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When i was a kid
dav1965
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I recall back in 1968 or so? when original " planet of the apes"came out feeling a bit prophetic and worrying over the possibilities. NOW with all this, its manifesting with each and every day to be more of a truth than fiction; scary, and truth is moochelle even today actually LOOKS like one of the main characters![:D]
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When I was a kid, we were always tinkering in the basement or garage. Fixing something or building something.
I remember the first time my dad said, "hey, hand me that buzzard file"!! My jaw about hit the ground! I had no idea at that young age that's what it really is!!!! I couldn't use the buzzard file or talk about the buzzard file enough!!!!!!
And even on GB we can't seem to call a file by it's proper name!!!![;)]
Then I learned we needed to "Retard the spark"!!
As a child of the 60's "Retard" was a no no to say!!
But hey, it's too far advanced, let's retard it again and again!!!
Of course we had a lawn mower, that we were convinced you had to call it a SUV-A-NA-* to get it to start!!
I know there are more, but those are some favorites that come to mind at the moment....
The joy's of childhood growing up with a good Dad......[:D]
I could only buy shotgun, 22lr and 30-30. At the time that was all the guns i had. Now they are suspending kids for less.
Donnel was black. He was the only black person in my neighborhood. I never ever thought about his colour. We were together from sunup to sundown every day for years.
I never knew about a thing called prejudiced. We were friends until we both left for the military. We are still friends now.
He was a good person then and a good person now.
I do agree that kids today are under-disciplined and disrespectful, but I was spanked as a kid. Never in excess. But even then; I was resentful that I was spanked. I KNEW I had done wrong before the spanking, and my own sense of guilt and regret was worse than any pain could be; and I felt that, in so far as I understood my mistake if simply explained to me, spanking was just a way for dad to make me mad.
In fact, every time I got spanked, I wanted revenge. I didn't care if I got caught and spanked more, or if it was compounding my earlier ethical transgression. Whereas that was a mistake or a momentary lapse, now it was personal.
A few of my 'vengeance' moves as I recall:
-When I was really little, I spit in dad's coffee when he wasn't looking. Purile, but satisfying to a 4 year old.
-Throwing car keys down the sewer.
-Punching dad in the kidneys when I was 13, right after he finished spanking me. That was the last time he spanked me. I think he realized I was getting old enough that he could no longer be sure he'd win. The smaller ones I feel a little guilty and nostalgic about all at once, this is the one I really regret to this day. But by the logic of 'spare the rod spoil the child' he should have hit me even harder for that; yet my guilt over the last 20 years has been worse than any punishment he could have meted out.
Teaching respect is about proper upbringing, which may or may not include corporal punishment; however corporal punishment does not in and of itself insure good manners and so on. You teach well, and indoctrinate respect, your child's own sense of right and wrong will be compass-true.
I have to disagree.
I do agree that kids today are under-disciplined and disrespectful, but I was spanked as a kid. Never in excess. But even then; I was resentful that I was spanked. I KNEW I had done wrong before the spanking, and my own sense of guilt and regret was worse than any pain could be; and I felt that, in so far as I understood my mistake if simply explained to me, spanking was just a way for dad to make me mad.
In fact, every time I got spanked, I wanted revenge. I didn't care if I got caught and spanked more, or if it was compounding my earlier ethical transgression. Whereas that was a mistake or a momentary lapse, now it was personal.
A few of my 'vengeance' moves as I recall:
-When I was really little, I spit in dad's coffee when he wasn't looking. Purile, but satisfying to a 4 year old.
-Throwing car keys down the sewer.
-Punching dad in the kidneys when I was 13, right after he finished spanking me. That was the last time he spanked me. I think he realized I was getting old enough that he could no longer be sure he'd win. The smaller ones I feel a little guilty and nostalgic about all at once, this is the one I really regret to this day. But by the logic of 'spare the rod spoil the child' he should have hit me even harder for that; yet my guilt over the last 20 years has been worse than any punishment he could have meted out.
Teaching respect is about proper upbringing, which may or may not include corporal punishment; however corporal punishment does not in and of itself insure good manners and so on. You teach well, and indoctrinate respect, your child's own sense of right and wrong will be compass-true.
