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LEO jitters

idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
edited March 2002 in General Discussion
Does anyone else get the butterflies when they get pulled over even though they know that they were just speeding and, at the worst, will receive a mere citation?I got pulled over yesterday doing 65 in a 55 by Nebraska's finest. I got the butterflies. I did all the right things (kept my hands on the steering wheel, asked permission to go for my wallet which was in my briefcase in the back seat). However, I still felt jittery even though this is about the 10th time I've been pulled over in my life. Fortunately, I haven't received a single ticket except for two five-dollar parking tickets for letting the meter expire while running police checks on Army recruits. Does anyone else get this way? This is only about the second time where I have actually had the jitters. Weird.
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  • Big Sky RedneckBig Sky Redneck Member Posts: 19,752 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    everytime I get pulled over I start thinking about things I did when I was 16.
    If you want my guns you will have to kill me first. I was born free and to take that from me you better be ready to fight.
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  • k.stanonikk.stanonik Member Posts: 2,109 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I dont get the jitters, been pulled over a couple of times and only had a problem with the officers twice, both cases i asked for the shift commander to come to the location and every thing gets ironed out. Keep it honest and cooperative and there is not a problem, officer gets a attitude ask for his superiors and they usualy mellow out.
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  • njretcopnjretcop Member Posts: 7,975
    edited November -1
    It might interest you guys to know that there are times when the LEO also has jitters when he has stopped someone. So you see, it works both ways.I especially had that problem after one traffic stop (disregard of red signal) when I walked up to the drivers window, he pointed a gun at me, pulled the trigger and it mis-fired. He got 15 to 25 years, I got the rest of the night off to relax and clean my uniform trousers.
    It's the stuff dreams are made of AngelNRA Certified Firearms InstructorMember: GOA, RKBA, NJSPBA, NJ area rep for the 2ndAMPD. njretcop@copmail.com
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  • ED PED P Member Posts: 190 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Everytime I'm driving to the target range, eventhough I'm transporting everything in compliance with my states laws, when I see a cop, I look in the rear view mirror and pray the lights don't go on, because there's the potential for a police officer who doesn't know the laws as well as he should, ruining my day because of the stuff in my trunk.[This message has been edited by ED P (edited 02-15-2002).]
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  • IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Nice thing about rural NH, I was pulled over for speeding (legitimately) & when the Officer came up to the car, he could clearly see the rifles & pistol boxes on the back seat. "Going shooting?" "Yep, over at the F&G Club." OK, I'm just going to give you a warning (after the usual radio check)." I didn't even know the guy.
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  • ED PED P Member Posts: 190 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Iconoclast,Don't know how rural you're talking, but I'm actually a member of the Pelham Fish and Game club, sneaking over from Massachusetts.
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  • daddodaddo Member Posts: 3,408
    edited November -1
    Haven't been pulled over in over 20 years- quess it would shake me a bit though. Even though I know the Sheriff and Deputies.
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  • jetjet Member Posts: 543 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I got a speeding ticket 3 weeks ago,31 in a 25, used to be 35(when I was a kid)but then I did twice that on my dirt bike.the city moved out to encompesse the old neiborhood.yes I jitterd.
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  • timberbeasttimberbeast Member Posts: 1,738 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I usually don't sweat it, most of the guys (maybe 5, total) who have pulled me over have been very professional and polite. Still, I don't like to see those lights, especially if I have guns with me. Some places I go, I can't bring a handgun, and there is no CCW in my state.....
