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My dad spanked us when we were kids, but he never hurt us. He really did hate spanking us. Today my dad is 70 years old and has heart trouble. He still tries to do most of the things (yard work, working in the shop, or working on the car) as he did when he was younger. We hav to treat him like a child to keep him safe. Now I know how he felt when he had to discipline us. I am personally thankful that he spanked us when we needed it.
quote:Originally posted by m1aguy
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by m1aguy
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by m1aguy
Parents never spanked any of us. All four of us were respectful, and grew up to be very successful. Wife and I have never spanked our sons. Oldest one is on full academic scholarship to ASU, majoring in Biology. He is in his second year, with a 4.0 GPA. Younger one has a high school GPA of 3.9, he will be on academic scholarship also. Neither one has ever been in any type of trouble at school, with the cops, into drugs, etc.
Spanking is just legal child abuse. White trash loves it. As for the OP, your daughter isn't respectful of you...she is scared of you and the past abuse you put her through. Great parenting.
Well, spanking is done to drive out those behaviours. If that is not needed it's not done. Shocking that you missed that point.
So, you and others on this forum are such terrible parents that you must resort to beating and terrorizing your children into acting how you want them to. Bet you consider yourselves fine upstanding Christians too. Pathetic.
Are you such a simpleton that you can not discern the difference between spanking and beating?
There is no difference. Spanking is physical abuse just like beating. If a stranger would walk up and spank a kid, the stranger would be arrested for assault. (And you would all scream if some stranger just walked up and spanked your kid.) Just because a family member does the spanking, does not make it any less wrong.
Yep, apparently you are.[:I]
Some will die in hot pursuit
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
I used a stepped response type of discipline. I'd tell them once, tell them a little louder the next time and then swat them. I only have one kid who took it past the swat phase, I laid her in a pile with a punch to the solar plexus. She is thirty now and we have talked about that day. She doesn't resent it, I definitely taught her where the boundaries were. She was on the verge of getting into drugs and turning into something she would likely regret later.
There are not enough hours in the day for endless negotiations, especially when you have multiple youngsters to train at the same time, both parents working and taking care of the household. It is real easy to have it all overwhelm you if you let it.
I even had acquaintances and relatives send their kids over. My system seemed to work.
IMO the worst thing you can do is ignore them and/or have as little contact as possible. IMO the ones who turn out the worst are those that out-negotiated their parents and loose respect for them or those who are neglected and left to run wild.
All of my kids, the neighbor kids and the relatives kids knew I'd take it just as far as I needed to.
One size fits all doesn't work either, some kids are easier than others. The smart ones learn from the mistakes of the other kids.
But IMO there has to be somebody to define the boundaries and dish out the consequences or things can go way wrong.
My Dad was never around, when he was, he'd overdo the punishment. My guess is he'd substitute quantity for quality when dishing out punishment. When I got to around fourteen years old he was afraid of me. I cut his favorite belt into two inch pieces and laid them next to one of his revolvers. I went feral and really didn't turn human again until I was a round 26 or so.
I also think mental abuse has longer lasting and worse consequences than corporal punishment. When people endlessly negotiate with their kids, it can escalate into something worse than a spanking and may last a lifetime.
quote:Originally posted by m1aguy
There is no difference. Spanking is physical abuse just like beating. If a stranger would walk up and spank a kid, the stranger would be arrested for assault. (And you would all scream if some stranger just walked up and spanked your kid.) Just because a family member does the spanking, does not make it any less wrong.
I can just imagine what your spoiled brats of kids are like. ME FIRST, ME FIRST, ME FIRST, I'M SPECIAL[xx(][xx(][xx(]
I needed corporal punishment...Spare the Rod,Spoil the child!....now where did I read that..???. We always respected our parents,because they taught us respect for the elders..."A child should be seen,not heard"...Three of us did Okay,no PHD's but all were successful in our endeavours..being a contributor to society is success...spankings and all....[:o)]
I saw the end of my father's heavy leather belt more than a few times as a boy and it taught me a lesson pretty quick! Behavior modification? You can bet on it! My sister and her husband use "timeouts" to discipline my niece and nephew and these are pretty much worthless for maintaining discipline in my opinion. It is a lot like the two or four week timeouts/suspensions occasionally handed out forum members who simply cannot behave themselves. Have any of those guys ever returned to the forum from their suspension a changed man?
quote:Originally posted by mark christian
It is a lot like the two or four week timeouts/suspensions occasionally handed out forum members who simply cannot behave themselves. Have any of those guys ever returned to the forum from their suspension a changed man?