My parents were immigrants, my father was German, and a WWI German Army veteran. My mother Polish. We did not use English in my house until I was about 10 years old. If I even thought about doing the things you said you did, I would not be in one piece-or even alive-today!
I raised 3 boys, and they got spanked when they needed it. If they dared look resentful at their mother or me during or after punishment, they got an extra dose!
Today, one is a college professor, one is a graduate civil engineer, and the third, now deceased, was a Marine Corps Officer. All of which became possible due to proper familial discipline.
We were spanked on the spot, and if we had to be spanked at school or someone elses house, we were spanked again as soon as we got home.
And then some.[:D]
If i did something wrong at someones house i would get spanked there. They would call my parents and i would get one when i went home. I have spanked my kids before but i have never bruised them. They do turn red though. My oldest is 26 and she is still respectful around me. They all know to use there manners. Now days its crazy and going to only get worse.[:(]
Yep.
If I even thought about doing the things you said you did, I would not be in one piece-or even alive-today!Exactly, If I had EVER raised a hand to my father or mother, I would not be here to type this. I deserved every * beating I ever got.
I used to support it, but after raising my own kids, I no long do. I never had to spank my kids and they turned out great. Both are successful college graduates and employed as respected professionals. Of course, I don't count a single swat to the behind of a misbehaving toddler to get their attention as spanking. I'm talking about turning them over your knee or across the bed and hitting them multiple times with your hand or an object. I can relate to the resentful feelings towards spanking parents. My dad spanked me once with a wooden board he had carved into a big paddle, and twice whipped with a leather belt. Each involved about 10 hits. All it did was make me really mad, resentful, and wanting to get revenge. I realize that all kids are different, but I think a good parent can raise their kids well without resorting to hitting them physically. Having to beat your kids is an admission of defeat that you haven't been able to motivate them with better means. I hear many claims "I was beat regularly and turned out alright so I beat my own kids." I don't buy the logic. If you turned out alright, you WOULDN'T have to resort to beating your kids. You would be able to motivate them in other ways. All you learned from the beatings was that it was the last resort of a frustrated parent and now you inflict that on your own kids. I SO strongly resented being physically hit by my dad that I carried that grudge to his dying day. I still loved him, but I lost a LOT of respect for him for doing that. The only thing that softened the resentment was my realization that he was simply a product of his own upbringing, being whupped. I determined that I would not do that to my own. I never tolerated misbehavior and was a strict parent and made them toe the line. But, I achieved that without having to whip them. It's work, but it can be done. The results of having kids that respect and obey you without resenting or fearing you, are worth the extra work. [:)]
You and jonk must have been "Love tapped".
When my Dad yanked off his belt, his gun, handcuffs, radio ect...hit the floor, and we knew that it was going to be bad...and it was! (Single father raising four boys).
That belt was 9ft. long, 6ft. wide, and had spikes at the end!
I too deserved every woopin that I got...well, almost! There were times that I got it because of what my older brothers did, but I chalked it up to the things that I didn't get caught doing!
The ONLY time that I have ever yelled at my Dad was about 3 weeks before he died. we were arguing about some episode on COPS on whether or not the Cop had done right or wrong. I through my hands up in discust and he ducked! That about killed me with him thinking that I would ever lay a hand on him.
Jonk...I would love to meet up with you and finish what your poor week Father couldn't! I guess he must have loved you to much to spank your little tushy hard enough to make a difference! And you were to dumb to ever catch on [:(!]
then after all the spanking was done, i had to write them an aplogy for taking up there time to displine me.
Oh man that was rough... I never had to go THAT far... [:0]
quote:Originally posted by evileye fleagal
then after all the spanking was done, i had to write them an aplogy for taking up there time to displine me.
Oh man that was rough... I never had to go THAT far... [:0]
I forgot about that! I guess I should have got one extra so I would have remembered [;)]
What in hell is a spanking??
Does it hurt??
[?]barto[?]
I got it a number of times.
