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Martial arts training ?
blaze
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I recently enrolled in taekwondo classes & was curios as to if any of you take or have taken them, how long does it take to advance, did it get you in better shape, just wandering ?
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I was in the best shape of my life when I was taking Tae Kwon Do. I spent about 3 hours a day or more 5 days a week. I was in high school and didn't really have anything else to do, so I was able to spend the time needed. Can't do it now, don't have time.
You'll know when you advance. It will take a while. The more time a day you spend, the more you'll advance faster. But you won't really start doing good till you get in shape, depending on what your shape is now, it could take 6 months or it could take a year. One thing I learned is if you see little kids running around your school with black belts on, then you need to find another school.
If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.
The sound of a 12 gauge pump clears a house fatser than Rosie O eats a Big Mac !
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400 million cows can't be wrong ( EAT GRASS !!! )
And yes, to prove she could do it, she smacked me a good one, knocked the wind out of me. I was mesmerized at the time, yeah thats it, I was mesmerized by, by, by "two points of her own way up high, workin on the", yeah thats it. Who the hell told her about that solar plexis thingee anyway? I could still take her though, really I could!
On a different note, my dad was in Judo for thirteen years and never got a "black belt", he did not hold much merit in that belt stuff. He was even an instructor for awhile.
And another piece of advice I wish I would have done. Don't quit. After you've been there for a couple of years, and are peaking, then start rounding you education a little. Enroll in a grappling class, maybe jujitsu (sp) or judo. That way you'll know some ground fighting as well as stand up fighting. And don't worry about getting youre kicks all high and pretty. Most kicking above the waist is a waste of time. The most effective kicking is to the legs. I know from experience getting in real fights. A good round house or side kick to the knee will end a fist fight pretty quickly.
If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.
The sound of a 12 gauge pump clears a house fatser than Rosie O eats a Big Mac !
and we recently found out there is to be
an $800. charge for black belt testing,and
a camp.They don`t tell anybody about this
charge while signing them.
My 24 year old has a black belt in Tae Qwon Do.
I`ve been wondering about all those little kids
runnin` around with brown and black belts..I`m
pretty sure I could whup a couple of`em.
.218
The most important things, Are not things.
Very important is simply having the will to fight and knowing how to punch and kick, and knowing where to strike an opponent. Our Shido Ryu instructor would tell us to observe the cat. He is always relaxed but always ready to fight. The 10 lb cat will fight a 90 lb dog and win. So, if a bully outweighs you by 50 lbs, that is not so much.
"Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
Edited by - allen griggs on 07/30/2002 09:40:43
Edited by - allen griggs on 07/30/2002 09:49:10
"Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
My nine year old son has a brown belt in karate,
and we recently found out there is to be
an $800. charge for black belt testing,and
a camp.They don`t tell anybody about this
charge while signing them.
My 24 year old has a black belt in Tae Qwon Do.
I`ve been wondering about all those little kids
runnin` around with brown and black belts..I`m
pretty sure I could whup a couple of`em.
.218
We used to call those black belt factories. I don't repect any USTSA or nationally organized schools that allow 10 year olds to earn black belts that their parents payed for. Its not about degrees or belts, its about experience. When you buy belts thats all they are is bought belts, not earned belts. And I don't know a 10 year old in the world who could beat up a physically healthy adult. Do to lack of physical developement, there is no way a 10 year old should be able to earn such a rank in a real school.
I'd advise checking out some of the smaller schools in the area.
We used to get black belts from the local black belt factory all the time. It was called Tae Kwon Do Plus... Some of them haven't ever even been allowed to use face contact during sparring, and they are supposed to be black belts. It wasn't to uncommon for them to recieve a bloody nose if not a broken one, and never show up againl.
If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.
The sound of a 12 gauge pump clears a house fatser than Rosie O eats a Big Mac !
If you want to compare the effectiveness of the different martial arts styles, go to Blockbuster and check out the Ultimate Fighting Championship. This is a real fight with no time limit and almost no rules. There are about 16 of these videos out now, but try to get one of the early ones. You will see a tae kwon do guy fight a wrestler. Then a kung fu practitioner will fight a bar bouncer. I have practiced tae kwon do and shido ryu, which is a Japanese style that favors low kicks and rib punches. I was very interested to see how the different styles would match up. One thing you quickly see is that the tae kwon do style, with the high kicks, doesn't do well against a wrestler or jiu jitsu style. The tae kwon do guy throws his kick and the wrestler grabs his leg, they go to ground, and the high kicker gets pinned in 15 seconds. Another interesting thing, good old redneck * whipping worked pretty well. Two guys would get to grappling, and one guy would punch the other guy in the head 15 times. Now you would have one guy with a broken jaw, and the other with a broken hand, but the guy with the broken hand was still conscious. In the first 5 or 6 UFCs, the best was Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, which is wrestling with wrist locks and leg locks. Jiu Jitsu guys say that 95% of all fights go to ground eventually, so they practice on the ground and try to get the fight to the ground as soon as possible. In other words, a good jiu jitsu guy beats a good tae kwon do guy. But, I think tae kwon do is still very effective. On the street, your opponent doesn't know you are going to spin around and kick him in the face and he is not prepared to defend against a spinning hook kick.