EXACTLY!!!!!
quote:Originally posted by MudderChuck
I used a stepped response type of discipline. I'd tell them once, tell them a little louder the next time and then swat them. I only have one kid who took it past the swat phase, I laid her in a pile with a punch to the solar plexus.
My Dad was never around, when he was, he'd overdo the punishment. My guess is he'd substitute quantity for quality when dishing out punishment. When I got to around fourteen years old he was afraid of me. I cut his favorite belt into two inch pieces and laid them next to one of his revolvers. I went feral and really didn't turn human again until I was a round 26 or so.
So, you admit to assaulting your daughter and you brag about it. (Punching a girl in the plexus is assault.) Then you admit that your father beat you, AND admit that it did no good since you then threatened him when you turned 14 and went feral until you were 26 or so. Just one more case of abusers running in families. Pretty bad to know there are so many mental people out there with guns.
I got swatted on the leg right there , or sometimes my mom would at least take me out to the car. Then there was the "switch bush" at the house. How big or small??? hmmmm?
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quote:Originally posted by steg
quote:Originally posted by jonk
I have to disagree.
I do agree that kids today are under-disciplined and disrespectful, but I was spanked as a kid. Never in excess. But even then; I was resentful that I was spanked. I KNEW I had done wrong before the spanking, and my own sense of guilt and regret was worse than any pain could be; and I felt that, in so far as I understood my mistake if simply explained to me, spanking was just a way for dad to make me mad.
In fact, every time I got spanked, I wanted revenge. I didn't care if I got caught and spanked more, or if it was compounding my earlier ethical transgression. Whereas that was a mistake or a momentary lapse, now it was personal.
A few of my 'vengeance' moves as I recall:
-When I was really little, I spit in dad's coffee when he wasn't looking. Purile, but satisfying to a 4 year old.
-Throwing car keys down the sewer.
-Punching dad in the kidneys when I was 13, right after he finished spanking me. That was the last time he spanked me. I think he realized I was getting old enough that he could no longer be sure he'd win. The smaller ones I feel a little guilty and nostalgic about all at once, this is the one I really regret to this day. But by the logic of 'spare the rod spoil the child' he should have hit me even harder for that; yet my guilt over the last 20 years has been worse than any punishment he could have meted out.
Teaching respect is about proper upbringing, which may or may not include corporal punishment; however corporal punishment does not in and of itself insure good manners and so on. You teach well, and indoctrinate respect, your child's own sense of right and wrong will be compass-true.
My parents were immigrants, my father was German, and a WWI German Army veteran. My mother Polish. We did not use English in my house until I was about 10 years old. If I even thought about doing the things you said you did, I would not be in one piece-or even alive-today!
I raised 3 boys, and they got spanked when they needed it. If they dared look resentful at their mother or me during or after punishment, they got an extra dose!
Today, one is a college professor, one is a graduate civil engineer, and the third, now deceased, was a Marine Corps Officer. All of which became possible due to proper familial discipline.
Steg; My father was a WWII Army-Air Corps man.He was a wrench in the CBI campaign and went on to flight engeneer until retiring way before I was born.
From there he went to work for the Navy Civil Service at the philly Navy Yard as a "fuels & lubes" tech.He designed and fabed the first "thermovision camera mount".Nothing special because the GOV. took all credit for it.
The man was and is still military by the book.
He was always fair yet if U were not at the table,clean,and at 1700 hrs. U were in deep do-do!!
I have danced 2,000 circles on the front porch,if i've danced 1.