Probably twice with a belt,....grand-mother got we with a 'switch' once also.[:D]
The worst, and last was the only time my grand-father ever laid a hand on me. I was about 10, and said something that was not respectful concerning my mother.
He became rightfully livid, and took an old wooden racquetball paddle. I really got it good shall we say.
After the little boy tears stopped, instead of feeling hatred, I went and got in his lap, and told him I loved him.
He hugged me, and told me how it hurt him to do what he did, but it was for my own good.
He passed away not many years after that, and all I ever had in my heart for that man was love. I still do to this day.
Spanking is just legal child abuse. White trash loves it. As for the OP, your daughter isn't respectful of you...she is scared of you and the past abuse you put her through. Great parenting.
Part of getting spanked as a kid, was to teach them that if they walked up to a tougher kid and shot their mouth off, there would be pain!
I'm willing to bet that if you as a kid got a grass stain on your pure white clothes, you had to instantly come in take a bubble bath and put on clean ones!
I was only allowed to Breastfeed until I was old enough to chew, how about you [:D]
Parents never spanked any of us. All four of us were respectful, and grew up to be very successful. Wife and I have never spanked our sons. Oldest one is on full academic scholarship to ASU, majoring in Biology. He is in his second year, with a 4.0 GPA. Younger one has a high school GPA of 3.9, he will be on academic scholarship also. Neither one has ever been in any type of trouble at school, with the cops, into drugs, etc.
Spanking is just legal child abuse. White trash loves it. As for the OP, your daughter isn't respectful of you...she is scared of you and the past abuse you put her through. Great parenting.
I can tell you for certain that if you called any of my family members 'white trash' to my face, you would not walk away looking the same as when you started to speak.
You are one of the most pompous jerks I have ever heard on this board, and that's saying a lot.
Funny that I had a 4.0 GPA in HS, never got involved with drugs, and never had problems with the police either, and I was 'abused' as you put it.
I don't think it's for their own good.
If you can't think of a better way to teach a kid a lesson or show that there are consequences, then I don't think you're giving it much thought.
If your kid can't figure out that if he mouthed off to an older kid, and that older kid could stomp him, then he deserves to get beaten, BY THE OLDER KID. That is the lesson, not your parent's smacking it into you.
How many of you told your kids (myself included) that no one is allowed to hit you? And if someone hits you, hit them back? Does that rule not apply to a parent hitting the kid?
How many of you wrote here that when you were old enough to hit back, your parents stopped hitting you? Tells me that the decision was made because now there would be consequencs for the parent.
We all try to process the BS our parents put us through, whehter they thought it was a good idea at the time or not, but sometimes you have to call BS on the BS.[xx(]
M1Uhappy, "Spanking is just legal child abuse. White trash loves it".
Part of getting spanked as a kid, was to teach them that if they walked up to a tougher kid and shot their mouth off, there would be pain!
I'm willing to bet that if you as a kid got a grass stain on your pure white clothes, you had to instantly come in take a bubble bath and put on clean ones!
I was only allowed to Breastfeed until I was old enough to chew, how about you [:D]
So you gave the kid pain, to teach them they MIGHT get pain in the future. Yea, that makes a lot of sense. As for your dirt remark, I grew up on a dairy farm. I'd be willing to bet I did a lot more work as a kid than you ever did.
quote:Originally posted by andrewsw16
I used to support it, but after raising my own kids, I no long do. I never had to spank my kids and they turned out great. Both are successful college graduates and employed as respected professionals. Of course, I don't count a single swat to the behind of a misbehaving toddler to get their attention as spanking. I'm talking about turning them over your knee or across the bed and hitting them multiple times with your hand or an object. I can relate to the resentful feelings towards spanking parents. My dad spanked me once with a wooden board he had carved into a big paddle, and twice whipped with a leather belt. Each involved about 10 hits. All it did was make me really mad, resentful, and wanting to get revenge. I realize that all kids are different, but I think a good parent can raise their kids well without resorting to hitting them physically. Having to beat your kids is an admission of defeat that you haven't been able to motivate them with better means. I hear many claims "I was beat regularly and turned out alright so I beat my own kids." I don't buy the logic. If you turned out alright, you WOULDN'T have to resort to beating your kids. You would be able to motivate them in other ways. All you learned from the beatings was that it was the last resort of a frustrated parent and now you inflict that on your own kids. I SO strongly resented being physically hit by my dad that I carried that grudge to his dying day. I still loved him, but I lost a LOT of respect for him for doing that. The only thing that softened the resentment was my realization that he was simply a product of his own upbringing, being whupped. I determined that I would not do that to my own. I never tolerated misbehavior and was a strict parent and made them toe the line. But, I achieved that without having to whip them. It's work, but it can be done. The results of having kids that respect and obey you without resenting or fearing you, are worth the extra work. [:)]
You and jonk must have been "Love tapped".