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  • jeenyesjeenyes Member Posts: 330 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Why is it when you do something that you do not know is wrong, the judge will say. ingorance of the law is no excuse. But when a dumb cop does something because he does not know the law, it's OK? Once I was stopped, I had a loudspeaker in my car, I told him I bought it and where. The jerk said he was taking it because it might be stolen, if there were no reports in a few days I could pick it up at the station. So they can take things even tho it's not reported stolen?And what about having a little to much money, then they say it's drug money and take it. But of course you can spend a few thousand to take them to court to get back a few thousand. My ex-girlfriends nephew said they wait by the interstate looking for out of state tags and stop them and look for large amounts of money, tell the owners it drug money and take it.And the attitude most have, they want a master-slave type relationship. I'm sure you have heard things over and over, and some of the cops here will say it's happens but it's rare. WELL no it's not, it's the norm. I know there are some really fine cops, most are country boys, who know guns and right from wrong. But then most are jerks who want you to bow down and kiss their butts when stopped. They are fat slobs or lazy, who can't hold a regular job, so they get a gun and a badge and get on a ego trip.If polite, I am polite, but when they demand to know where I am going, I simply tell them it's personal. If they keep on, I tell them it's none of their business. When they ask if they can search the car I tell them no, when they cop a attitude, then I do, and it all goes downhill from there.I know some cops here will say I am wrong, that I should obey the officer in all things and answer all questions, allow them to do whatever they want cause they are the cops, and while doing so, kiss the cops butt. I rest my case.
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  • smokinggunsmokinggun Member Posts: 590 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    One time I was out in the country and came around a curve and there was a state police road block. They were just checking for the usual. Just so happens one of the officers was a girl I used to date before she became a cop. We both recodnized each other but didn't say anything. Her partner (male) stood back and observed while she asked for drivers licsense and registration. I told her my wallet was on the seat next to my pistol. She said "Please step out of the car" so I did. She reached in and grabbed the gun and held it and then I took out my DL and reg. and showed it to her partner. Then she put the pistol back, winked at me and said "you can go now" so I did. They never paid much attention to the pistol. It seemed for some reason like she was in training and since she did'nt strike a conversation neither did I. I was a nervous wreck.
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  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Back when I was doing some acting, I was coming home from a performance at a dinner theater that was about 25 miles away via two lane. Around midnight. This car gets real close behind me. I figure it's some smartassso I go a bit faster to try to pull away. Car stays right on my tail. I mean RIGHT on my tail.We're now 10 mph over the speed limit and the lights and screamer come on. Gives me a ticket for speeding. My responses were "Yes, Sir" and No, Sir". I'm NEVER goping to even come close to giving a cop an attitude, at any time, much less on a deserted road in the dark. They tend to carry guns and if anything happened, it would be his word against that of a corpse. Did I mention that I hadn't taken time to take my make-up off before I started home? You gotta' KNOW what this cop thought he had when he shined his light in my face. Anyway, I really felt like this ways entrapment so I said something to a friend who was an inspector on this force. He said this cop was famous for doing that and that I should talk to his Captain. I did. He told me to say something to the Judge. I did. He told me there were other solutions to the situation that I could have taken. I asked him what those might be as I had to travel that road 5 nights a week at about the same time. He suggested I pull over and let the car pass. I asked him if he would be willing to pull over on that deserted road at midnight with someone behind you whose intentions you weren't sure of. He said that what he would do was irrelevant and that would be $50 and costs.To answer the question...no I wasn't nervous, just pi$$ed.I RESPECT the law and therefore those who enforce it. My trust has to be earned and has been earned by damn few. Sorry....seen too many strutting egotists with guns in my 66 years. Far too many are of the "what good's a little power if you can't abuse it" persuasion.Mudge the cynic
    I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!
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  • IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    First off, Charlie - this is the first time in my life I've been glad of a misfire.Second, EdP - I'm about 2 hours north of Pelham, almost at the point where it's still the 'real' NH instead of Bahston bedroom communities / vacation villages.Last, let me say, unequivocably, to dano, nunn and their brethren, I am deeply grateful that you are idealistic / dedicated / whatever enough to risk your lives on a daily basis to protect the lives & property of the rest of us. You have some real a***h***s among you, for sure, but I have nothing but the highest appreciation and respect for the profession. I jumped down the throat of a local officer when I came to pick up my CCW & found him w/o a vest because he was trying to save the town some money. As soon as I came home I was on the phone to the Chairmen of the Selectmen demanding they *order* him to buy it immediately. You guys never know what will happen when you stop a vehicle. We've lost three officers in NH in recent years to scumbags who opened fire in traffic stops in sleepy little towns such as where I live. I wouldn't take that risk; thank God there are good men & women such as yourselves who have more courage than I.