At 14 yo. I was informed that the belt was no longer an option,from now on it would be "fist to face"....
I believe i'm a better man for it today...
I was born in 1961, things were way different then...
quote:Originally posted by m1aguy
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by m1aguy
Parents never spanked any of us. All four of us were respectful, and grew up to be very successful. Wife and I have never spanked our sons. Oldest one is on full academic scholarship to ASU, majoring in Biology. He is in his second year, with a 4.0 GPA. Younger one has a high school GPA of 3.9, he will be on academic scholarship also. Neither one has ever been in any type of trouble at school, with the cops, into drugs, etc.
Spanking is just legal child abuse. White trash loves it. As for the OP, your daughter isn't respectful of you...she is scared of you and the past abuse you put her through. Great parenting.
Well, spanking is done to drive out those behaviours. If that is not needed it's not done. Shocking that you missed that point.
So, you and others on this forum are such terrible parents that you must resort to beating and terrorizing your children into acting how you want them to. Bet you consider yourselves fine upstanding Christians too. Pathetic.
U just don't remember your last * whoopin..."PATHETIC"
quote:Originally posted by m1aguy
quote:Originally posted by MudderChuck
I used a stepped response type of discipline. I'd tell them once, tell them a little louder the next time and then swat them. I only have one kid who took it past the swat phase, I laid her in a pile with a punch to the solar plexus.
My Dad was never around, when he was, he'd overdo the punishment. My guess is he'd substitute quantity for quality when dishing out punishment. When I got to around fourteen years old he was afraid of me. I cut his favorite belt into two inch pieces and laid them next to one of his revolvers. I went feral and really didn't turn human again until I was a round 26 or so.
So, you admit to assaulting your daughter and you brag about it. (Punching a girl in the plexus is assault.) Then you admit that your father beat you, AND admit that it did no good since you then threatened him when you turned 14 and went feral until you were 26 or so. Just one more case of abusers running in families. Pretty bad to know there are so many mental people out there with guns.
Not all of us are as perfect as you are. But I'll match my results against yours, mine are all good adults, real people, they are more substance than image. You can count the times I've spanked my kids on your fingers, it was usually enough they knew I would if necessary. Only one chose to take if farther than it needed to go, once. I guess she had to learn the hard way, that I was serious.
I've seen the results of permissive parents and those who never spanked there kids. Sure some turn out OK, most don't.
I know one parent who was always trying to tell me how to raiser my kids, she was a closet alcoholic, who eventually ran off to Australia and abandoned her kids. I keep in touch with her boys on Facebook, they know if things get really rough, I'm there for them.
Knew another expert, has three daughters all divorced with kids, living with her now. Know another expert, who has young guys sneaking in her daughters bedroom window at 3 A.M. Know another, actually the young woman who was leading my daughter astray, rings and studs in most every orifice, black baby no father in sight, living with her mother. Know another young man who was abandoned when he was 16, I'm his rock, the place he can always find a warm bed and a hot meal.
When i was a kid i didn't do anything wrong at other peoples houses. I wasn't sure as to what my parents would have done but i do know what they did when i messed up and home and i didn't care for it. I was sure if i bleened up and others houses i would get 10 fold what i would have at home. That kept me from screwing around.
quote:Originally posted by wiplash
So, M1aguy, Just how did you disipline your kids?
When they were very young and acted up, my wife and I scolded them and timed them out. For all their lives, my wife and I have set good examples for them (neither of us drink, smoke, ever did drugs, scream, etc and we have been happily married for over 20 years, one and only marriage for both of us, we aren't on our 4th or 5th marriage like so many people are) and they have grown into excellent, responsible young adults. That is exactly the way my parents raised all 4 of us, neither of my parents drank, smoked, did drugs, screamed etc and they were happily married for 25 years when my Dad died. One and only marriage for them also. And neither of them ever struck any of us. Too bad more people can't raise children without beating them. But, then, many parents aren't actually adult. Way too many of them are just irresponsible people that really have no idea how to raise children and resort to physical measures to beat their children into submission. Then those children grow up and have children, without ever learning how to be good parents, and they have to smack their kids around and the cycle continues.
