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quote:Originally posted by HAIRY
quote:Originally posted by dheffley
I don't care for Clinton, and Richard Clarke offers a one sided spin in his book because he has an axe to grind. But I will say this, I think Clinton could have and should have done more, but I think he did try as hard as his party would support him, and I think he's being honest that he wanted to and tried to kill Bin Laden. I also have seen him tell everyone, democrat and republican alike, that he had the same intelligence reports as Bush, and he too believed them to be accurate.
I can find 100 things to bash Clinton on, but I think he's being honest about this. I also think it's a right wing witch hunt on him so it can be used against Hilary in '08. My God! She has enough baggage on her own. No one needs to make up a spin or slant on her!
Just more dishonest partisian politics!
Thanks, dheffley, for the common sense attitude. Too bad others don't possess such.
And you do? [}:)][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1fan
as far as worst president goes, bush's term is not over yet, so he is still in the running
like it or not, we never got invaded by foreign terrorist while Clinton was in office
Um, what exactly are you smoking?
You ARE aware that there was a WTC bombing BEFORE 9/11, aren't you? Now, think very carefully... who was in office then? Was it... Ronald Reagan? No. Was it GHWB? No. Was it GWB? No. Nixon? No. Carter? No. Ford? No. Okay, let's think about this, who is left... ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm that's right, Clinton.
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1fan
did they destroy it?, did it kill 2,000+
Oh, so now it must be GWHB's fault, because Clinton was only in office a short period of time. Using your logic, 9/11 must be Clinton's fault. After all GWB was only in office a short time when it happened.
Six people died in that bombing. I'm sure that the family members of those six dead people didn't think it was a terrorist act. These people were killed because, you know, they were just going about their day-to-day business.
I'm sorry. You said that there was not a foreign terrorist invasion during Clinton's rule. I proved you wrong, and it took me a mere second to think of the situation. Now you want to argue how many Americans were killed? What a load of manure!
You are now the second member of a small but unfortunately growing list of people I will not debate because you're not intellectually honest with yourself or with the rest of us, and therefore not worth the time and/or effort involved.
quote:Oh, so now it must be GWHB's fault, because Clinton was only in office a short period of time. Using your logic, 9/11 must be Clinton's fault. After all GWB was only in office a short time when it happened.
There are a half dozen or so people rotting in jail for taking part in the first WTC bombing. They were captured, put on trial and convicted. We didn't invade a country that had nothing to do with that crime.
There are people within the intelligence bureacracy who failed both administrations.
quote:Originally posted by woodshermit
There are a half dozen or so people rotting in jail for taking part in the first WTC bombing. They were captured, put on trial and convicted. We didn't invade a country that had nothing to do with that crime.
and look at everything THAT did to stop the terrorists. Nothing EVER happened after that did it? Nope. Terrorism ended when those half dozen guys went to jail. I feel better. No reason to worry about anything now that that's over.
quote:Originally posted by HAIRY
quote:Originally posted by nyforester
Clinton was the worst President this country ever had. It will be the down fall of our nation if his wife gets into the White House !! If she wins, I am moving to Canada !!
Geez, if you think Clinton is the worst, are you blind to the carrying ons of George W. Bush? Please remove your head from that dark and smelly place where you have inserted it.
BTW, is that a promise to move?
I would say niether of these are the worst...I would give that designation to franklin rosevelt of abraham lincoln both were war mongers, george washington was a slave owning terrorist...and teddy roosevelt was a kook
jimmy carter has to be the least effective president ...except, gerald ford...I mean jeez he pardoned nixon...and what about nixon...he invented creep....kennedy was a playboy adulterer...johnson a paranoid freak
face it. anyone who wants to be president doesn't have much gong on upstairs
quote:Originally posted by Captplaid
We are in trouble if Senator Luger or some other democrat not Hillary) were to become President and brough Richard CLarke back to Warshington.
We all know Mrs. CLinton is not going to become President.
I think I could be comfortable if the guy from Indiana were to become a democrat President. I'm not saying I would vote for him, but I would accept him. (The American Leftist party will not accept anyone as a Republican President.)
You are aware that Sen. Lugar is a Republican, aren't you? Sen. Bayh is the younger Democrat from Indiana. Lugar is 74 and unlikely to seek higher office any longer.[:)]
Tax evasion is illegal, tax avoidance is an art form.
I would believe Conoleezza Rice before I would believe Clinton, Clark, or Hairy. See C&P below.
Trinity +++
September 26, 2006 -- Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice yesterday accused Bill Clinton of making "flatly false" claims that the Bush administration didn't lift a finger to stop terrorism before the 9/11 attacks. Rice hammered Clinton, who leveled his charges in a contentious weekend interview with Chris Wallace of Fox News Channel, for his claims that the Bush administration "did not try" to kill Osama bin Laden in the eight months they controlled the White House before the Sept. 11 attacks.
