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I don't want to sound psycho but......
Skydive
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I had posted this in another forum and was told this was the forum to approach.
I will admit I am a little paranoid about riots and terrorism, but this was my post. I would love to get some feedback.
Let's get hypothetical. I am comfortable that a .357 would stop someone who broke into my home, but lets say I wanted to be VERY precautionary and wanted to be prepared for all out mayhem. Whether it be riots or a bunch of terrorists over running the town.
Keeping in mind that current laws will not allow me to get a machine gun, what would you guys have in your home for protection? Or lets get real hypothetical, you had to fight to get your country back?
Every so often, I like to stick my head out the window, look up, and smile for a satellite picture.
I will admit I am a little paranoid about riots and terrorism, but this was my post. I would love to get some feedback.
Let's get hypothetical. I am comfortable that a .357 would stop someone who broke into my home, but lets say I wanted to be VERY precautionary and wanted to be prepared for all out mayhem. Whether it be riots or a bunch of terrorists over running the town.
Keeping in mind that current laws will not allow me to get a machine gun, what would you guys have in your home for protection? Or lets get real hypothetical, you had to fight to get your country back?
Every so often, I like to stick my head out the window, look up, and smile for a satellite picture.
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Often the mind believes it is thinking, when it is only passing from one metaphor to the next.
2nd, Register to vote and exercise that Freedom.
3rd, Buy a 12 gauge pump Shotgun and practice with it.
4th, Buy a .22 rifle and practice with it.
As a "new member" these are the recommended firearms for you. If you have a .357 that will surely hurt a guy hit center of mass. But if the masses are getting handgun close, refer to #1
A question for you, Why would you need a Machine Gun? and, From whom are you fighting to get our country back from?
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Rameleni1
Narrow it down to five, I'd say:
.308 battle rifle
12 gauge shotgun, pump will be fine
Combat handgun of some type, such as .357, .45, or similar
Concealable handgun of some type
.22 rifle for small game
After those, start looking at sniper rifles, special purpose weapons (including AK47, AR15, etc), special purpose game-getters, and those that are particularly attracvtive (whatever that may be to you). Don't overlook something in .50 BMG.
To err is human, to moo is bovine.
Nothing very, very good or very, very bad lasts for very, very long.
I have a S&W 357 Mag and quite a bit of ammo
I also have a .22 rifle that I have been working with at 100yrds at a ton of ammo.
I've never fired a shotgun so I seek advice on that and I would feel more comfortable with an assult rifle.
Who am I fighting against. Who knows? After South Central, Terrorism, and our overall vulnerability? Your guess is as good as mine. I just want to be damn ready if it happens.
Again, I may be paranoid but I'd rather be prepared that standing there with nothing.
Every so often, I like to stick my head out the window, look up, and smile for a satellite picture.
In Jax, FL. just today and the days not over;
Six Murders and a Murder Suicide.
I'm not Paranoid, I'M READY!
Remember...Terrorist are attacking Civilians; Not the Government. Protect Yourself!
Edited by - RugerNiner on 09/26/2002 22:55:46
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Pack slow, fall stable, pull high, hit dead center.
mkirkland, Please refer to number 2, again, that is where the battle is fought.
Lets see, when was the WTC bombed by terrorist using the truck in the parking garage? So why should the WTC attack of 2001 surprise anyone? The use of planes slated for Trans continental flights as weapons did surprise me. There was a genius to it and I hate them for it.
About going toe to toe with our government, tell me anyone here, what is it your going to have to advance on and kill even a Bradley fighting machine with? After all they do have "large casualty producing weapon" and will use them. (see Waco)
Someone with an AR, pistols in every pocket a shotgun and ALL the ammo they can hoarded will still need to refer to #1.
Russia 20 years ago was known as the USSR, a communist country. Today thanks to our government (read Reagan) they are a fledging Democracy of sorts with growing pains which was expected.
Last, I don't care for horses even Shetlands, and I refuse to peak at reality I'll boldly stare at it and prepare for it.
The lever gun suggestion is a great idea. Plus if used as self defense and you ended up in court, "Why it's the same kind of rifle John Wayne used" you attorney would claim. There you go, your out eating Ice cream.
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if your going to be a savage, be a headhunter
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It's not what you know that gets you in trouble, it's what you know that just ain't so!
The scenarios you make mention of is a large part of the reason for my growing collection of arms and ammo.
dads- We are not completely sure who our advisaries MAY be.But if you take a look at who our government has p!$$ed-off in the last Thirty or so years...