Very important is simply having the will to fight and knowing how to punch and kick, and knowing where to strike an opponent. Our Shido Ryu instructor would tell us to observe the cat. He is always relaxed but always ready to fight. The 10 lb cat will fight a 90 lb dog and win. So, if a bully outweighs you by 50 lbs, that is not so much.
"Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
Edited by - allen griggs on 07/30/2002 09:40:43
Edited by - allen griggs on 07/30/2002 09:49:10
The biggest downfall with the ultimate fighting championship is that it had rules. Though not many, it did have them. When you get a crack head on the street who's trying to kill you with his bare hands, then there aren't any rules. All the rules you learned goes right out the door. Though you may be very experienced in a martial art, and an excellent tournament fighter, it only gives you a possible edge on the situation, it doesn't guarantee anything. I find that some of the most effecting on the ground fighting techniques are those that I never leared in any self defense class. Bite and gouge. Bite down on whatever you can as hard as you can, and gouge their eyeballs out. Stuff that they don't allow in UFC or any tournaments I've ever heard of, but in my experience is some of the most effective tactics I've ever used.
If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.
The sound of a 12 gauge pump clears a house fatser than Rosie O eats a Big Mac !
I like that, belt factories, ain't that the truth.
twins
(SELF DEFENSE)
End of the blackbelt at an early age falacy......
Also end of an instructor after I talked to him and expresed my POINT of opinion ,(He lost his licence) ,sometimes people think they may not be held responsible for what they teach a minor ,well the law is
verry clear in that ,for that reason I say no belt to minors until they reach manhood ,and stick purely to ethics and self-defense teach offence only as student demostrates ethics and maturity under stress .
JD
400 million cows can't be wrong ( EAT GRASS !!! )
What is more important to you - fighting abilities - self defense - or the discipline of the sport? MHO you can have the fighting abillities and still lose through lack of discipline. You can have the discipline but lose to strength. You do not lose your ability to extricate yourself from a potential attack if you have discipline first and training - what does a scumbag care if you have a blue, brown or black when you have just broken his knee outside the mall (and drove away - gee look at that guy - must have fallen down).
But "no belt to minors" just does not sound right - kinda like - you can't own a gun untill you are 18.
Only a FOOL uses the "I'm invincable, because of the color of my belt" theory
IF YOU DON'T LIKE MY RIGHTS - GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY (this includes politicians)
Edited by - BlueTic on 07/31/2002 16:11:49
"Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.
The sound of a 12 gauge pump clears a house fatser than Rosie O eats a Big Mac !
Then Bruce Lee came runnin` over there,like he
was gunna be able ta do somethin`.
So I told him if he wanted to just leave before I
kick the dog $h!+ out`a him too,it would be cool,and
I wouldn`t tell anybody how he walked oway with his
tail between his legs.So he agreed that that would be
in his best interest.Then I woke up,sweatin`,breathin`
real hard,and fearin` for my life.
.218
After learning jiu-jitsu from a Japanese master in the early 1900s, the Gracie family of Brazil (Carlos and Helio, in particular) revolutionized a system of fighting that is deemed by many to be the most complete and realistic self-defense system in the world.
Brazilian jiu-jitsu is characterized by its use of grappling to force a conflict to the ground, and then, using various arms locks and chokes, submitting an opponent. In addition, an emphasis is placed on gaining and maintaining advantageous positions in order to give the practitioner opportunities to strike or escape.
In alignment with its traditions, Brazilian jiu-jitsu is generally practiced while wearing a gi (uniform), though such practice does not limit the effectiveness of jiu-jitsu when used without a uniform.
Brasilian Jiu-Jitsu is the best form of self defense out there. There are a number of reasons why BJJ is superior to ALL other Martial Arts. Here is why.
This art is different from most other martial arts in that it is very realistic in its training. Here are some of the main reasons why it's different and why this art is so effective.
1.) We train with the assumption that our opponent will most likely be larger, stronger, and know how to fight. This is opposed to many martial arts which assume the attacker will not be skilled at fighting.
2.) We fight exactly the way we train. We practice our techniques exactly the way we do them in a fight. This is opposed to many martial arts styles which spend hours and hours practicing forms which scarcely resemble what the person's body will be doing in an actual fight.
3.) We test everything we do by spending a great deal of time sparring under varying conditions against people with different types of training and different body styles. We spar reallistically in our club (full contact) and have rarely had a serious injury. We also test our abilities in competitions (both tournament Jiu Jitsu and no rules). This is opposed to martial artists who say that it is too dangerous to spar or spar realistically. So they don't.
ALL Martial Arts that are "too deadly" to spar and train 100% dont work in a real fight. For the people that get into Martil Arts to exercise, I would advise you not to. If you want to get in shape and fast, but still want to be connected to Martial Arts, I would choose Boxing, or Kick Boxing. Followed by Brasilian Jiu-Jitsu, Judo, and Wrestling. Doing hours of forms will not get you into shape.
