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Saudis Funding Suicide Bombings
Patrick Odle
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Did a telethon for martyr's families. Again proving that all arabs thinks with one mind. deny this if you are a so called american arab or are ignorant of all arabs.
One good thing you never hear a succesful suicide bomber saying "Seconds Anyone"!
One good thing you never hear a succesful suicide bomber saying "Seconds Anyone"!
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million dollars for the families of the suicide bombers!!
I say stop doing business with the saudis (SP?). Then
if they don't mend their ways,,which they won't,,
BOMBS AWAY! Also,,ship em all back,,,as long as they
have free run of OUR COUNTRY this terrorism will only
increase!! Am I wrong
Please don't confuse this post with those that want a
certain people who are here for a better life and pursue
the American dream removed from our country, I'm talking
about people that want you and me dead
It's not the number of your stars that count,,it's the size of your moon.
Edited by - sodbuster on 04/13/2002 22:38:41
If they want to be Americans, and have entered this country legally, I have no problem with them becomming citizens. The problem would be they would be told, the fund they were donating to would be to " help the widows and orphans back home". Unless State Department would let everyone know that weren't necessarly so, they will notknow the differance.
Margaret Thatcher
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
Mark Twain
Only in America a homeless war veteran slept in a cardboard box while a draft dodger slept in the white house...NEVER AGAIN!!
Bush to Sharon, back off.
Sharon to Bush, Screw you!
With friends like this , who needs any enemies?
Seriously, the Saudi Telethon raising money for the Palestinians is absolutely unacceptable in my opinion. All they're doing is setting their country up to lose; if we stopped buying their oil and providing protection for them, their kings would become Saddam's slaves. (Maybe that's what needs to happen).
"If you can do it, it ain't braggin'".
JR Ewing - "Dallas"
I'm sure some of our "resident historians" will remember Israel's offer to return the Gaza Strip to the Egyptians. The Egyptians had no desire to care for the Palestinian refugees in that region so they refused Israel's offer, turning their backs on the Palestinians that they professed to care so deeply about! The Arab nations only apparent desire is for the complete destruction of Israel first, then the rest of the "Western World".
Let's not forget that while the United States is calling for Israel to withdraw it's forces, I have heard none of the Arab nations calling for the Palestinians to stop the terrorist activities.
When we do develop an alternate energy source and find that we no longer need to deal with our backstabbing 'Arab friends', these nations will be plunged further into poverty.
Then I'm sure we will be deeply loved in the region because we can end our "occupation".
Those who maintain that the region's problems are due to our need for imported oil should really get their heads out of the sand. The oil producing nations of the world need us far more than we need them!!
Of course this is just my humble absolutely correct opinion.
My wife?.........Sure!My dog?..........Maybe!MY GUNS??........NEVER!!!
And of course the obligatory personal attack!
Thank you Beach,, you never disappoint.
Notice beginning members that member ranking here is based only on number of posts, not intellectual content.
knowlege about the middle-east than I will ever have.
I have learned a great deal from some of the posts on this
topic. Do I have this correct? Israel lets the palastinians
live in an area but they are strictly controlled by Israel.
The palastinians feel that they have a right to live free of
Israel control. Israel says pigs-nose,,you live here you
gonna live as we tell you how to live. Israel has F-16 jets,
tanks,etc,,and billions of U.S.A. money. The palastinians
get aid from other muslums. All muslims hate our guts and
want to kill all Americans because we give Israel billions.
Unless we give the palastinians a place to live in freedom
they will suicide bomb til nobody is left to strap C-4 to.
What I want to know is what do we get in return for all those
billions that we give to Israel? (Besides all arabs hate our
guts)Israel is our friend,,I've seen this on posts,,how do
they show us friendship? I don't really care about either one of these people but it looks like we are right in the middle of it. Now what would be wrong (don't be bashfull you ain't going to hurt my feelings as I have taken no sides here) with this. Cut Israel off of their allowance for a couple of years (or longer),,secure the palastinians a place to live in freedom. Then,,,,prepare to give either one of them a spankin' if they get out of line??
It's not the number of your stars that count,,it's the size of your moon.