1.Nearly every Central American nation.The involvment of the CIA in tampering with the governments,elections, and economic systems of these countries for the last 40-odd years,has created a lot of mistrust amongst our closest neighbors.This has also fostered a well-spring for the communist ideology in these largly poor,and frequently corrupt,nations.
2.Nearly every Middle-Eastern nation.Our undying support for Israel,
no matter what kind of military action they are involved in, no matter how many UN resolutions they, the Israelies,violate,has created some hardcore hatred for us.Also our manipulation of the region's politics(remember the Shah of Iran?)has added to the image of "American Imperialism".
3.South-East Asia. Viet Nam, Cambodia. Lyndon Johnson's war.Again CIA
screwing with the geo-political climate of these nations.
4.China and North Korea.Idealogicly different from us, but also harboring a lot of anger for us.In a recent news story, I read that a lot of people that survived "The Rape of Nan-King", are still hoping for payback to the Japanese for their war crimes.The Chinese did not get the chance for war crime tribunals,to the extent that Europe saw.
A lot of war atrocities in China,by the invading Japanese, went ignored by the west.Consequently, who currently provides most of Japan's national security from foreign invaders?The United States does.
We also provide for the defense of Taiwan, the tiny democratic island nation off the coast of mainland China.A nation comprised of people who fought the communist Chinese revolution.
There is host of domestic groups that we need to be careful with as well.
Most of these countries,with the exception of China, probably alone could not put-up a viable offensive against the U.S., but the possibility of several of these nations,sharing a common interest in the destruction of the U.S., pooling their resources, along with the willingness of the starving former super powers of Russia and China,
freely selling arms and military technology to anyone with the $$$,
creates a very hostile invironment for the American people.
With the poor control of our borders,there is a possibility that an invading,and occupying army, may already be here!
Skydive, get a least one good assault style weapon, at least one good 12 ga. shot gun, and at least one good pistol.Then buy ammo in quantities.Once you've done this, repeat the process.One more assault style weapon,etc.
My apologies to everyone if I sound paranoid but, history repeats it's self.We are King of the Hill.And as history has instructed,
there is jealosy, and envy, toward any one in that position.Multiply that with the train-wreck we call "foreign policy", and the sum of this equasion, makes me believe we need to fight to keep ,and frequently exercize our 2nd amendment rights
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caliber pump gun. Go for the eyes. Don't hesitate at a groin shot either. Dig a moate around your house and fill it with gasoline and used motor oil. If they get that close throw a road flare into the moate. Toe to toe with tree huggers and perverts won't be that difficult because they hate violence.
"Join the Baby Fur Seal Club and take a swing at life"
you need to secure an area and CONTROL IT call it perimeter ,get logistics on all ,scape routes alternative refuges and important, communications with people on the same boat ,group protection to secure resources .....group work to gain survival needs and recover
from the emergency, its easier OUTSIDE THE CITYS in secluded secured spots....
Get all you can in alternate energy , manufacturing ,biology agriculture ,aquaculture , at the end KNOLEDGE will be more valuable than GUNS and guns without knoledge is worthless, only good for the cowards scape .....
Knoledge rules !!!
JD
400 million cows can't be wrong ( EAT GRASS !!! )
It is facinating that we all love guns and shooting here, that is a common thread. The differences in how we use or prepare to use them is vastly different, and that is interesting. Nice thread Skydive!
A balanced diet is a cookie in each hand
if your going to be a savage, be a headhunter
On the other hand if you are taking the fight to "them" on your terms, time and place and want to lob a "big Molotov" at any armored vehicle, refer to #1!
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Knowledge is power
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Home sweet home
I guess I'm a bit confused about defending ones property in the case of a riot and taking the battle to an enemy such as the Finns described. First, if the US government vs. the people started, I'd hazard a guess there would be MASS confusion and lots of folks trying to get to the country. Where by the country folks would start killing trespassers. So Urban dwellers could be a hazard to the enemy as you described but only for a season. I say this because if we sit on our butts and LET it come to that, then those in power of the US government will bring into play any and all force necessary to end the problem areas such as Russia has and will continue to do with that that problematic little republic Chetz....sp. Which brings me to another point, the average Russian trooper is NOT enthusiastic about killing fellow Russians. I doubt American troopers would be eager to kill fellow Americans.
Skydive, Another thing, the reason them other boards didn't want your question, is because they can't take the heat!