Now, to self defense. Do you want to trade strikes with somebody bigger and stronger than you? Even if you hit your opponent right on the chin, the fight will more than likely continue. Get the fight to the ground, where you have LEVERAGE. Brasilian Jiu-Jitsu addresses the most important part of REAL FIGHTING. BJJ teaches you how to take your opponent to the ground, and dominate, even if your opponent is much bigger. If you dont beleive me rent any Ultimate Fighting Championship of 1-5. Royce Gracie, Son of Helio Gracie, who is the founder of Brasilian Jiu-Jitsu, defeated men over a hundred pounds heavier than him. Somebody mentioned something about biting your attacker. Biting Royce Gracie, or any Brasilian Jiu-Jitsu Blue Belt, will only make your @$$ kicking that much more severe. Also, if you are in a fight on the street with some low life mugger, do you REALLY want to bite him? Think about, most of your low life muggers probably have some stuff that soap and water wont wash off if you know what I mean.
Brasilian Jiu-Jitsu is also very good for a women, mainly because it relies 100% on leverage and technique, not strength. If a women really wants to learn self defense, she should go find a Brasilian Jiu-Jitsu school. If she lives in Los Angeles, she should go to the Gracie Academy of Brasilian Jiu-Jitsu ( www.gracieacademy.com). If there is no BJJ school in your area, buy a tape called "Rapesafe" from the Gracie Academy at http://www.gracieacademy.com/store/home.html
Brasilian Jiu-Jitsu has been, and is still being tought to the navy seals, FBI, CIA, and numerous State and Local officials. And BJJ is now be adopted as the basic training for self defense in the army.
"Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
Speed, Power, and placement of strikes, only works against the weaker, and untrained. Speed and Power are about COMPLETELY USELESS, when you are in a fight and on the bottem. What happends in a street fight, two guys throw a punch or two, and CLINCH. Now, how are you going to hit somebody when you are in a clinch with them? Your not. Why do you think Boxing refs break the boxers when they get in a clinch? Because the goal of boxing is to knock your opponent out, and you cant KNOCK ANYBODY OUT from a CLINCH! I have seen top Kickboxers fight you average BJJ Blue Belt, and the Blue belt wins. A average BJJ Blue Belt, will beat any of your top strikers, boxers, I dont care. Put Mike Tyson in the ring with a decent blue belt, and the belt will win.
Once again, Speed and Power only work against the weaker. What happends if you get in a fight with a bodybuilder? Do you want to go POWER FOR POWER with him? Placement of strikes is okay if the person stands there and says, okay, hit me in the throat. But lets just assume here for a moment that the person is throwing strikes back at you, and like everybody does in a streetfight, clinch with you. Your not going to hit me in the throat, or take out a guy or whatever when I'm that close to you. Thats where most Martial Arts go wrong. They make a fight harder than it really is. Sure, a ridge hand strike to my wing pipe will hurt a lot, but am I just going to stand there and let you do it? No. You'll never catch a ridge hand or whatever to the throat if the person is moving. Sure, a spinning hook kick might take my head off, but am I going to stand there and let you get your perfect form? Nope. Youll never be able to use a spinning hook kick in a real fight. Thats where most martial arts go wrong and why BJJ prevales. Brasilian Jiu-Jitsu says "hey, this guy wants to knock me out. I dont want that. So I am going to clinch, take him down, mount him, and choke or whatever."
"Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
"Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
"Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
"Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
He has a good back ground in several of the striking arts. When he first started BJJ, I told him what many of you are telling him about real life fighting. The real fact is that if you went up against this young man you could get real dead.
The most important things, Are not things.
I dont think Royce is unbeatable. He has lost. But ya'll dont know that, mainly because yall are not into this sport as much as I am.
Varmit Hunter, thank you very much.
By the way, I have submitted guys that weigh 215 pounds of roided muscle, and in a real fight I would stand a much better chance of beating him with my Jiu-Jitsu than going for a kick in the go nads. Remember what I talked about? Yeah, kicking somebody in the nuts would hurt, but are they gonna stand there and let them do it?
Royces never fought Harold Howard, they were both in the ring, and Royce was dehydrated and couldnt fight, so they through in the towl. So they never fought.
I don't believe in "battle of the styles." People are always claiming one style is better than another, but thats a crock. Its all about experience, not technique. Sure technique helps, but no matter what technique you use, the most experienced fighter always wins, just a theory of mine, that so far, hasn't had an exception I've yet seen.
And then you get people who are always saying they are bad, and lalala. But the fact of the matter is THERE WILL ALWAYS BE SOMEONE BETTER.
Most of these organized arts are nothing more than SPORTS. Like baseball or soccer. And I've seen in person a person who thought they were big and bad, cause they had a third degree black belt in karate, get their rear kicked by a nobody punk on the street.
If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.
The sound of a 12 gauge pump clears a house fatser than Rosie O eats a Big Mac !
"Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
Edited by - allen griggs on 08/02/2002 01:26:33
Fred Simion is the finest man I have ever known......
The most important things, Are not things.
Edited by - varmit hunter on 08/02/2002 06:06:26