Here in Arizona, it is very sad to see how many of their school mates have horrible parents that do nothing but scream at the kids. You can tell from a lot of the kids' gestures, flinches, etc that they are abused by their families. Some of my sons' female friends have come over with bruises and welts on them, we called the police about those cases, and a few of them have been taken out of their houses and family members charged. Several of their friends have flat out told us that they like it here much better than their homes, because we talk to them, try to help them, give them guidance, and do not berate and scream at them like their families do and we are not drunk all the time like their parents are.
From the responses to this post, it is apparent that there are a lot of "parents" out there that feel it is their right to beat their kids. Hopefully, someone will find out and report them for doing so.
Johnny, no...Johnny, I said no...Johnny, I said NO!...Johnny, do you want a time out!...Johnny, time for a time out...Do you hear me Johnny?...I'm going to call your Mother Johnny!...Your Mother will give you a time out Johnny!
Ring Ring...Hello, Physcologist Office... Yes , this is M1AGUY Johnnys Father. He's acting up again and I just don't know what to do!
Phsycologist... Bring him in, I have some New pills to try on him.
M1AGUY...I need some too!!!
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Figured i would ad how the wife and i disciplined are kids. The wife found out at a earily age that are oldest son hates having to wright sentences. Hell he use to beg for a spanking over writing 100 or 200 or even the 1000 for the time he called his mom the b word ( took him 28 hour to do it ). Even with are youngest just going into kindergarten his still gets sentences when he messes up. He just has to write his name for pages on end. I swear the kids would rather be tared and feathered then have to write.
U "time outers" and "Sentence writers" must be children of the 80's....
I feel OLD but am still steadfast in the knowledge that if you "spare the rod you spoil the child".
I have never raised a son or daughter but,had I,they would know of "deserved punishment"...
Not "beating" but good honest discipline...
quote:Originally posted by fishkiller41
U "time outers" and "Sentence writers" must be children of the 80's....
I feel OLD but am still steadfast in the knowledge that if you "spare the rod you spoil the child".
I have never raised a son or daughter but,had I,they would know of "deserved punishment"...
Not "beating" but good honest discipline...
Well, since you have never raised a child, your thoughts on the subject are worthless.
quote:Originally posted by m1aguy
quote:Originally posted by fishkiller41
U "time outers" and "Sentence writers" must be children of the 80's....
I feel OLD but am still steadfast in the knowledge that if you "spare the rod you spoil the child".
I have never raised a son or daughter but,had I,they would know of "deserved punishment"...
Not "beating" but good honest discipline...
Well, since you have never raised a child, your thoughts on the subject are worthless.
I think not my friend...
I WAS A CHILD ,,,,ONCE...
And i have to believe it was in a totally different world that the childhood U had.
AND I AM GLAD!!!
I was given a .22 LR. and trusted to be safe and well with it at age 7,and i brought home squirrels,rabbits ,setting pheasant and quail.... "
I EARNED IT!!!
I got a 12ga,REM Mohawk M-48 at 9yo and was expected to make every shot bring home a piece of meat and I did.
AND I AM GLAD!!
When I was 12yo. my pop and my uncle bought me a Krieghoff O/U and had it fitted to me.I shot comp. trap and skeet for 6 years.
Wanna know why they paid all that money for a kid?
I EARNED IT!!!
I just wish I could do it all again....
I had the best childhood any kid could want but,I took a few stern asskikkins along the way.
AND I'M GLAD!!!
Wanna know where the Krieghoff went?
My pop found it in it's case, with DUCK BLIND MUD in the butt plate....yep.... I just HAD to impress the guys.....
im a product of the 90's and i got a few spankings in the day and it didnt take that many to learn after the first few good ones you only need the threat. i dont resent my parents i love them sometimes theres a situation where a time out simply doesnt work the child needs an on the spot correction right there so they learn quickly
but i will also agree some people do go a little overboard and hit their kids for every little thing and thats the wrong answer
but you cant say hitting your kid is wrong in every situation..