When my Dad yanked off his belt, his gun, handcuffs, radio ect...hit the floor, and we knew that it was going to be bad...and it was! (Single father raising four boys).
That belt was 9ft. long, 6ft. wide, and had spikes at the end!
I too deserved every woopin that I got...well, almost! There were times that I got it because of what my older brothers did, but I chalked it up to the things that I didn't get caught doing!
The ONLY time that I have ever yelled at my Dad was about 3 weeks before he died. we were arguing about some episode on COPS on whether or not the Cop had done right or wrong. I through my hands up in discust and he ducked! That about killed me with him thinking that I would ever lay a hand on him.
Jonk...I would love to meet up with you and finish what your poor week Father couldn't! I guess he must have loved you to much to spank your little tushy hard enough to make a difference! And you were to dumb to ever catch on [:(!]
Cop beating his kids. Pathetic.
Parents never spanked any of us. All four of us were respectful, and grew up to be very successful. Wife and I have never spanked our sons. Oldest one is on full academic scholarship to ASU, majoring in Biology. He is in his second year, with a 4.0 GPA. Younger one has a high school GPA of 3.9, he will be on academic scholarship also. Neither one has ever been in any type of trouble at school, with the cops, into drugs, etc.
Spanking is just legal child abuse. White trash loves it. As for the OP, your daughter isn't respectful of you...she is scared of you and the past abuse you put her through. Great parenting.
You sure like to pat yourself on the back. You also seem to have all the answers. Folks that portray themselves like you do sure show their * all the time.
If they are in today's suburban public schools, all a high GPA shows is that the kids have psyched out how to suck up to their teachers!
How much does anyone want to bet that they have never done an honest days work in their lives?:
If i did something wrong at someones house i would get spanked there. They would call my parents and i would get one when i went home. I have spanked my kids before but i have never bruised them. They do turn red though. My oldest is 26 and she is still respectful around me. They all know to use there manners. Now days its crazy and going to only get worse.[:(]
Not too sure about spanking a 26 year old daughter.
How red did she turn?
Brad Steele
Parents never spanked any of us. All four of us were respectful, and grew up to be very successful. Wife and I have never spanked our sons. Oldest one is on full academic scholarship to ASU, majoring in Biology. He is in his second year, with a 4.0 GPA. Younger one has a high school GPA of 3.9, he will be on academic scholarship also. Neither one has ever been in any type of trouble at school, with the cops, into drugs, etc.
Spanking is just legal child abuse. White trash loves it. As for the OP, your daughter isn't respectful of you...she is scared of you and the past abuse you put her through. Great parenting.
Well, spanking is done to drive out those behaviours. If that is not needed it's not done. Shocking that you missed that point.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
quote:Originally posted by m1aguy
Parents never spanked any of us. All four of us were respectful, and grew up to be very successful. Wife and I have never spanked our sons. Oldest one is on full academic scholarship to ASU, majoring in Biology. He is in his second year, with a 4.0 GPA. Younger one has a high school GPA of 3.9, he will be on academic scholarship also. Neither one has ever been in any type of trouble at school, with the cops, into drugs, etc.
Spanking is just legal child abuse. White trash loves it. As for the OP, your daughter isn't respectful of you...she is scared of you and the past abuse you put her through. Great parenting.
I can tell you for certain that if you called any of my family members 'white trash' to my face, you would not walk away looking the same as when you started to speak.