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  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    Let me be specific:I dont believe there are more jerks in the LEO profession than any other profession.But because they have such an enormous amount of power, as opposed to if say, a Burger King worker, the jerks have a much greater capacity to cause suffering and bad feelings towards the LEO profession.This goes for the BATF and FBI too.If a Burger King worker cops an attitude, you'll end up with a lousy sandwich. If a cop cops an attitude, you'll end up with a shotgun barrel in your mouth or in the box position face down in the trunk of a police cruiser.
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I didn't intend for this thread to be about bashing cops. Sorry it turned out that way. Oh well. Live and learn. I haven't met a bad cop yet.
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  • GunHawkeGunHawke Member Posts: 576 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    To idsman57...I don't think this thread went so bad! By the way, I get butterflies when the flashing red & blues are around and I'm a retired LEO.I expected some LEO bashing, and for that I wish I had an iron clad comeback (Nunn comes closest). I carry the damage of 10-on duty ijuries and I'd like to say it was worth it...but when I read some of the venom laced threads here I get slapped in the face back to reality....My 2 cents.
    "They blink an eye or draw a breath before they pull a trigger. I won't!" J.B. Books
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  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    Let me be more specific.There are many more good cops than bad ones. As a matter of fact, you'd have to look around pretty hard to find a bad cop in a lot of places.But the issue I was referring to was that the bad cops that DO exist have a huge capacity to make trouble, as opposed to bad members of any other profession.
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  • sandman2234sandman2234 Member Posts: 894 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think that there are more people with attitudes on my side of the fence, than on the side with the LEO's. Have you ever had to deal with the public to try to make them do something they didn't want to do, or to tell them they did something wrong? Especially if they don't realize what they are doing is wrong. (like rolling thru a stop sign on a right hand turn...) I have had more than my share of tickets.Got really close to becoming a "habitual offender" for speeding tickets in my younger days. Keep it curtious, honest, and treat them like you want to be treated. '73 Dodge Charger,440 magnum, had a car come running up behind me real close. I was at speed limit. Stuck my foot in it for a couple seconds to get around the car I was next to, then changed lanes and took my foot off the gas.Blue, Blue, Blue...and I got sick. Was one of the few times I drove the car while under a years suspension of my license. Got out, told the policeman,"That's what I get for trying to get out of somebody's way". He told me to be careful and let me go. (never checked my license) Went back to driving my Moped.
    Have Gun, will travel
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  • SUBMARINERSUBMARINER Member Posts: 1,362 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I DRIVE A TRRUCK SO DEALING WITH THE COPS IS AN OCCUPATIONAL HAZARD.BETWEEN ROADSIDE DOT INSPECTIONS,GETTING PULLED INTO THE SCALES BECAUSE BARNEY DOESNT LIKE THE REDLIGHT IN MY BUNK THAT ILLUMINATES THE CHROME ON MY DASHBOARD,GETTING PULLED OVER ON 95 CAUSE HE NEEDED TO WRITE A TICKET FOR SOMETHING...ETC..ETC..IVE HAD ENOUGH EXPERIENCE WITH THE LAW TO KNOW THAT THE WORST THEY CAN DO IS TAKE YOU TO JAIL AND IF THEY DO THEY GOTTA FEED YOU!I LOOK AT IT THIS WAY THE LIGHTS ARE A SIGNAL THAT THE STATE NEEDS MONEY,THE QUESTION IS:HOW MUCH OF MY MONEY IS IT GONNA TAKE TO GET HIM TO TURN THOSE LIGHTS OFF
    SUBMARINE SAILOR,TRUCK DRIVER,NE'ER DO WELL, INSTIGATOR,AND RUSTY WALLACE FAN
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  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,078 ******
    edited November -1
    Hey jeenyes:That was quite a suggestion. Maybe if it works in your area, it will work here.Instead of putting motivated applicants through a long and rigorous hiring process, maybe we should just go down to the unemployment office and ask for a list of folks who can't keep a regular job, and give them a badge and a gun.Now, if you REALLY think that happens, anywhere in this country, I have some land to sell you.