Never got a whooping I didnt deserve. My parents were fair but stern, get out of line and you got the belt. My kids were treated the same and are great adults now. My grandpappy had a razor strop that I got a feel of a couple times that ceased my bad behavior pronto.[8D]
I would love to know how many handle a new dog that decides to eat a $100 set of shoes or continually craps in the floor .
And how would you reinforce the command that the dog not run into the road ?
quote:Originally posted by trapguy2007
quote:Originally posted by reloader44mag
Spanking is a lazy parents way of discipline...my 2 cents...reloader44mag
How is it lazy ?
Takes way more effort than giving a time out .
How about the mental fortitude to explain to the son/daughter WHY what they did was not acceptable and could get them in trouble with others in the future...I was spanked as a kid...my father was brought up that that was the way to change errors that I made...all it did was make me not respect him when he hit me...reloader44mag
quote:Originally posted by m1aguy
quote:Originally posted by fishkiller41
U "time outers" and "Sentence writers" must be children of the 80's....
I feel OLD but am still steadfast in the knowledge that if you "spare the rod you spoil the child".
I have never raised a son or daughter but,had I,they would know of "deserved punishment"...
Not "beating" but good honest discipline...
Well, since you have never raised a child, your thoughts on the subject are worthless.
I just read that you only have a one year old baby boy, and now you know all there is about raising a child!!!
You just get back to us when he hits his Terrible Two's [B)]
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quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by m1aguy
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by m1aguy
Parents never spanked any of us. All four of us were respectful, and grew up to be very successful. Wife and I have never spanked our sons. Oldest one is on full academic scholarship to ASU, majoring in Biology. He is in his second year, with a 4.0 GPA. Younger one has a high school GPA of 3.9, he will be on academic scholarship also. Neither one has ever been in any type of trouble at school, with the cops, into drugs, etc.
Spanking is just legal child abuse. White trash loves it. As for the OP, your daughter isn't respectful of you...she is scared of you and the past abuse you put her through. Great parenting.
Well, spanking is done to drive out those behaviours. If that is not needed it's not done. Shocking that you missed that point.
So, you and others on this forum are such terrible parents that you must resort to beating and terrorizing your children into acting how you want them to. Bet you consider yourselves fine upstanding Christians too. Pathetic.
Are you such a simpleton that you can not discern the difference between spanking and beating?
There is no difference. Spanking is physical abuse just like beating. If a stranger would walk up and spank a kid, the stranger would be arrested for assault. (And you would all scream if some stranger just walked up and spanked your kid.) Just because a family member does the spanking, does not make it any less wrong.
Yep, apparently you are.[:I]
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
There are not enough hours in the day for endless negotiations, especially when you have multiple youngsters to train at the same time, both parents working and taking care of the household. It is real easy to have it all overwhelm you if you let it.
I even had acquaintances and relatives send their kids over. My system seemed to work.
IMO the worst thing you can do is ignore them and/or have as little contact as possible. IMO the ones who turn out the worst are those that out-negotiated their parents and loose respect for them or those who are neglected and left to run wild.
All of my kids, the neighbor kids and the relatives kids knew I'd take it just as far as I needed to.
One size fits all doesn't work either, some kids are easier than others. The smart ones learn from the mistakes of the other kids.
But IMO there has to be somebody to define the boundaries and dish out the consequences or things can go way wrong.
My Dad was never around, when he was, he'd overdo the punishment. My guess is he'd substitute quantity for quality when dishing out punishment. When I got to around fourteen years old he was afraid of me. I cut his favorite belt into two inch pieces and laid them next to one of his revolvers. I went feral and really didn't turn human again until I was a round 26 or so.
I also think mental abuse has longer lasting and worse consequences than corporal punishment. When people endlessly negotiate with their kids, it can escalate into something worse than a spanking and may last a lifetime.
There is no difference. Spanking is physical abuse just like beating. If a stranger would walk up and spank a kid, the stranger would be arrested for assault. (And you would all scream if some stranger just walked up and spanked your kid.) Just because a family member does the spanking, does not make it any less wrong.
