy for the stupid girl in the first post either.
quote:NUNN... I agree with you on your point... I too would hope my daughter was helped.
But to assume that the two young men were up to no good... JUST because they could... is not right.
Stepping in like you did and taking lead on getting her some much needed help and shelter 'till she was sober was the correct thing to do.
Commenting that the two young men had other intentions... "just 'cause you know how young men think"... is wrong.
I made no such assumption or statement. I have no way of knowing anyone's intent, but the situation smelled bad, and the girl needed help. Could they have given her the help she needed? Maybe. Suppose she had consumed a lethal quantity of alcohol, and stopped breathing. Could they have dealt with that? I don't know, but the staff at the ER can.
quote:From the two young men's perspective... How did they know that a uniformed policeman didn't have the same intentions???
That's funny. Every thing I do, and every word that is spoken between me and a contact is recorded. They also have no way to know what my intentions are, but mine trump theirs.
quote:I would have insisted on accompanying you to the station or elsewhere since I had first made an attempt to gain her some help...
"Just in case..."
You would have been disappointed. The only people who accompany me to the station come at my insistence, not theirs.
quote:Not EVERYTHING in this world is as it seems to be on the surface...
How well I know that!
quote:Glad everything worked out in the end...
Me too!
quote:When I found her, I took her from the custody of two very sober young men, who were helping her walk. Lord only knows where they were planning to go with her or what they were planning to do when they got there.
quote:I don't know what plans the two young men had, but I know how young men think.
I guess my reading comprehension is not what it used to be...
Sure seems to me like you made those very comments.
And as to being voice recorded... Good information.
And as to your intentions trumping theirs... Not a problem.
But I remember the "Blue Light Bandits"... of the sixties who stalked unsuspecting women and pulled them over.
They looked and acted the part of uniformed officers of the law and their actions of authority placed the women at their disposal.
They were able to make the women succumb to their intentions quite easily...
You may not have "allowed" me to accompany you... to the station or the ER or elsewhere...
But I would have made sure that's where you went... I would have seen to that.
You mentioned that the situation didn't seem right to you... did these guys give you any indications that they were up to no good?
Did your years of training and interacting with the public spark some sense of concern about them?
Did you ask for another office to accompany you when you seemed concerned about their intentions?
Sorry NUNN... I don't take too kindly about being told what I will do by anyone...
I'm a free citizen of these United States... and expect to be treated as such.
Especially by a public servant who's very salary is paid by the taxes I work hard for.
And you wonder why the many comments against LEO's occur on this forum...
I'm a free citizen of these United States... and expect to be treated as such.
Especially by a public servant who's very salary is paid by the taxes I work hard for.
So...you're driving down the street, intending to go straight ahead, but there is a problem ahead, a fire, a crash, an armed stand off, maybe, and the nice policeman at the road block tells you that you must turn left or right, but that you may not go straight. He is your servant, and he just told you what to do. Now what?
quote:And you wonder why the many comments against LEO's occur on this forum...
I don't wonder at all; I see people like that every day. They are job security. You see, most of the people who have it in for the cops have a reason, and it usually lies within themselves.
quote:Sorry NUNN... I don't take too kindly about being told what I will do by anyone...
I'm a free citizen of these United States... and expect to be treated as such.
Especially by a public servant who's very salary is paid by the taxes I work hard for.
So...you're driving down the street, intending to go straight ahead, but there is a problem ahead, a fire, a crash, an armed stand off, maybe, and the nice policeman at the road block tells you that you must turn left or right, but that you may not go straight. He is your servant, and he just told you what to do. Now what?
quote:And you wonder why the many comments against LEO's occur on this forum...
I don't wonder at all; I see people like that every day. They are job security.
It simply is, what it is... Nothing more... Nothing less.
I prefer the choice of running that said "nice" officer over or turning at his direction...
I acknowledge my responsibity if the officer IS in fact an offical Nice Officer and don't get outta my way... if I choose to go strraight.
Does the alleged "Nice" officer realize he might just get run over...?
Or will he just stand there and try and keep me from placing myself in harm's way... if that's the intent.
I'll bet we'd find out... PDQ.
quote:Originally posted by nunn
quote:Sorry NUNN... I don't take too kindly about being told what I will do by anyone...
I'm a free citizen of these United States... and expect to be treated as such.
Especially by a public servant who's very salary is paid by the taxes I work hard for.