Stanman I'll let my postings over the last few years stand the observation of time. That you choose to denegrate me I too have come to expect from the shallow hollow being that you are. I am more interested in peace than you could imagine. As a military man I know who dies when this country is drawn into war. I believe you probably have never served your country or you would be far more reluctant to shed American blood for Israel. Actally I'd be a little more respectful of you if you had. You dismiss any anti Israel argument out of hand and continually spout the Israeli government's party line. Were you to offer some constructive remarks rather than mere condemnation of all that is not Israeli you might be taken a little more seriously around here....as it stands you will just always be the litlle Israeli posterboy. Beach
More name calling, personal attacks and now speculation about my service to my country!!
Do you know the definition of the word "sanctimony"??
Now rather than wait for your reply, I think I'll take my lovely wife to dinner someplace nice!!
Shalom
Edited by - stanman on 04/14/2002 22:14:51
Sodbuster:
quote:What I want to know is what do we get in return for all those billions that we give to Israel? (Besides all arabs hate our guts)Israel is our friend,,I've seen this on posts,,how do
they show us friendship?
The USS Liberty, on 06/08/67. http://www.ussliberty.org/
DarkStar11"Now is the test of the boomerangtossed in the night of redeeming"
You still haven't put my speculation to bed regarding your dedication to this country.....I wonder if it equals your dedication to Israel.
And yes I do. Beach
Happiness is a warm gun
http://www.ussliberty.org/
Uh huhhhh......
Since you seem to be into utterly baseless, chest-thumping, anti-Semetic, xenophobic Jingoism, I think I can point you in the direction of a few sites you might like:
Here's one that gives LOTS of reasons why Tim McVeigh was totally innocent and the OKC bombing was orchestrated by the mob.
Heres' one that says that George Bush is collaborating with the Communist Chinese to push drugs on our children.
Here's one that says John Ashcroft is actually a Reptoid in a human-skin costume, and is secretly plotting the invasion of the world.
Here's http://www.blackvault.com
And last but not least, heres http://www.ussliberty.org
What do these sites all have in common?
They all give dozens of anecdotes and obscure references to support a ridiculous idea...
...and they're all patent bullsh**, spun by corroded minds and based in deep-seated hatred and emotional issues.
I'm disgusted, frankly, and I've heard this crap too many times.
Come back and talk to me when you can deal in facts.
What I think angered me more than anything about stanman was his casual dismissal of the attack on the USS Liberty as a simple mistake even in light of the evidence to the contrary. By his reasoning if Israel did an horrific act Israel must have had justifiable cause really rubs me the wrong way. His refusal to admit that Israel could be a part...even a small part of the problem over there defies any logic. His belief that if Israeli's butcher and murder it's ok but if a Palestinian does it it is a terrible terrorist act....well you guys get the picture.
Most of you guys know me and know I'm pretty level headed. But when stanman starts up his simplistic pro-Israel prattling instead of addressing an issue...I'll continue to take umbrage with it. Beach
P.S. What really frosts me though is when he calls anybody not in bed with Israel an anti-semetic. Palestinians are a semetic people does that make the Israeli government itself an anti-semetic organization? Just a question. Beach
Section 1 Basic Principles
Basic human rights in Israel are based on the recognition of the value of the human being, and the sanctity of his life and his freedom, and these will be respected in the spirit of the principles of the Declaration of Independence of the State of Israel.
Section 1a Purpose
The purpose of this Basic Law is to protect human dignity and liberty, in order to anchor in a Basic Law tile values of the State of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state.
Section 2 Preservation of life, body and dignity
There shall be no violation of the life, body or dignity of any person as such.
Section 3 Protection of property
There shall be no violation of the property of a person.
Section 4 Protection of life, body, and dignity
All persons are entitled to protection of their life, body, and dignity.
Section 5 Personal liberty
There shall be no deprivation or restriction of the liberty of a person by imprisonment, arrest, extradition or by any other manner.
Section 6 Leaving and entering Israel
(a) All persons are free to leave Israel.
(b) Every Israel national has the right of entry into Israel from abroad.
Section 7 Privacy
(a) All persons have the right to privacy and to intimacy.
(b) There shall be no entry into the private premises of a person who has not consented thereto.
(c) No search shall be conducted on the private premises or body of a person, nor in the body or belongings of a person.
(d) There shall be no violation of the secrecy of the spoken utterances, writings or records of a person.