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As for me, I have, I think, the right mix of testosterone, caution and courage, or at least temerity. At least I like to think so. Like my dog, my instinct is to evade while continuing forward, rather than to turn and run. That has so far served me well, and has had no worse consequences than to cost a couple road hogs some insurance money from their own, not my, agencies.
At home, there is nothing quite like the 12 gauge, either pump or semi-auto, for spreading out a lot of firepower across a large area in a short time. Rifles and handguns are very good too, but they drill holes, not "rat holes." It is perhaps easier to cover an entire doorway with a 12 than a pistol of any caliber, both because of pattern and because barrel length = better tactical accuracy in point-n-shoot scenarios.
I have a number of handguns I won't go into here, as well as a 12-gauge with a selection of ammo including shot from #8 to #1 (15 .30-cal. pellets per shot) and slugs. I also have a .30 carbine and an AKM type 56S with LOTS of filled mags.
Am I paranoid? Only if no one would or could ever come for me. I prefer the Boy Scout motto -- be prepared. Today's paranoia may be tomorrow's life-or-death scenario. I don't kid myself that I'm sure to win in the end of a sustained battle, but I'm not very likely to go alone either, even by ambush. I feel better knowing I'm not among the sheep.
- Life NRA Member
"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
To me, though it might seem to be a waste of time it matters. Remember Florida. If we gun owners are being vigilant by preparing to fight and defend our rights should not the voting booths reflect this interest?
If ya'll vote, I'll hush my mouth. If'n ya don't, then stay on the porch.
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All out meyhem by yourself, your dead. You can take out one hel* of a lot of the bad guys though.
Country back? Have a M1 and a file handy. 15 minutes and you are in full auto. Maybe others too, I only know about the M1. We don't worry about the ATF in this case!
cbxjeffIt's too late for me, save yourself.
IT'S SURVIVAL...... Life of others depend on YOU and YOU depend also on others so the proper dicipline must be set and mantained...
But it will take a book as big as a Bible to explain here ......
JD
(COMMANDER DREAD)
Shalom!
400 million cows can't be wrong ( EAT GRASS !!! )
I doubt American troopers would be eager to kill fellow Americans.
Remember Kent State? Waco? Ruby Ridge? I wouldn't bet my life for one minute on such "fellowship".
Often the mind believes it is thinking, when it is only passing from one metaphor to the next.
if your going to be a savage, be a headhunter
Kent State - Violent Rioting - Shooters, Army National Guard
Ruby Ridge - Chopping shotgun barrels under 18" - FBI
Waco - Is the only situation mentioned where US Gov. (again FBI) under William Jefferson and Killer Reno had zero cause to serve the warrant in cattle trailers and APC. The Gov. claimed drugs were being manufactured allowing the military to get involved. There were several things going on at that compound that drew attention to them, one being lots of machine gun parts being bought but no class 3 Dealers. Then the claim from Killer Reno that babies were being sexually assaulted, (so lets burn them.). I am in no way offering any excuse for the Gov. actions in Waco. The FBI acted heinously, following directions based on lies. I HAVE NOT read ANY first hand reports from ANY military personnel that were involved in that action. If you have please provide source. I do not believe knowing what they know now, that any of the military guys were proud or happy to conduct that operation. Maybe someday we'll know the rest of the story. All I do know somehow Klinton got elected and allowed it to happen.
mkirkland, You are absolutely right, the odds are against the right. But I'm of the opinion that is where the battle must be fought. Sounds like I'm in the same boat as you but with three kids. The schools try to sway them to the left and we pull them to the right. So we must make up the difference by sharing our sport and educating the masses when ever we get a chance. Sorry, I'll get off the soap box.
I feel that since 9-11 there has been a subtle yet positive shift of the American populace to the right. Klinton got good marks because of the economy. The economy stinks right now but Bush, this week was at 70+ approval rating. This my friend is good news.
If you have one shot...Accu-Shot Website
Kent State - Violent Rioting - Shooters, Army National Guard
Ruby Ridge - Chopping shotgun barrels under 18" - FBI
Waco - Is the only situation mentioned where US Gov. (again FBI) under William Jefferson and Killer Reno had zero cause to serve the warrant in cattle trailers and APC. The Gov. claimed drugs were being manufactured allowing the military to get involved. There were several things going on at that compound that drew attention to them, one being lots of machine gun parts being bought but no class 3 Dealers. Then the claim from Killer Reno that babies were being sexually assaulted, (so lets burn them.). I am in no way offering any excuse for the Gov. actions in Waco. The FBI acted heinously, following directions based on lies. I HAVE NOT read ANY first hand reports from ANY military personnel that were involved in that action. If you have please provide source. I do not believe knowing what they know now, that any of the military guys were proud or happy to conduct that operation. Maybe someday we'll know the rest of the story. All I do know somehow Klinton got elected and allowed it to happen.
mkirkland, You are absolutely right, the odds are against the right. But I'm of the opinion that is where the battle must be fought. Sounds like I'm in the same boat as you but with three kids. The schools try to sway them to the left and we pull them to the right. So we must make up the difference by sharing our sport and educating the masses when ever we get a chance. Sorry, I'll get off the soap box.