So...you're driving down the street, intending to go straight ahead, but there is a problem ahead, a fire, a crash, an armed stand off, maybe, and the nice policeman at the road block tells you that you must turn left or right, but that you may not go straight. He is your servant, and he just told you what to do. Now what?
quote:And you wonder why the many comments against LEO's occur on this forum...
I don't wonder at all; I see people like that every day. They are job security.
It simply is, what it is... Nothing more... Nothing less.
I prefer the choice of running that said "nice" officer over or turning at his direction...
I acknowledge my responsibity if the officer IS in fact an offical Nice Officer and don't get outta my way... if I choose to go strraight.
Does the alleged "Nice" officer realize he might just get run over...?
Or will he just stand there and try and keep me from placing myself in harm's way... if that's the intent.
I'll bet we'd find out... PDQ.
I think you'd be shot or arrested for attempting to kill a PO... and I'd be happy with that... The situation is obvious and spelled out in the law that you agreed to as a trusted member of our society when you obtained your drivers license. When an official party is directing traffic you follow their directions. Just like stop signs and speed limits. They are impromptu road guides.
I have drunk a few British beers, but none with 12% alcohol. I really like Guinness Draught, and it runs under 5%.
I don't believe it is possible to brew a "beer" with 12% alcohol, unless it is by a very expensive double-brewing or triple-brewing process. I believe that Four Loko and drinks of that ilk are "fortified." That is, pure grain alcohol is added to the flavored malt beverage to attain the desired proof level. MD 20/20 is a "fortified wine," with its proof adjusted with alcohol.
Found this list for you only saw one over 10 that was 17.
http://alcoholcontents.com/beer/beer.htm
The next was 7 something and that was by stone Brewing. That one is Marketed right at College Students.
That 4 Loko was banned here in Oregon. It put to many in the Hospital.
quote:In response to growing health concerns, the Oregon Liquor Control Commission approved a temporary ban of caffeinated alcoholic energy drinks during a special session Saturday.
Effective immediately, the ban will take four companies' alcoholic energy drinks off the shelves and will be in place for six months, until the commission can adopt more permanent and complete ban.
The 4-1 vote follows the lead of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, which last week ordered the brands to remove caffeine from their drinks. The ban targets four companies: Portland-based Charge Beverages Corp., which makes Core drinks, and the makers of Four Loko, Joose, Max and Moonshot. Charge recently stopped making the drinks.
"This has been an issue for a us a lot longer for us than it's been on anyone's radar," said Phil Lang, OLCC chair. "We've been waiting a long time for the federal government to take action on it and we're disappointed that [the ban] only identified four manufacturers and seven drinks. It was my hope ... that we could ask for a ban on all [alcoholic] energy drinks and be done with it."
Washington passed a more complete ban two weeks ago.
Oregon health officials have been concerned about the drinks for years, but recent hospitalizations of college students who consumed the drink -- including nine minors at Central Washington University -- has given the state momentum to enact the ban.
Four Loko
The Oregonian's ongoing coverage of the alcoholic energy drinks and the efforts to ban them.Health officials say caffeine masks intoxication, allowing people to consume much more than is safe. Four Loko recently was blamed in the death of a 21-year-old Maryland woman who crashed her truck into a telephone pole.
The potency, combined with the accessibility of the drink -- which cost $2 to $4 a can -- has officials arguing that the drink is much more dangerous than traditional caffeinated mixed drinks found at bars.
Several local grocery stores, including Haggen Food & Pharmacy and Fred Meyer, have pulled the drinks from their shelves.
Four Loko, which has grabbed headlines after the Central Washington students were hospitalized, is a fruity-flavored 23.5 ounce drink that contains 12 percent alcohol by volume and a jolt of caffeine. Health officials say one can is the equivalent of four or five beers and a couple cups of coffee. The drinks also come in brightly colored cans with flavors such as watermelon and grape, which some say appeals to young drinkers.
Banned drinks
The Oregon Liquor Control Commission approved a temporary ban Saturday of:
Core High Gravity HG Green
Core High Gravity HG Orange
Core Spiked Lemon Lime
Four Loko
Joose
Max
Moonshot
"We are very happy to see it banned. The nonalcoholic energy drink market is popular for the youth so it's very easy steppingstone to go to these kinds of drinks," Mary Ellen Glynn, executive of the Oregon Alcohol and Drug Policy Commission. "These drinks have an enormous amount of caffeine and high alcoholic content. What happens is the caffeine masks the alcohol so people don't know how drunk they've become. It's a drink that's designed to be chugged, not sipped, and it leads to some very risky behavior. "
Last week, Phusion Projects LLC of Chicago, which makes Four Loko, announced its intent to produce the drink without its trademark caffeine.