Section 8 Violation of rights
There shall be no violation of rights under this Basic Law except by a Law fitting the values of the State of Israel, designed for a proper purpose, and to an extent no greater than required or by such a law enacted with explicit authorization therein.
Section 9 Reservation regarding security forces
There shall be no restriction of rights under this Basic Law held by persons serving in the Israel Defence Forces, the Israel Police, the Prisons Service and other security organizations of the State, nor shall such rights be subject to conditions, except by virtue of a Law and to an extent no greater than required by the nature and character of the service.
Section 10 Validity of laws
This Basic Law shall not affect the validity of any law (din) in force prior to the commencement of the Basic Law.
Section 11 Application
All governmental authorities are bound to respect the rights under this Basic Law.
Section 12 Stability
This Basic Law cannot be varied, suspended or made subject to conditions by emergency regulations; notwithstanding, when a state of emergency exists, by virtue of a declaration under Section 9 of the Law and Administration Ordinance, 5708-1948, emergency regulations may be enacted by virtue of said section to deny or restrict rights under this Basic Law, provided the denial or restriction shall be for a proper purpose and for a period and extent no greater than required.
Fitz
The only stumbling block would be the Wailing Wall & there should be a way to offer compensating land in return for the wall.
Beach: That should be "Wir fahren gegen Palistine".
Please take a deep breath and try to read this post as if someone elses screen name appears on the left over there OK?
It's late here so try to bear with me, if you would, as I stumble across the keyboard.
Nowhere, never, in any of my posts have I advocated for direct US military involvement in defense of Israel. Yet you stated that if I were a "military man" I would be more "reluctant to shed American blood in defense of Israel." I don't honestly know where that came from. I would say that historically Israel has proven her ability to fly her own planes and drive her own tanks, wouldn't you? I don't believe they need or want our people, just our hardware. They do it better for themselves than we could ever hope to do it for them.
quote:
"What I think angered me more than anything about stanman was his casual dismissal of the attack on the USS Liberty as a simple mistake even in light of the evidence to the contrary."
Perhaps you would be so kind as to show me where I even had the opportunity to respond to the post about the USS liberty??
You can't do that can you beach,,,,,, You put words in my mouth, made statements on my behalf, and you call ME a shallow, hollow being. You should be ashamed! I sincerely hope you teach metal shop or PE, something harmless, God forbid YOU were trying to teach HISTORY!!
I have noticed that you typically respond to member's posts in a calm, thoughtful and well spoken manner. However, for whatever reason, you have chosen to respond to my posts with extreme,almost adolescent volatility. You have never hesitated to resort to name calling and have basically behaved rather like a troll. Maybe someone with my name screwed your girlfriend in college (hey, was that YOUR girlfriend??) You have made historically inaccurate statements and then accused me of being ignorant of history. ("Israel launched a Pearl Harbor style attack", wow, that one still cracks me up beach.)
But,, since I live with my wife and our three teenage daughters I deal with that sort of 'I'm right because I want to be' mentality every day, so I'll leave the last word on this one to you, as I have before, as I'm sure your cheering section is eager to hear what you have to say for yourself.
I must, however, confess some surprise that Salzo couldn't see through your spin job, he always strikes me as being much more astute than that! Perhaps he was just temporarily blinded by all your many stars.
Oh, and about my military service,,,,,,, No, you don't even deserve to know under whose flag I might have served.
Bullzeye: ............. BULLSEYE!!
Plenty of edits, huh?
Edited by - stanman on 04/15/2002 05:40:48
Edited by - stanman on 04/15/2002 05:44:05
Edited by - stanman on 04/15/2002 06:00:21
You mentioned once building an outhouse for me. I mentioned that I doubted your ability to construct something that simple. Nothing you have said since causes me to change that opinion of you. You seek to anger me by some reference to college girlfriend's being nailed by someone with your name....highly unlikely. And I'm certain I didn't nail your wife....she only has daughters.
Stanman I will continue to view you as Israel's little posterboy dressed up in your SS uniform with a Star of David on your arm. I too tire of debating an individual who resorts to name calling whenever he meets with difficulty....sounds a lot like Sharon to me. I realize you are not reading this stanman as per your prior statement but perhaps if you were you would propose a solution to the Middle East rather than merely mouthing Israeli platitudes. If you want to see what happens as a result of Israel's latest incursion you will....when Israel pulls out previously moderate Palestiinans will have been driven to the point of putting their explosive backpacks on and begin the suicide bombing anew. Something has to be done to prevent that....it means thinking outside of the box....something Sharon and Arafat have been unable to do. Until they do the cycle will only continue.