"The notion somehow for eight months the Bush administration sat there and didn't do that is just flatly false - and I think the 9/11 commission understood that," Rice said during a wide-ranging meeting with Post editors and reporters.
"What we did in the eight months was at least as aggressive as what the Clinton administration did in the preceding years," Rice added.
The secretary of state also sharply disputed Clinton's claim that he "left a comprehensive anti-terror strategy" for the incoming Bush team during the presidential transition in 2001.
"We were not left a comprehensive strategy to fight al Qaeda," Rice responded during the hourlong session.
Her strong rebuttal was the Bush administration's first response to Clinton's headline-grabbing interview on Fox on Sunday in which he launched into an over-the-top defense of his handling of terrorism - wagging his finger in the air, leaning forward in his chair and getting red-faced, and even attacking Wallace for improper questioning.
The "Fox News Sunday" show had its best ratings since the capture of Saddam Hussein in December 2003, according to Nielsen Media Research. Two versions of the interview were the two most-watched clips on YouTube yesterday, totaling more than 800,000 views.
After Clinton got angry during the questioning, Wallace said Clinton aide Jay Carson tried to get his producer to stop the interview. Carson said he was concerned that time was running out and that little of the philanthropy efforts of the former president had been addressed.
At The Post, Rice also touched on hot spots around the globe:
* On Iran: "There isn't a particularly good, direct way to neutralize the Iranian threat."
* On Iraq: "You're never going to have a just Sunni-Shia reconciliation if you don't have a political system in which the interests of all can be represented - and that's what Iraq represents."
* On Pakistan: "The future of Pakistan, as [President Pervez] Musharraf and his people fully understand, is to de-radicalize elements of the population."
* On the Middle East conflict: "It would help to have a moderate force in the Palestinian territories and to have the beginnings of rapprochement with Israel and the rest of its neighbors."
* On the Far East: "I would like to see an improvement in Japanese-China relations."
In her pointed rebuttal of Clinton's inflammatory claims about the war on terror, Rice maintained the Bush White House did the best it could to defend against an attack - and expanded on the tools and intelligence it inherited. "I would just suggest that you go back and read the 9/11 commission report on the efforts of the Bush administration in the eight months - things like working to get an armed Predator [drone] that actually turned out to be extraordinarily important," Rice added.
She also said Clinton's claims that Richard Clarke - the White House anti-terror guru hyped by Clinton as the country's "best guy" - had been demoted by Bush were bogus.
"Richard Clarke was the counterterrorism czar when 9/11 happened. And he left when he did not become deputy director of homeland security, some several months later," she said.
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quote:Originally posted by dheffley
I don't care for Clinton, and Richard Clarke offers a one sided spin in his book because he has an axe to grind. But I will say this, I think Clinton could have and should have done more, but I think he did try as hard as his party would support him, and I think he's being honest that he wanted to and tried to kill Bin Laden. I also have seen him tell everyone, democrat and republican alike, that he had the same intelligence reports as Bush, and he too believed them to be accurate.
I can find 100 things to bash Clinton on, but I think he's being honest about this. I also think it's a right wing witch hunt on him so it can be used against Hilary in '08. My God! She has enough baggage on her own. No one needs to make up a spin or slant on her!
Just more dishonest partisian politics!
Thanks, dheffley, for the common sense attitude. Too bad others don't possess such.
And you do? [}:)][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]
as far as worst president goes, bush's term is not over yet, so he is still in the running
like it or not, we never got invaded by foreign terrorist while Clinton was in office
Um, what exactly are you smoking?
You ARE aware that there was a WTC bombing BEFORE 9/11, aren't you? Now, think very carefully... who was in office then? Was it... Ronald Reagan? No. Was it GHWB? No. Was it GWB? No. Nixon? No. Carter? No. Ford? No. Okay, let's think about this, who is left... ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm that's right, Clinton.
it was one month after he took office, and was left a war to boot
Why in the H*ll did they put a BOMB in the basement!??? DUH![:o)][:o)][:o)]
did they destroy it?, did it kill 2,000+
Oh, so now it must be GWHB's fault, because Clinton was only in office a short period of time. Using your logic, 9/11 must be Clinton's fault. After all GWB was only in office a short time when it happened.
Six people died in that bombing. I'm sure that the family members of those six dead people didn't think it was a terrorist act. These people were killed because, you know, they were just going about their day-to-day business.
I'm sorry. You said that there was not a foreign terrorist invasion during Clinton's rule. I proved you wrong, and it took me a mere second to think of the situation. Now you want to argue how many Americans were killed? What a load of manure!
You are now the second member of a small but unfortunately growing list of people I will not debate because you're not intellectually honest with yourself or with the rest of us, and therefore not worth the time and/or effort involved.