"We have repeatedly contended -- and still believe, as do many people throughout the country -- that the combination of alcohol and caffeine is safe," the company said in a statement released Tuesday. "We are taking this step after trying -- unsuccessfully -- to navigate a difficult and politically-charged regulatory environment at both the state and federal levels."
Commissioner Bob Rice noted that many other products on the market still contain alcohol and caffeine, such as other brands, caffeinated liquor and microbrewed beers. He said the ban won't solve the problem over night and further action is needed by the OLCC and the FDA.
During the meeting, he suggested moving the start of the ban to Dec. 2 so distributors could get the drinks out of the thousands of retail outlets in the state, but the proposal was defeated.
So starting Saturday night, OLCC officers throughout the state can start giving citations to sellers still carrying the alcoholic energy drinks.
"This is a tiny tiny step of removing a limited number of alcoholic energy drinks from the market," Rice said. "The market is full of products combining beer and caffeine, so it's important for the public to know that it's simply to remove from the market seven products."
I'm a free citizen of these United States... and expect to be treated as such.
Especially by a public servant who's very salary is paid by the taxes I work hard for.
And you wonder why the many comments against LEO's occur on this forum...And God Bless you for holding that mind-set, Robert.
Would that tens of millions more would do the same.
quote:Originally posted by retroxler58
quote:Originally posted by nunn
quote:Sorry NUNN... I don't take too kindly about being told what I will do by anyone...
I'm a free citizen of these United States... and expect to be treated as such.
Especially by a public servant who's very salary is paid by the taxes I work hard for.
So...you're driving down the street, intending to go straight ahead, but there is a problem ahead, a fire, a crash, an armed stand off, maybe, and the nice policeman at the road block tells you that you must turn left or right, but that you may not go straight. He is your servant, and he just told you what to do. Now what?
quote:And you wonder why the many comments against LEO's occur on this forum...
I don't wonder at all; I see people like that every day. They are job security.
It simply is, what it is... Nothing more... Nothing less.
I prefer the choice of running that said "nice" officer over or turning at his direction...
I acknowledge my responsibity if the officer IS in fact an offical Nice Officer and don't get outta my way... if I choose to go strraight.
Does the alleged "Nice" officer realize he might just get run over...?
Or will he just stand there and try and keep me from placing myself in harm's way... if that's the intent.
I'll bet we'd find out... PDQ.
I think you'd be shot or arrested for attempting to kill a PO... and I'd be happy with that... The situation is obvious and spelled out in the law that you agreed to as a trusted member of our society when you obtained your drivers license. When an official party is directing traffic you follow their directions. Just like stop signs and speed limits. They are impromptu road guides.
There's a lot of places selling LEO uniforms, etc... How do I know that this "guy" is a said police officer...?
And not just trying to get me or mine into a bad situation...
I guess that's where I have the ability as a free citizen of the USA to make MY choice...
and if I choose to disregard him and carry through... the alleged police officer better be a real officer in order to prove me wrong.
Or quicker than the Ol'Dodge...
What happened to the concept of "Innocent until proven Guilty..." in this country?
Or does this only apply in a court of law...
Is every one 'cept LEO automatically at fault and guilty when perceived to be so by an LEO?
And then hauled off to the pokey just because...
Does an LEO have the authority to arrest and detain simply on his hunch or perceptions...?
What happened to probable cause...?
Geesh...
This thread was about a young 20 year old woman being helped by two young men because she was intoxicated beyound lawful limits...
NUNN... took action to help the young woman while maintaining suspicions about the intentions of the young men...
I'm glad he did what he did... I don't agree with certain comments about the young men
and I'm just saying that if I had been one of the young men...
I'd accompany him to where ever she was being taken... to be sure she was helped.
Nothing more and nothing less...
I'd accompany him to where ever she was being taken... to be sure she was helped.
You might have had a tough time with that one. They were afoot.
Probable cause? How about an on-view offense? Sorta trumps PC, don't it?
Innocent until proven guilty still applies, but the street is not a court of law, and we aren't going to hear the case there.