Oh and stanman...I don't need to know about your lack of military service. Your reluctance to state your chosen service speaks volumes to those who actually have served. Most people who are reluctant to speak of their service usually had an unhappy time and blame it on the military. In any case stanman...let's hear your solution to the Middle East....and you are not permitted to set up extermination camps like Treblinka as one of your choices. Beach
attack on Egypt as a Pearl Harbor like attack.
We all better go get our heads shaved after work.
I deal in facts every day. Like the one where over 4000 Palestinians have been "arrested" since Israel started its campaign in the occupied territories. And the fact that Israel has been pushing Palestinians into concentra....er, I mean, refugee camps. And the fact that while the Israelis say they have nothing to hide in the refugee camps and that they haven't killed hundreds of civilians in Jenin (as alleged by Palestinians) they won't allow reporters into the camp to see what has happened there. And there seems to be a lot of evidence showing that the attack on the USS Liberty was not just a casual mistake by Israel.
DarkStar11"Now is the test of the boomerangtossed in the night of redeeming"
Right you are, it would appear I have incorrectly attributed your quote to beachmaster. My mistake!
Beach,
I sincerely regret having credited you with the "pearl harbor attack" statement. You, however, have tagged me with two seperate statements which I never made, and rather than dredge up the testicular mass to admit when you're wrong, you have replied with juvenile statements and denial.
"I'm not going to call it up out of the archives because you don't merit that much research and if you are anything like the country you so proudly represent you probably have already deleted it."
The fact that the statements were never made means nothing to you, so why don't you ask your cheerleaders if they remember the posts that I supposedly deleted? Of course you won't do that, I wouldn't either, I would just admit that I was wrong.
You have used half truths, fraudulent quotes, and personal attacks to elevate your own opinion of yourself and to denegrate me. Hillary needs people with your special skills for her Presidential campaign.
Shhhh, whats that sound??
Oh, that's just beach's credibility on this forum going down the toilet!!
Let me speculate about your service beach............ Coast Guard??
Ok, NOW I've wasted all the time I can waste on one pathetic little man.
Shalom
Hello-Goodbye.
Happiness is a warm gun
I did state with certainty earlier that I couldn't possibly have been the father of your children....that was before I realized that you lived in Portland....I went to Portland several times during the Rose Festival in that city between 15 and 18 years ago maybe one is mine.
Stanman, my little Israeli posterboy, did you think to insult me by tagging my military service as Coast Guard? Do you and your little JDL friends believe the Coast Guard to be a joke? Well I'll tell you this every military man appreciates what the Coast Guard does. They have to go out and rescue others in need when the other services do not. They always have to go out....they don't have to come back. It was not my honor to serve in the Coast Guard you malignant little JDL chancroid. By casting dispersions on the Coast Guard you have shown this forum what a juvenile little sack of fecal material you are.
Now just go and put on your little SS uniform and goosestep around for a while thinking about what you'd like to do with the Palestinians.....Incidently stanman do your SS runes go above or below the Star of David on your uniform? Beach
P.S. Stanman you bore me with your predictable pro-Israeli rhetoric. When you have something worth saying that could solve the problem then speak; otherwise you are just part of the problem. You know I asked you if you had any ideas on how to solve it. You came up with maggies drawers. Try again and see if you can produce an X-Ring. Beach
Edited by - beachmaster73 on 04/16/2002 13:12:07
anyone that is cheering on these atocities but I hope you might consider deleating or at least editing the last post.
Which brings up the question of how? I can't find any symbol
that has the eraser on it.
It is abidingly strange how they can complain at such length about the Holocaust & then turn around & become everything that the
Nazis were. I also get upset when I hear their fighters decribed as
gunmen or terrorists. They are policemen & militamen defending their
homes & families.
Oh yeah....gruntled you have to be logged on and the eraser thing shows at the top of your message. Beach
P.S. Thanks gruntled for the oil check there...I did go over the top a little.
Edited by - beachmaster73 on 04/16/2002 13:16:00