You are one of the most pompous jerks I have ever heard on this board, and that's saying a lot.
LEO's on here may disagree, but I would never, ever, EVER, interfere with a black woman when she was physically disicplining her child.
"You want some, too?"
The kind of smugness shown by those who claim that spanking is child abuse and that their kids have superior GPA's is indicative of what is wrong with the US. I will bet that these kids, when they are out of the house, have no respect for their elders and are terribly rude.
If they are in today's suburban public schools, all a high GPA shows is that the kids have psyched out how to suck up to their teachers!
How much does anyone want to bet that they have never done an honest days work in their lives?:
You lose both bets. Both of my sons are highly respectful of everyone, including people of different races and sexual orientation. (Something that cannot be said for the vast majority of people on this forum.) They both have had part time jobs since they were young, and they both have always gotten rave reviews from other parents, their teachers, etc, for how nice they are. My older son has been presented with numerous awards for his civic work, and my younger son is a Platoon Commander in his Junior Navy ROTC unit. He constantly gets awards from the retired Marine Major and Navy Chief that runs the unit.
You are just ashamed that you cannot raise smart, mature, respectful children, and you must resort to beating them.
quote:Originally posted by m1aguy
Parents never spanked any of us. All four of us were respectful, and grew up to be very successful. Wife and I have never spanked our sons. Oldest one is on full academic scholarship to ASU, majoring in Biology. He is in his second year, with a 4.0 GPA. Younger one has a high school GPA of 3.9, he will be on academic scholarship also. Neither one has ever been in any type of trouble at school, with the cops, into drugs, etc.
Spanking is just legal child abuse. White trash loves it. As for the OP, your daughter isn't respectful of you...she is scared of you and the past abuse you put her through. Great parenting.
Well, spanking is done to drive out those behaviours. If that is not needed it's not done. Shocking that you missed that point.
So, you and others on this forum are such terrible parents that you must resort to beating and terrorizing your children into acting how you want them to. Bet you consider yourselves fine upstanding Christians too. Pathetic.
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by m1aguy
Parents never spanked any of us. All four of us were respectful, and grew up to be very successful. Wife and I have never spanked our sons. Oldest one is on full academic scholarship to ASU, majoring in Biology. He is in his second year, with a 4.0 GPA. Younger one has a high school GPA of 3.9, he will be on academic scholarship also. Neither one has ever been in any type of trouble at school, with the cops, into drugs, etc.
Spanking is just legal child abuse. White trash loves it. As for the OP, your daughter isn't respectful of you...she is scared of you and the past abuse you put her through. Great parenting.
Well, spanking is done to drive out those behaviours. If that is not needed it's not done. Shocking that you missed that point.
So, you and others on this forum are such terrible parents that you must resort to beating and terrorizing your children into acting how you want them to. Bet you consider yourselves fine upstanding Christians too. Pathetic.
Are you such a simpleton that you can not discern the difference between spanking and beating?
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
quote:Originally posted by m1aguy
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by m1aguy
Parents never spanked any of us. All four of us were respectful, and grew up to be very successful. Wife and I have never spanked our sons. Oldest one is on full academic scholarship to ASU, majoring in Biology. He is in his second year, with a 4.0 GPA. Younger one has a high school GPA of 3.9, he will be on academic scholarship also. Neither one has ever been in any type of trouble at school, with the cops, into drugs, etc.
Spanking is just legal child abuse. White trash loves it. As for the OP, your daughter isn't respectful of you...she is scared of you and the past abuse you put her through. Great parenting.
Well, spanking is done to drive out those behaviours. If that is not needed it's not done. Shocking that you missed that point.
So, you and others on this forum are such terrible parents that you must resort to beating and terrorizing your children into acting how you want them to. Bet you consider yourselves fine upstanding Christians too. Pathetic.
Are you such a simpleton that you can not discern the difference between spanking and beating?
There is no difference. Spanking is physical abuse just like beating. If a stranger would walk up and spank a kid, the stranger would be arrested for assault. (And you would all scream if some stranger just walked up and spanked your kid.) Just because a family member does the spanking, does not make it any less wrong.
Perfect.