Did you notice that the two young men walked away free? They were not detained beyond getting basic ID information. No tickets, no nothing. As the old song says, "Ya can't go to jail for what you're thinkin." So, PC does not apply in this situation.
quote:I don't take too kindly about being told what I will do by anyone...
I'm a free citizen of these United States... and expect to be treated as such.
Especially by a public servant who's very salary is paid by the taxes I work hard for.
And you wonder why the many comments against LEO's occur on this forum...And God Bless you for holding that mind-set, Robert.
Would that tens of millions more would do the same.
EL-TEE... I've told you before and I'll say it again...
If Ozma and I ever decide to move... Arizona is the destination.
At least it seems that there's more than just a little common sense in the area...
And a little less tyranny to deal with to boot. [;)]
I've said my mind all along from my VERY FIRST POSTING...
I don't take too kindly to being told what, how, when, where and why to do anything.
All of that is my choice... and my choice alone.
And as long as I don't exceed constitutionally legal law in doing so and morally don't hurt or harm others...
It's my belief that it's my right to do exactly that as a free citizen of these United States.
Y'all have it... I've said all I want to say in this thread. Enjoy...
ever-clear is bad, depending on the person, jack Daniels, tequila etc. different people react different
12% in a 24oz is not bad compared to two 5% or better beers, must be some other ingredient, or just not telling the truth on quantity
Some of you guys crack me up! [:D]
Re-examine the math. 24 ounces equals two beers to start with. The alcohol content is 2-4 times a normal beer. One Four Loko is equal to at least 5 normal beers, maybe 6.
There is nothing wrong with what he did and I dare say any parent would be happy that he interviened in what could have become nuch worse.
We all make mistakes, get into situations we regret later and young people do it more than others. He may have saved her life or at least her dignity.
How does a topic about a potentially bad beverage turn into cop bashing..again?
Do you guys want freedom to the point of anarchy? gonna run over a police officer directing traffic...Jeez, lighten up
But, but, but, he MIGHT not be a REAL cop! He MIGHT have gotten his uniform, body armor, hat, badge, name tag, collar brass, gun belt, pistol, magazines, handcuffs, cuff case, OC spray, OC spray case, flashlight, flashlight ring, etc, all at a costume shop! And he MIGHT want to do me harm! I have no PROOF that he is a REAL cop, and anyway, I know I did nothing wrong, so he has no business speaking to me, and I don't have to do what he says! He works for me, REMEMBER?
quote: gonna run over a police officer directing traffic...Jeez, lighten up
But, but, but, he MIGHT not be a REAL cop! He MIGHT have gotten his uniform, body armor, hat, badge, name tag, collar brass, gun belt, pistol, magazines, handcuffs, cuff case, OC spray, OC spray case, flashlight, flashlight ring, etc, all at a costume shop! And he MIGHT want to do me harm! I have no PROOF that he is a REAL cop, and anyway, I know I did nothing wrong, so he has no business speaking to me, and I don't have to do what he says! He works for me, REMEMBER?
When I see someone trying to direct traffic I always assume they are trying to steal my drunk girlfriend and promptly run them over... even when I'm alone... Usually I just imagined them there anyway.
24 oz. x 12% = 2.88 oz of alcohol.
12 oz. x 5% = 0.6 oz of alcohol.
1 Loko = 4.8 beers.
that's correct, and just for comparison I've made
12 oz. x 20% = 2.4
Anyway the problem isn't the drink, it's them not paying attention to how much they're drinking[:(] and that can happen with anything.
quote:Originally posted by nunn
quote:Sorry NUNN... I don't take too kindly about being told what I will do by anyone...
I'm a free citizen of these United States... and expect to be treated as such.
Especially by a public servant who's very salary is paid by the taxes I work hard for.
So...you're driving down the street, intending to go straight ahead, but there is a problem ahead, a fire, a crash, an armed stand off, maybe, and the nice policeman at the road block tells you that you must turn left or right, but that you may not go straight. He is your servant, and he just told you what to do. Now what?
quote:And you wonder why the many comments against LEO's occur on this forum...
I don't wonder at all; I see people like that every day. They are job security.
It simply is, what it is... Nothing more... Nothing less.
I prefer the choice of running that said "nice" officer over or turning at his direction...
I acknowledge my responsibity if the officer IS in fact an offical Nice Officer and don't get outta my way... if I choose to go strraight.