    Certified SIG pistol armorer/FFL Dealer/Full time Peace Officer, Moderator of the General Discussion Board on Gunbroker. Visit www.gunbroker.com, the premier gun auction site on the Net! Email davidnunn@texoma.net Jesus is Lord!
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  • SUBMARINERSUBMARINER Member Posts: 1,362 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I SHOULD CLARIFY MYSELF LEST I INCUR THE INDIGNITY AND RAGE OF DANO,NUNN OR ANYONE ELSE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.IM NOT ALWAYS INNOCENT BUT I SEEM TO GET HARRASSED ALOT MORE THAN GETTING STOPPED WHEN IM ACTUALLY BREAKING THE LAW WALT
    SUBMARINE SAILOR,TRUCK DRIVER,NE'ER DO WELL, INSTIGATOR,AND RUSTY WALLACE FAN
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  • john wjohn w Member Posts: 4,104
    edited November -1
    With so many new young agressive cops coming onto the forces and the old good common cops retireing you would have to be wearing iron underware not to get nervous. The police have too many powers given to them because they whine they are not safe because of this or that and the judges who are not appointed by us the citizens give them more and more power. Some abuse them badly and think hey im the cops and i can do damn near anything i want and get away with it. Not all police are crappy just some of them as their are some decent ones out there( you know who you are).Common sense and being a decent cop was all that was needed before we became a police state. As for the cops whining they are scared (You get paid and chose to do the job of being a police officer so quit whining about it ).OK i cinched up my jockstrap now let ER fly.[This message has been edited by john w (edited 02-18-2002).]
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  • john wjohn w Member Posts: 4,104
    edited November -1
    MUDGE you should have JAMMED the brakes on and let him rear end you and let him explain that to his commanders.He is to be at assured clear distance also just like john Q citizen.
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  • SNIPER1048SNIPER1048 Member Posts: 144 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    THEY NEVER CONSIDER THE RESULT OF THEIR ACTIONS. THEY BEAT UP SOME DRUNK THAT WOULDN'T STOP HIS CAR AND 2 YEARS LATER THERE IS 300 MILLON IN PROPERTY DAMAGE AND 67 INNOCENT PEOPLE DEAD, 300 MORE INJURED. BUT WE HAVE TO TEACH THESE PEOPLE A LESSON,"DON'T RUN FROM THE POLICE" RIGHT!
    "START THE BALL ROLLING THERE, TECTOR"
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  • edharoldedharold Member Posts: 465 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've received about 35 speeding tickets in the last 30 years, in both the US and Canada. I haven't got one I didn't deserve and I did not receive an "attitude" from any of the officers. My only complaint is with the insurance companies.
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  • thesupermonkeythesupermonkey Member Posts: 3,905 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Can you really complain about the insurance companies knowing the way you drive?
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  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,078 ******
    edited November -1
    Don't worry about my indignity. In the past quarter century or so I have become accustomed to those who know how to do my job better than I do. I just can't figure out why I never run into these folks at any classes I must attend.
    Certified SIG pistol armorer/FFL Dealer/Full time Peace Officer, Moderator of the General Discussion Board on Gunbroker. Visit www.gunbroker.com, the premier gun auction site on the Net! Email davidnunn@texoma.net Jesus is Lord!
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    nunn--Amen to that.How about "john w. citizen"?yuk yuk yuk
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  • buddybbuddyb Member Posts: 5,369 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    How about the ones who pull you over and you're older than their dad (or grand dad)?