I can just imagine what your spoiled brats of kids are like. ME FIRST, ME FIRST, ME FIRST, I'M SPECIAL[xx(][xx(][xx(]
It is a lot like the two or four week timeouts/suspensions occasionally handed out forum members who simply cannot behave themselves. Have any of those guys ever returned to the forum from their suspension a changed man?
EXACTLY!!!!!
I used a stepped response type of discipline. I'd tell them once, tell them a little louder the next time and then swat them. I only have one kid who took it past the swat phase, I laid her in a pile with a punch to the solar plexus.
My Dad was never around, when he was, he'd overdo the punishment. My guess is he'd substitute quantity for quality when dishing out punishment. When I got to around fourteen years old he was afraid of me. I cut his favorite belt into two inch pieces and laid them next to one of his revolvers. I went feral and really didn't turn human again until I was a round 26 or so.
So, you admit to assaulting your daughter and you brag about it. (Punching a girl in the plexus is assault.) Then you admit that your father beat you, AND admit that it did no good since you then threatened him when you turned 14 and went feral until you were 26 or so. Just one more case of abusers running in families. Pretty bad to know there are so many mental people out there with guns.
quote:Originally posted by jonk
I have to disagree.
I do agree that kids today are under-disciplined and disrespectful, but I was spanked as a kid. Never in excess. But even then; I was resentful that I was spanked. I KNEW I had done wrong before the spanking, and my own sense of guilt and regret was worse than any pain could be; and I felt that, in so far as I understood my mistake if simply explained to me, spanking was just a way for dad to make me mad.
In fact, every time I got spanked, I wanted revenge. I didn't care if I got caught and spanked more, or if it was compounding my earlier ethical transgression. Whereas that was a mistake or a momentary lapse, now it was personal.
A few of my 'vengeance' moves as I recall:
-When I was really little, I spit in dad's coffee when he wasn't looking. Purile, but satisfying to a 4 year old.
-Throwing car keys down the sewer.
-Punching dad in the kidneys when I was 13, right after he finished spanking me. That was the last time he spanked me. I think he realized I was getting old enough that he could no longer be sure he'd win. The smaller ones I feel a little guilty and nostalgic about all at once, this is the one I really regret to this day. But by the logic of 'spare the rod spoil the child' he should have hit me even harder for that; yet my guilt over the last 20 years has been worse than any punishment he could have meted out.
Teaching respect is about proper upbringing, which may or may not include corporal punishment; however corporal punishment does not in and of itself insure good manners and so on. You teach well, and indoctrinate respect, your child's own sense of right and wrong will be compass-true.
My parents were immigrants, my father was German, and a WWI German Army veteran. My mother Polish. We did not use English in my house until I was about 10 years old. If I even thought about doing the things you said you did, I would not be in one piece-or even alive-today!
I raised 3 boys, and they got spanked when they needed it. If they dared look resentful at their mother or me during or after punishment, they got an extra dose!
Today, one is a college professor, one is a graduate civil engineer, and the third, now deceased, was a Marine Corps Officer. All of which became possible due to proper familial discipline.
Steg; My father was a WWII Army-Air Corps man.He was a wrench in the CBI campaign and went on to flight engeneer until retiring way before I was born.
From there he went to work for the Navy Civil Service at the philly Navy Yard as a "fuels & lubes" tech.He designed and fabed the first "thermovision camera mount".Nothing special because the GOV. took all credit for it.
The man was and is still military by the book.
He was always fair yet if U were not at the table,clean,and at 1700 hrs. U were in deep do-do!!
I have danced 2,000 circles on the front porch,if i've danced 1.
At 14 yo. I was informed that the belt was no longer an option,from now on it would be "fist to face"....
I believe i'm a better man for it today...
I was born in 1961, things were way different then...
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by m1aguy
Parents never spanked any of us. All four of us were respectful, and grew up to be very successful. Wife and I have never spanked our sons. Oldest one is on full academic scholarship to ASU, majoring in Biology. He is in his second year, with a 4.0 GPA. Younger one has a high school GPA of 3.9, he will be on academic scholarship also. Neither one has ever been in any type of trouble at school, with the cops, into drugs, etc.