Does the alleged "Nice" officer realize he might just get run over...?
Or will he just stand there and try and keep me from placing myself in harm's way... if that's the intent.
I'll bet we'd find out... PDQ.
And you'd huff and you'd puff and you'd blow that nasty ol' officer down.[:D] Sure ya would.
Clouder..
What does it taste like?
I've never heard or saw the stuff.
What does it taste like?
low quality fruit juice and grain alcohol.
I have too, more than a couple. One of three things usually occurs:
They get their attitudes in check, they find something else to do with their lives, or they are promoted.
And LE ain't the only place where promotion of problems to pass them on to others occurs either.[xx(] Someday I'll tell you stories over coffee. On second thought, we have better things to talk about.[^]
Have we finally decided whether Heteredon is mildly venomous?
Have we finally decided whether Crotalus horridus atricaudatus is a separate subspecies, or merely a color phase of Crotalus horridus horridus?
I don't keep up, but I did notice that Pseudemys exists no more, having been absorbed into Chrysemys, and Natrix has been changed to I forgot what.
Have we finally decided whether Heteredon is mildly venomous?
Have we finally decided whether Crotalus horridus atricaudatus is a separate subspecies, or merely a color phase of Crotalus horridus horridus?
You have hijacked your own thread![8D]
quote:I have run into a couple of officers with a serious banty-rooster 'tude Nunn.
I have too, more than a couple. One of three things usually occurs:
They get their attitudes in check, they find something else to do with their lives, or they are promoted.
Too often promoted.
I guess if you're 16 and exercising everyday your heart can take such a jolt. Even so, even for a whole lot of money I wouldn't drink two of those on an empty stomach. I can't imagine what it would do to your blood pressure.
Off-topic but not by much: I was at the store the other day and looked at one of those "energy" drinks like Red Bull. I was astounded by how much caffenine was in it. It was like drinking two Starbucks large coffees. I can't imagine drinking a couple of those and not having a racing heartbeat.
I guess if you're 16 and exercising everyday your heart can take such a jolt. Even so, even for a whole lot of money I wouldn't drink two of those on an empty stomach. I can't imagine what it would do to your blood pressure.
Monster energy drinks was/is a big seller on base in Iraq. Expensive too. All I can figure is it's a poor replacement for Alcohol (which is banned). I tried a couple different flavors of the stuff. [xx(]
I don't keep up, but I did notice that Pseudemys exists no more, having been absorbed into Chrysemys, and Natrix has been changed to I forgot what.
Have we finally decided whether Heteredon is mildly venomous?
Have we finally decided whether Crotalus horridus atricaudatus is a separate subspecies, or merely a color phase of Crotalus horridus horridus?
Natrix has been Nerodia for some years now. (always going to be Natrix to me too)
heterodon is indeed an ophistoglyph (rear-fanged for the neophytes, unlike Nunn). No venom gland, but the Duvernois gland (another specialized salivary gland) makes a toxin deadly to toads, and not that much fun to the rare human bitten.
Yep, atricaudatus is synomized with horridis. It is a color variation. With good reason this one was sunk. There are gorgeous populations of 'canebrake' color animals in Eastern Kansas, and around KC in Missouri, well outside the described range. The molecular biologists have shown that the two are genetically indistinct.
And Morelia viridis will always be Chondropython viridis to me.
He Dog Assistant Hijacker.[:)]
You are right, He Dog. Should you and I ever have a chance to converse over coffee or beers, I should hope the topic of conversation would be herpetology.
quote:Originally posted by mlincoln
Off-topic but not by much: I was at the store the other day and looked at one of those "energy" drinks like Red Bull. I was astounded by how much caffenine was in it. It was like drinking two Starbucks large coffees. I can't imagine drinking a couple of those and not having a racing heartbeat.
I guess if you're 16 and exercising everyday your heart can take such a jolt. Even so, even for a whole lot of money I wouldn't drink two of those on an empty stomach. I can't imagine what it would do to your blood pressure.
Monster energy drinks was/is a big seller on base in Iraq. Expensive too. All I can figure is it's a poor replacement for Alcohol (which is banned). I tried a couple different flavors of the stuff. [xx(]
On my base we only had "Rip-Its" which are a smaller, suckier version of an energy drink. I had to drink a six pack of them to fall asleep. I would have smothered the chaplain for a supply of Monsters.