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm a 26-year-old whipper-snapper who is still a little wet behind the ears at times. I got pulled over last fall for doing 6mph over the limit by some small-town cop near Spirit Lake, IA. He ran my tags and walked up to my vehicle. He couldn't have been a day over 20 years old. It floored me.
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  • john wjohn w Member Posts: 4,104
    edited November -1
    Nunn---Did you ever run into Idsman75 at any of your classes???. Maybe people do not want to attend the same clases as you and idsman75.Make sure your * brake lights are working as some of the as%kissers might rear end you.You are most likely an ok cop but i must take my oppinions from what people write and in real life how they act as you must of mine. Sorry if this offendes you as it is not aimed directly at you but the offending brethren who think they are better than the good citizen.---POOF now where did i go. This subject soon to be locked.[This message has been edited by john w (edited 02-18-2002).]
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't know how nunn's classes and I suddenly became associated. Oh well. It's late, I'm tired and I won't try to figure it out. I will say this much though. While working as an investigator on a military installation I had the extreme displeasure of dealing with crusty old Sergeants Major and First Sergeants who thought they knew my job better than I did. An incident occurs in their barracks and they want me to investigate it. They want me to use gestapo-style tactics with their soldiers to get to the bottom of things before dawn breaks. It just never dawned on them that, in spite of the fact that they are in the military, the soldiers in question actually had legal rights that I had to respect. Due process actually does occur in the military (albeit rather curtailed at times). Anyhow, were you implying that I was kissing nunn's *? I wasn't. I was merely empathizing with the thoughts that he expressed because those same thoughts have gone through my mind over and over again.
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  • k.stanonikk.stanonik Member Posts: 2,109 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Some of my best friends are cops, The men and women who are out there doing a job that most deserve our respect until shown other wise. I have had this same discussion with officers that think they are better than everyone else and from what i have seen is this, You dont like how you were treated , talk to their superiors and file a complaint, but you also have to beleive that the honest ones will help the bad ones find away to either straighten out their act or help them out the door. Nunn you and the rest off your colleagues on this board strike me as men who remember when you go th work each day that you eat, sleep, and get dressed every day just like me, and thank you for doing your job.
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  • TrinityScrimshawTrinityScrimshaw Member Posts: 9,350 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Oh how I remeber the time I got the jetters when stopped by the Police.It was Friday December 7th 1977, at about 2:00 AM in the morning on Highway 290 just West of Houston Texas.At the time I was an MP stationed at Fort Hood Texas, and I was going home to Houston on a weekend pass. I owned a hopped up Honda CB 750, that in no way shape or form was stock. All my money went into that bike back then, and man could it move. I had been driving about three & half hours, and I wanted to kind of air the bike out so to speak. I had just drove through the little town of Hempstead TX, and I noticed a Texas Highway Patrol vehicle on a traffic stop. Once I went by them and got a few miles down the road, I figured that there wouldn't be another DPS patrol around for quite a few miles, so I sped up. I'm laying down on the gas tank doing about 130 MPH, it's cold, dark, and I had a dark shield on my helmet to stop the bugs. They kind of hurt at 100+ mph when they hit you in the face. After a few miles down the road I thought I saw a flashing light all around me, and I looked back behind me to see the hood of a black & white DPS patrol vehicle about three feet off my rear tire & fender. He was doing every bit of the speed I was doing, and had been doing it for some time. He was playing with me, he knew I didn't know he was there. Once I did, I pulled over to the right lane and started slowing down. I pulled over to the side of the road, stopped, and was just starting to shut off the bike, when I heard him say "You better turn that Son of a $^%(^%# off BOY!" I did, and when I turned to look back at the patrol vehicle I saw both doors open, and there were two Troopers crouched behind them with their guns drawn, and pointed right at me. The driver then stated "You had better get your * off that bike BOY". I did, with my hands up, and he had me walk back to his vehicle and place them on his hood, which by the way was very HOT! He asked me if I knew what the lights on the top of his patrol car were for, and I told him yes I did, and that I too use them when I am working. He asked me what I did for a living, and I told him I was an MP at Fort Hood. He then said "You sure the hell don't act like one. Get your hands back on that hood BOY!" I did, he grinned a bit, and asked me how fast I thought I was doing, and I told him I knew, did he? He said that his speedometer only went to 85 MPH, and I had doubled out his radar, so he knew I was over 100. He gave me a break and wrote me for doing 80 in a 55. I paid the $65 fine (cheap back then) as quick as I could, and sold that bike the first chance I got. Looking down the barrels of those two guns was not a fun thing. They looked like cannons aimed at me.I guess I got less then what I deserved.Trinity+++
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  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    BullS**t, trinity-scrimshaw.Any time a cop yanks out his gun these days, he damn well better have justification for it!A CCW carrier isnt allowed to pull out his gun for emphasis in an argument. So why is a cop allowed to?I refuse to believe some kid on a motorcycle going a little too fast is enough of a threat in and of itself for the cops to draw their guns.They were wrong. Very, very wrong.