Spanking is just legal child abuse. White trash loves it. As for the OP, your daughter isn't respectful of you...she is scared of you and the past abuse you put her through. Great parenting.
Well, spanking is done to drive out those behaviours. If that is not needed it's not done. Shocking that you missed that point.
So, you and others on this forum are such terrible parents that you must resort to beating and terrorizing your children into acting how you want them to. Bet you consider yourselves fine upstanding Christians too. Pathetic.
U just don't remember your last * whoopin..."PATHETIC"
quote:Originally posted by MudderChuck
I used a stepped response type of discipline. I'd tell them once, tell them a little louder the next time and then swat them. I only have one kid who took it past the swat phase, I laid her in a pile with a punch to the solar plexus.
My Dad was never around, when he was, he'd overdo the punishment. My guess is he'd substitute quantity for quality when dishing out punishment. When I got to around fourteen years old he was afraid of me. I cut his favorite belt into two inch pieces and laid them next to one of his revolvers. I went feral and really didn't turn human again until I was a round 26 or so.
So, you admit to assaulting your daughter and you brag about it. (Punching a girl in the plexus is assault.) Then you admit that your father beat you, AND admit that it did no good since you then threatened him when you turned 14 and went feral until you were 26 or so. Just one more case of abusers running in families. Pretty bad to know there are so many mental people out there with guns.
Not all of us are as perfect as you are. But I'll match my results against yours, mine are all good adults, real people, they are more substance than image. You can count the times I've spanked my kids on your fingers, it was usually enough they knew I would if necessary. Only one chose to take if farther than it needed to go, once. I guess she had to learn the hard way, that I was serious.
I've seen the results of permissive parents and those who never spanked there kids. Sure some turn out OK, most don't.
I know one parent who was always trying to tell me how to raiser my kids, she was a closet alcoholic, who eventually ran off to Australia and abandoned her kids. I keep in touch with her boys on Facebook, they know if things get really rough, I'm there for them.
Knew another expert, has three daughters all divorced with kids, living with her now. Know another expert, who has young guys sneaking in her daughters bedroom window at 3 A.M. Know another, actually the young woman who was leading my daughter astray, rings and studs in most every orifice, black baby no father in sight, living with her mother. Know another young man who was abandoned when he was 16, I'm his rock, the place he can always find a warm bed and a hot meal.
Welcome to the real world.
So, M1aguy, Just how did you disipline your kids?
When they were very young and acted up, my wife and I scolded them and timed them out. For all their lives, my wife and I have set good examples for them (neither of us drink, smoke, ever did drugs, scream, etc and we have been happily married for over 20 years, one and only marriage for both of us, we aren't on our 4th or 5th marriage like so many people are) and they have grown into excellent, responsible young adults. That is exactly the way my parents raised all 4 of us, neither of my parents drank, smoked, did drugs, screamed etc and they were happily married for 25 years when my Dad died. One and only marriage for them also. And neither of them ever struck any of us. Too bad more people can't raise children without beating them. But, then, many parents aren't actually adult. Way too many of them are just irresponsible people that really have no idea how to raise children and resort to physical measures to beat their children into submission. Then those children grow up and have children, without ever learning how to be good parents, and they have to smack their kids around and the cycle continues.
Here in Arizona, it is very sad to see how many of their school mates have horrible parents that do nothing but scream at the kids. You can tell from a lot of the kids' gestures, flinches, etc that they are abused by their families. Some of my sons' female friends have come over with bruises and welts on them, we called the police about those cases, and a few of them have been taken out of their houses and family members charged. Several of their friends have flat out told us that they like it here much better than their homes, because we talk to them, try to help them, give them guidance, and do not berate and scream at them like their families do and we are not drunk all the time like their parents are.
From the responses to this post, it is apparent that there are a lot of "parents" out there that feel it is their right to beat their kids. Hopefully, someone will find out and report them for doing so.
