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what finish for a carry gun?
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I know a fella who accidentally left his older German made Walther PP exposed to the elements and it's blued finish rusted bad. It's value as nothing more than a shooter is obviously gone, but he's now down to deciding what sort of durable finish to put on it for use as a carry gun.
He's asked my advice, but I don't have much experience with the latest types. He prefers a dark finish, not any sort of bright plating.
Any suggestions?
What are the costs?
He's asked my advice, but I don't have much experience with the latest types. He prefers a dark finish, not any sort of bright plating.
Any suggestions?
What are the costs?
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if its not coated in tennifer, i dont carry it
As a matter of fact, I mentioned this stuff to him.
I'm not a big fan of the Glock's design, but agree that this is about the most durable finish I've seen on a standard production pistol. Too bad it's not available as an aftermarket item.
quote:ARMOR-TUFFr Protective Firearms Finish was developed specifically for firearms use to provide a surface finish with optimum corrosion protection, abrasion resistance and lubricity. It permanently bonds to the surface of the firearm to form a barrier from acids, oils, paint remover, powder solvents, bore cleaners and other strong industrial solvents. The extremely low curing temperature (300 degrees) prevents possible damage to parts during the curing process. A firearm finished with ARMOR-TUFFr has the most durable, chemical and heat resistant, thermally cured finish available.
Before a firearm is coated with ARMOR-TUFFr the firearm is thoroughly sand blasted with fine grit media, then carefully dehorned and surface prepped. Every carbon steel firearm is parkerized before we apply the finish to form a bonding surface for ARMOR-TUFFr that increases finish durability. A highly trained technician then sprays the ARMOR-TUFFr finish on the firearm before it is thermally cured. After the firearm is re-assembled, a Master Class shooter performs a 100% inspection to insure the finish meets our high standard of quality.
Appearance:
ARMOR-TUFFr has a very attractive satin/matte surface finish that looks very similar to an ultra-fine sandblast blue job. ARMOR-TUFFr is available in matte black, matte OD green and matte grey. We can also do combinations of these colors. A firearm with a black top end and grey or OD green lower looks really "outstanding".
Corrosion Resistance:
ARMOR-TUFFr, when applied to bare common gun steel, will pass the test procedures for salt water spray at 1000 hours, salt water immersion at a minimum of 1000 hours, accelerated salt spray test equivalent to 30 years marine atmosphere exposure, and 60 days sea water immersion. ARMOR-TUFFr surfaces will NEVER rust when subjected to normal firearm use.
Lubricity:
ARMOR-TUFFr contains molybdenum disulfide, which provides excellent anti-friction characteristics. We do, however, still recommend a quality lubricant (preferably synthetic) be used on contact surfaces.
Fluid Resistance:
ARMOR-TUFFr will meet 24-hour immersion requirements in the following fluids: aviation gasoline, hydraulic fluid, jet fuel, lubricating oils, paint removers, trichlorethylene, nitric, sulphuric and hydrochloric acids, hydrogen peroxide, gun powder solvents, common gun lubricants, strong bases such as hydroxide, and numerous other strong chemicals.
Thermal Stability:
ARMOR-TUFFr will withstand exposure to temperature extremes of +500 degrees F to -250 degrees F.
Thickness:
ARMOR-TUFFr has a nominal thickness of between .0003" and .0009" unless a thicker coating is desired, such as on high-wear areas like a pistol grip safety or frontstrap. The thin coating characteristics of less than one thousandth of an inch allow easy re-assembly of precision fitted parts.
Finish Quality:
ARMOR-TUFFr is applied at our finishing facility in Berryville, Arkansas, under the strictest quality control standards.
you can get a much cheaper version and do it your self
Just google it.
Parkote (moly over park) is fast, easy, adheres well, is guaranteed never to flake, peel or blister, and is salt spray resistant to 10K hours.
About the toughest thing you can put on your gun, except chroming or nickeling. Neither are black. Both change dimenions and are far more difficult to "undo" if you find the bling-bling silver finish unappealing.
D.
They seem to be reasonable [$150 for the whole gun?] and have a good reputation.
I have a gun that is rusted, and I'm trying to figure out some way to make it a half way presentable paper weight.
I carry a black Springfield XD-45.
+1
Doug
http://www.southridgearms.com/ServicesandPistolPrice.htm
i know its only available on glocks. that was my point
This is not true, Steyr uses tennifer.
Hey, maybe that'll do the trick??[:0] Joe
i know its only available on glocks. that was my point
Well, that's literally true since "Tennifer" refers to Glocks' proprietary finish, and nobody else uses that EXACT process, but its not technically true.
Sig-Sauer, Smith and Wesson, Walther, and Tanfoglio (and probably others) each have their own proprietary versions of this finish, which are for practical purposes identical to "Tenifer".
Supposedly the process puts a nitride coat over the iron in the steel (hence the name Te-NI-FER), and requires highly toxic salts to accomplish this (I've heard cyanide) which is why not too many manufacturers use it.
FWIW, Smith calls its version "Melonite". Sig calls its own version "Nitron". Tanfoglio's "Wonder" finish is also the same, though unlike the other three, Tanfoglio doesn't blacken their version so it actually looks like unfinished steel.