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  • William81William81 Member Posts: 25,342 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Man, I wish I was 18 again and knew everything about everything. I would be real quick to jump in and show people my extreme lack of life experience and I wouldsecond guess every decision I could about situations I did not observe myself....
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  • simonbssimonbs Member Posts: 994 ✭
    edited November -1
    Bullz, look at the date of the occurance.
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  • twinstwins Member Posts: 647 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yeah look at the dates and tell me what the hell that has to do with anything, except back then you were expected to keep your mouth shut. If someone is going to call me boy it had better be my dad. Since he died that won't happen. Sounds like that cop should have lost his job and been brought up on a number of charges. If he would have hit your rear tire you would be dead.
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  • TrinityScrimshawTrinityScrimshaw Member Posts: 9,350 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    As Jesus Christ is my witness, and Savior, my above posting is as true a story as I have ever told. I'm not one who is prone to B.S. Ask Idsman75, he knows me betetr than anyone else on this board. It's safe to say we have gone a long ways in the area of Law Enforcement, and how we handle people. There are a few things you have to consider about this situation. It happened in South East Texas in Dec 1977. This was not anything out of the norm for Police conduct there back then, and still isn't in some regards. That was not the first time while growing up there that myself or friends had guns pulled on them by the Police. I didn't hold anything against those Troopers then, nor do I now. I figured I was wrong, and got my just deserts. I didn't want to get shot over it, and they would have had to explain that one if they had. It would have been called in as a pursuit gone bad, or a gun would have found it's way to my body. Which ever, it would have been explained away, and covered up.Does anyone here remeber the case of the young man that was shot in Houston for driving a stolen car around this same time frame? It was a made for T/V movie. The gun found on the body was reported last seen in the Houston PD evidence room, and some how found it's way on this young man.I had also been running fast on this bike for a few miles, and I had not slowed down, even with the DPS car on my tail. Think of it from their point of view, was I running? Had I stole the bike I was riding on? (Something they could have shot me for back then!). They could only figure I was up to no good, and wanted to get the jump on what ever the situation was, and be able to defend themselfs if they needed to.As for being called "BOY", back then, and in that area of Texas, it was more a term of endearment, then an insult. Everyone was a "BOY", "Good Ol BOY", or "BOY let tell ya what!" I took no offense to it, and I wouldn't today ether if I was spoken to in this manner. That's my two cents worth and then some!Trinity+++
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  • simonbssimonbs Member Posts: 994 ✭
    edited November -1
    Twins,What the hell it has to do with anything is that times are way different now than they were then. LEOs could get away with things then that they could not do now.And as far as someone calling me "Boy" - they had two .357s or .38s pointed at him, I'm sure that what they called him was of little concern to him at the time. At least I wouldn't worry about it at that moment.
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