Go take your seat next to <censored> please.
quote:Oh, so now it must be GWHB's fault, because Clinton was only in office a short period of time. Using your logic, 9/11 must be Clinton's fault. After all GWB was only in office a short time when it happened.
i have read that here about 9/11 more than once
There are people within the intelligence bureacracy who failed both administrations.
There are a half dozen or so people rotting in jail for taking part in the first WTC bombing. They were captured, put on trial and convicted. We didn't invade a country that had nothing to do with that crime.
and look at everything THAT did to stop the terrorists. Nothing EVER happened after that did it? Nope. Terrorism ended when those half dozen guys went to jail. I feel better. No reason to worry about anything now that that's over.
quote:Originally posted by nyforester
Clinton was the worst President this country ever had. It will be the down fall of our nation if his wife gets into the White House !! If she wins, I am moving to Canada !!
Geez, if you think Clinton is the worst, are you blind to the carrying ons of George W. Bush? Please remove your head from that dark and smelly place where you have inserted it.
BTW, is that a promise to move?
I would say niether of these are the worst...I would give that designation to franklin rosevelt of abraham lincoln both were war mongers, george washington was a slave owning terrorist...and teddy roosevelt was a kook
jimmy carter has to be the least effective president ...except, gerald ford...I mean jeez he pardoned nixon...and what about nixon...he invented creep....kennedy was a playboy adulterer...johnson a paranoid freak
face it. anyone who wants to be president doesn't have much gong on upstairs
We are in trouble if Senator Luger or some other democrat not Hillary) were to become President and brough Richard CLarke back to Warshington.
We all know Mrs. CLinton is not going to become President.
I think I could be comfortable if the guy from Indiana were to become a democrat President. I'm not saying I would vote for him, but I would accept him. (The American Leftist party will not accept anyone as a Republican President.)
You are aware that Sen. Lugar is a Republican, aren't you? Sen. Bayh is the younger Democrat from Indiana. Lugar is 74 and unlikely to seek higher office any longer.[:)]
Trinity +++
September 26, 2006 -- Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice yesterday accused Bill Clinton of making "flatly false" claims that the Bush administration didn't lift a finger to stop terrorism before the 9/11 attacks. Rice hammered Clinton, who leveled his charges in a contentious weekend interview with Chris Wallace of Fox News Channel, for his claims that the Bush administration "did not try" to kill Osama bin Laden in the eight months they controlled the White House before the Sept. 11 attacks.
"The notion somehow for eight months the Bush administration sat there and didn't do that is just flatly false - and I think the 9/11 commission understood that," Rice said during a wide-ranging meeting with Post editors and reporters.
"What we did in the eight months was at least as aggressive as what the Clinton administration did in the preceding years," Rice added.
The secretary of state also sharply disputed Clinton's claim that he "left a comprehensive anti-terror strategy" for the incoming Bush team during the presidential transition in 2001.
"We were not left a comprehensive strategy to fight al Qaeda," Rice responded during the hourlong session.
Her strong rebuttal was the Bush administration's first response to Clinton's headline-grabbing interview on Fox on Sunday in which he launched into an over-the-top defense of his handling of terrorism - wagging his finger in the air, leaning forward in his chair and getting red-faced, and even attacking Wallace for improper questioning.
The "Fox News Sunday" show had its best ratings since the capture of Saddam Hussein in December 2003, according to Nielsen Media Research. Two versions of the interview were the two most-watched clips on YouTube yesterday, totaling more than 800,000 views.
After Clinton got angry during the questioning, Wallace said Clinton aide Jay Carson tried to get his producer to stop the interview. Carson said he was concerned that time was running out and that little of the philanthropy efforts of the former president had been addressed.
At The Post, Rice also touched on hot spots around the globe:
* On Iran: "There isn't a particularly good, direct way to neutralize the Iranian threat."
* On Iraq: "You're never going to have a just Sunni-Shia reconciliation if you don't have a political system in which the interests of all can be represented - and that's what Iraq represents."
* On Pakistan: "The future of Pakistan, as [President Pervez] Musharraf and his people fully understand, is to de-radicalize elements of the population."
* On the Middle East conflict: "It would help to have a moderate force in the Palestinian territories and to have the beginnings of rapprochement with Israel and the rest of its neighbors."
* On the Far East: "I would like to see an improvement in Japanese-China relations."
In her pointed rebuttal of Clinton's inflammatory claims about the war on terror, Rice maintained the Bush White House did the best it could to defend against an attack - and expanded on the tools and intelligence it inherited. "I would just suggest that you go back and read the 9/11 commission report on the efforts of the Bush administration in the eight months - things like working to get an armed Predator [drone] that actually turned out to be extraordinarily important," Rice added.
She also said Clinton's claims that Richard Clarke - the White House anti-terror guru hyped by Clinton as the country's "best guy" - had been demoted by Bush were bogus.
"Richard Clarke was the counterterrorism czar when 9/11 happened. And he left when he did not become deputy director of homeland security, some several months later," she said.