I feel that since 9-11 there has been a subtle yet positive shift of the American populace to the right. Klinton got good marks because of the economy. The economy stinks right now but Bush, this week was at 70+ approval rating. This my friend is good news.
If you have one shot...Accu-Shot Website
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I feel that since 9-11 there has been a subtle yet positive shift of the American populace to the right.
I feel that since 9-11 there has been a not so subtle erosion of our freedoms and a negative shift of the government toward fascism.
Often the mind believes it is thinking, when it is only passing from one metaphor to the next.
(If I knew how to do that quote thing, I would)
How are we losing our freedoms? And please explain, if you don't mind, the reasons behind your feelings of the government moving towards fascism.
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How are we losing our freedoms? And please explain, if you don't mind, the reasons behind your feelings of the government moving towards fascism.
Have you been to an airport or government office lately? Have you flown on an airplane lately? Have you read any of the 103 pieces of new legislation that either relax or relieve restrictions on our security agencies re: powers of surveillance and detainer? Have you read the Home Security Act? Have you read Mein Kampf?
Often the mind believes it is thinking, when it is only passing from one metaphor to the next.
This does bother me. I skydive as a hobby and when I get a chance to travel on business I like to take my rig and skydive at a different Drop Zone. We have devices called ADD's that automatically activate your reserve if your falling faster than 100 miles an hour at under 1000 feet. It uses a small incendiary device to burn the small line that holds the reserve in. I used to be able to carry this onto a plane, now I can't even get it in my checked baggage. This sucks.
Every so often, I like to stick my head out the window, look up, and smile for a satellite picture.
if your going to be a savage, be a headhunter
First off, congratulations on waking up and recognizing that one day you're going to have to either defend yourself and your Liberty or sit on your * in servitude.
Second, I see that very few people have the slightest clue as to what actually went down at Waco. I've been saying the same crap for years as well as providing undisputeable proof, yet people continue to bleat the ignorant crap that CNN bottle fed them with. I'll not be repeating myself, so y'all can feel free to type in "Evil ATF" as your GB search word if you're interested and just happened to miss it the first 1,000 times I said it.
Third, you need to examine your personal situation.
Are you in an urban or rural area?
Do you have a family to support, or are you a bachelor?
Do you have the funds to thoroughly equip yourself or are you on a limited budget?
1. Buy a copy of a book called Boston's Gun Bible by Boston T. Party. It is the definitive resource for the 21st Century Freedom Fighter/Survivalist. The book will greatly help you in gear and weapon selection, so buy a copy before you commit the funds to a rifle you may regret buying later.
2. Buy yourself a Main Batttle Rifle (MBR).
Traditionally the term MBR refers to a rifle chambered in .30 or some kind (.308, 30.06, etc), but it has been watered down to mean an "assault" type rifle. I favor the M1A. Others favor the AR15 or FAL. All are great for the Survivalist.
3. Go to a credible school such as Front Sight (My favorite) or Thunder Ranch.
Front Sight gift certificates are available for purchase here on www.gunbroker.com for a paltry $275. The certificate will allow you to take any of the Four Day courses offered. These classes usually go for $1,000 or more, so the $275 gift certificate is a screaming deal. I went when the certificates were selling for $400.
Take the Four Day Rifle course first, then decide if you want to take Advanced Four Day Rifle or the Four Day Defensive Handgun. I'd recommend getting the two rifle courses out of the way first, as handguns do not win wars. We're already engaged in one in this country, the public simply fails to recognize it.
4. Equip yourself with enough food, water, medical supplies, etc.
It will do you no good to be the biggest, baddest mofo on your block if you drop due to hunger, thirst, sickness, etc.
www.frugalsquirrels.com is a good place to meet like minded people and gather valuable survival information.
That's the basics. Get those out of the way and drop me an email. I'll be happy to help you further if you'd like, I just don't come by here much anymore due to some of the asinine comments in this thread.
People need to wake up and smell what they're neck deep in.
But that's just me, the GB Psycho.
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