Ring Ring...Hello, Physcologist Office... Yes , this is M1AGUY Johnnys Father. He's acting up again and I just don't know what to do!
Phsycologist... Bring him in, I have some New pills to try on him.
M1AGUY...I need some too!!!
I would sure love to forward your Posts to CPS to show them what kind of a Nutcase you are [:(!]
I feel OLD but am still steadfast in the knowledge that if you "spare the rod you spoil the child".
I have never raised a son or daughter but,had I,they would know of "deserved punishment"...
Not "beating" but good honest discipline...
I'm glad that I was spanked rather than being mentally tortured by being stuffed into a dark lonely corner!
U "time outers" and "Sentence writers" must be children of the 80's....
I feel OLD but am still steadfast in the knowledge that if you "spare the rod you spoil the child".
I have never raised a son or daughter but,had I,they would know of "deserved punishment"...
Not "beating" but good honest discipline...
Well, since you have never raised a child, your thoughts on the subject are worthless.
quote:Originally posted by fishkiller41
U "time outers" and "Sentence writers" must be children of the 80's....
I feel OLD but am still steadfast in the knowledge that if you "spare the rod you spoil the child".
I have never raised a son or daughter but,had I,they would know of "deserved punishment"...
Not "beating" but good honest discipline...
Well, since you have never raised a child, your thoughts on the subject are worthless.
I think not my friend...
I WAS A CHILD ,,,,ONCE...
And i have to believe it was in a totally different world that the childhood U had.
AND I AM GLAD!!!
I was given a .22 LR. and trusted to be safe and well with it at age 7,and i brought home squirrels,rabbits ,setting pheasant and quail.... "
I EARNED IT!!!
I got a 12ga,REM Mohawk M-48 at 9yo and was expected to make every shot bring home a piece of meat and I did.
AND I AM GLAD!!
When I was 12yo. my pop and my uncle bought me a Krieghoff O/U and had it fitted to me.I shot comp. trap and skeet for 6 years.
Wanna know why they paid all that money for a kid?
I EARNED IT!!!
I just wish I could do it all again....
I had the best childhood any kid could want but,I took a few stern asskikkins along the way.
AND I'M GLAD!!!
Wanna know where the Krieghoff went?
My pop found it in it's case, with DUCK BLIND MUD in the butt plate....yep.... I just HAD to impress the guys.....
but i will also agree some people do go a little overboard and hit their kids for every little thing and thats the wrong answer
but you cant say hitting your kid is wrong in every situation..
[}:)]barto[}:)]
Must be hard on the neck, packing that big-* halo around all day.
[}:)]barto[}:)]
Yeah, no doubt about that!
I was spanked as a child (and deservedly so), but I was not beaten.
Not that I don't love a good argument sometimes, but this is one of the stupidest I've seen here in quite a while.
To me, spanking=discipline......beating=abuse.......just my opinion or course.
Spanking is a lazy parents way of discipline...my 2 cents...reloader44mag
How is it lazy ?
Takes way more effort than giving a time out .
And how would you reinforce the command that the dog not run into the road ?
quote:Originally posted by reloader44mag
Spanking is a lazy parents way of discipline...my 2 cents...reloader44mag
How is it lazy ?
Takes way more effort than giving a time out .
How about the mental fortitude to explain to the son/daughter WHY what they did was not acceptable and could get them in trouble with others in the future...I was spanked as a kid...my father was brought up that that was the way to change errors that I made...all it did was make me not respect him when he hit me...reloader44mag
quote:Originally posted by fishkiller41
U "time outers" and "Sentence writers" must be children of the 80's....
I feel OLD but am still steadfast in the knowledge that if you "spare the rod you spoil the child".
I have never raised a son or daughter but,had I,they would know of "deserved punishment"...
Not "beating" but good honest discipline...
Well, since you have never raised a child, your thoughts on the subject are worthless.
I just read that you only have a one year old baby boy, and now you know all there is about raising a child!!!
You just get back to us when he hits his Terrible Two's [B)]