Of course since these other companies haven't spend literally millions of dollars brainwashing the public into thinking their products are "perfect", most shooters are unaware that other companies finishes are functionally identical to the Austrian make.
Getting back to the actual question, there are lots of aftermarket finishes that will work: Chrome, parkerizing, and many proprietary ones like Duracoat, Robar, etc. Most of these are good.
Personally speaking, for an abused pocket "beater" gun, I wouldn't spend too much money on a fancy finish.
Cost of a refinish depends on what needs to be done, but I'd say the range is probably $50 (for a simple parkerizing) to $250 (for a complex proprietary finish).
Metalife looks like "Matte Stainless".
I know the difference between material and applied finish.
If you had googled it you would too. I guess its easier to give a smart@ss answer.
Just paint it pink. It's a fashion statement.
how many you own like this ?
I just did a P225 and its really nice. The finish is perfect and appears to hold up very well. They're all over sigforumDOTcom.
quote:Originally posted by KEVD18
if its not coated in tennifer, i dont carry it
quote:Originally posted by beantownshootah
quote:Originally posted by KEVD18
i know its only available on glocks. that was my point
Well, that's literally true since "Tennifer" refers to Glocks' proprietary finish, and nobody else uses that EXACT process, but its not technically true.
Sig-Sauer, Smith and Wesson, Walther, and Tanfoglio (and probably others) each have their own proprietary versions of this finish, which are for practical purposes identical to "Tenifer".
Supposedly the process puts a nitride coat over the iron in the steel (hence the name Te-NI-FER), and requires highly toxic salts to accomplish this (I've heard cyanide) which is why not too many manufacturers use it.
FWIW, Smith calls its version "Melonite". Sig calls its own version "Nitron". Tanfoglio's "Wonder" finish is also the same, though unlike the other three, Tanfoglio doesn't blacken their version so it actually looks like unfinished steel.
Of course since these other companies haven't spend literally millions of dollars brainwashing the public into thinking their products are "perfect", most shooters are unaware that other companies finishes are functionally identical to the Austrian make.
Getting back to the actual question, there are lots of aftermarket finishes that will work: Chrome, parkerizing, and many proprietary ones like Duracoat, Robar, etc. Most of these are good.
Personally speaking, for an abused pocket "beater" gun, I wouldn't spend too much money on a fancy finish.
Cost of a refinish depends on what needs to be done, but I'd say the range is probably $50 (for a simple parkerizing) to $250 (for a complex proprietary finish).
quote:Originally posted by sarge_3ad
Just paint it pink. It's a fashion statement.
how many you own like this ?
None! But my granddaughter has a pink cricket. [:D]
Calling some applied finish "stainless" is retarded.
D.
quote:Originally posted by breddyrrt
AZEX
Metalife looks like "Matte Stainless".
I know the difference between material and applied finish.
If you had googled it you would too. I guess its easier to give a smart@ss answer.
Is there a brand name for the cheaper verision of Armor-Tuff.
I have a gun that is rusted, and I'm trying to figure out some way to make it a half way presentable paper weight.
gun kote
my wilson of course came with armor tuff, and after 8 years, and literally 100,000 plus draws from a holster, i have a few wear marks at the muzzle but even after it rubs off the metal is impregnated and will never rust, every part is coated even the internals, i shot in rain, sand pits, and 99 degree days dripping sweat all over the place, no problem
how about that RoGuard from robar.
actually it is the same thing a molybdenum-disulfide finish, and they want 20 bucks more than wilson, with out the pre parkerizing
http://www.robarguns.com/roguard.htm
price list
http://www.robarguns.com/PriceListNov07.pdf
wilson price list
http://www.wilsoncombat.com/workorder.pdf
edit: wilson also dehorns 1911's included in that price
http://www.duracoat-firearm-finishes.com/
I don't have any done in it, but a good friend has done several of his old, thrashed handguns in DuraCoat. They come out looking good and so far, there are no issues with it.
Why spend big dollars for a beater?
Your probaly the Retard Authority by looking at your website. Who designed that Forrest Gump?
y'all missed the whole point of what i was saying. when i said "if its not coated in tennifer, i dont carry it" i meant just that. since glocks are the only gun coated in tennifer(note i didnt say a tennifer like substance) you could reasonably extrapolate that i will only carry a glock.
As with any gun, if you take care of it, it will take care of you. It just depends on how much time you will devote to taking care of your carry gun.
y'all missed the whole point of what i was saying. when i said "if its not coated in tennifer, i dont carry it" i meant just that. since glocks are the only gun coated in tennifer(note i didnt say a tennifer like substance) you could reasonably extrapolate that i will only carry a glock.
Not the only gun, as I stated earlier Steyr uses it to.[:D]
gun kote
+1, I used it on my WASR and love it
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=1150&title=GUN-KOTE?+OVEN+CURE,+GUN+FINISH
if its not coated in tennifer, i dont carry it
ditto
What can't you find on there?
I think the real problem is...
quote:Originally posted by breddyrrt
Azex
Your probaly the Retard Authority by looking at your website. Who designed that Forrest Gump?
I think "the suck" is coming from your place.