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Offeror: Permit me a digression, please ("guru" personalities the likes of Dr. Phil make me puke). The statement "you can argue with what someone thinks, but it's tough to deny how they feel about something" strikes me as a platitude dressed up like a profound distinction. Is it not obvious that we don't usually go around telling people they don't feel the way they do? Further, isn't what we "think" about something and how we "feel" about something one and the same? Dr. Phil's use of language here is why there is little more science in psychology than in astrology. What is the linguistic or psychological difference between the statement "I think that hunting sucks" and "What I feel about hunting is that it sucks"? Would anyone ever actually reply "No you don't" to either statement?
Why does man kill? He kills for food. But not only for food; frequently, he must have a beverage.
If you don't like something, does that make it wrong for others as well?
Country music makes me want to break out into uncontrollable heaves but I do not get upset because someone else enjoys it.
If seeing a deer get killed makes you upset, don't look at it. If seeing a zebra get shot upsets you, don't watch. If you cannot handle the idea that meat comes from DEAD animals, I'm sure you will love the salad bar at Hosses.
I've said this before and I will say it again, the meat you get at the grocery is obtained in a far more cruel fashion than my deer meat was. If you have the guts, go to a commercial packing house or a slaughter house. Go to the feedlots, the breeders or the hatcheries. You want to see cruel? Go look at how your steak made it to your table. The hunted animals have it far better than some Angus beef at the feedlot. Those animales are raised with one purpose in mind, to die. They are penned up from birth, they are crammed into feedlots, they are crammed into a truck, they are crammed into a standing pen for hours with no food or drink, they are marched into a room with nothing but the smell of blood and death and killed. You call hunting what you wish, it is far more humane than your wrapped steak at the store. Anti hunters confuse me to no end, they will comdemn me for shooting a cute little deer but at the same time do so while eating a big 'ol ribeye that was cursed from day one.
Ohh, and yes I have seen it, from the feedlots in Amarillo TX to IBP and National Beef. I have a very cold heart when it comes to killing animals and I feel sorry for those cows.
One other thing, will you watch Discovery channel or TLC and watch that zebra get killed by natural predators and complain? Is it ok to watch a pack of lions eat another animal while it's still alive on TV but not watch a hunter shoot one?
Dances --
You overestimate my seriousness in mentioning Dr. Phil's name. The point is, people do, precisely, take umbrage at and argue other people's feelings all the time, a pointless exercise. It helps to make the distinction. We are not working out the logic here so much as we are addressing individual emotional reactions. The point is, we won't change any minds because in this case it is not the mind that can be changed. We're talking emotions, or as men prefer to call them, gut reactions.
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"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
7mm --
Now there's a lighter note. What, a trucker who doesn't like country music? Times have changed!
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"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
My post had nothing whatever to do with the original thread ("permit me a digression", remember?). It had to do with the statement I cited.
Your reply indicates you misread what the good doctor said. He didn't say that people don't take umbrage at or argue other people's feelings; he said that it's tough to DENY that people have these feelings. NO SH*T??
My point this the statement is trivial and a truism, which is at bottom of most tv "psychologists".
Boy, am I sorry I brought this one up!
Why does man kill? He kills for food. But not only for food; frequently, he must have a beverage.
Fer gosh sake, don't be sorry that you started this thread, it's been a good one! There's been no flaming, no personal insults, just honest expressions of how different members view things.
Sure, it's taken a turn here and there, but so what? Those twists and turns are what keep threads both active and interesting.
Getting back to one of the points brought up earlier, I have also eaten horse meat, back in the early 70's. Wasn't bad, as I recall.
I always thought Zebras were sorta like donkey's --- they hee haw like 'em anyway. Who would want to eat a donkey? I shouldn't have asked, Dread would eat it!
What I said was, 'as Dr. Phil would say,' because he was the first pop psychologist who came to mind. I wasn't quoting him; I also referred to what wives seem to get more than husbands. Somewhere, long ago, I heard it was unfair to argue with someone about how they feel about something, or words to that effect. That's all I meant to add. If it were obvious, we men wouldn't be so prone to it, and women wouldn't "beat us up" for it so often. Actually, there was more humor there than apparently met the eye.
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"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
7mmnut, I used to sell the semen to get the cows bred with that made them have faster growing calves that gained more weight sooner so they could get in the killing room quicker at a higher weight and therefore bing more money in sooner!! Now I sell seed(or have dealers who actually sell) that helps them have a better food source so they can grow even quicker!! Somehow this thread got turned sideways!!! If I'd seen a zebra today I probably wouldn't have shot him!! I only had the 17HMR in the tractor and figure I'd need at least the 223 XP-100 to have done him in!! It's late and I'm going to bed!! Thanks for the laughs! GHD
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the hard stuff we do right away - the impossible takes a little longer
Why does man kill? He kills for food. But not only for food; frequently, he must have a beverage.
Country music makes me want to break out into uncontrollable heaves but I do not get upset because someone else enjoys it.
If seeing a deer get killed makes you upset, don't look at it. If seeing a zebra get shot upsets you, don't watch. If you cannot handle the idea that meat comes from DEAD animals, I'm sure you will love the salad bar at Hosses.
I've said this before and I will say it again, the meat you get at the grocery is obtained in a far more cruel fashion than my deer meat was. If you have the guts, go to a commercial packing house or a slaughter house. Go to the feedlots, the breeders or the hatcheries. You want to see cruel? Go look at how your steak made it to your table. The hunted animals have it far better than some Angus beef at the feedlot. Those animales are raised with one purpose in mind, to die. They are penned up from birth, they are crammed into feedlots, they are crammed into a truck, they are crammed into a standing pen for hours with no food or drink, they are marched into a room with nothing but the smell of blood and death and killed. You call hunting what you wish, it is far more humane than your wrapped steak at the store. Anti hunters confuse me to no end, they will comdemn me for shooting a cute little deer but at the same time do so while eating a big 'ol ribeye that was cursed from day one.
Edited by - 7mm nut on 09/08/2002 15:15:08
You overestimate my seriousness in mentioning Dr. Phil's name. The point is, people do, precisely, take umbrage at and argue other people's feelings all the time, a pointless exercise. It helps to make the distinction. We are not working out the logic here so much as we are addressing individual emotional reactions. The point is, we won't change any minds because in this case it is not the mind that can be changed. We're talking emotions, or as men prefer to call them, gut reactions.
- Life NRA Member
"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
Now there's a lighter note. What, a trucker who doesn't like country music? Times have changed!
- Life NRA Member
"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
My post had nothing whatever to do with the original thread ("permit me a digression", remember?). It had to do with the statement I cited.
Your reply indicates you misread what the good doctor said. He didn't say that people don't take umbrage at or argue other people's feelings; he said that it's tough to DENY that people have these feelings. NO SH*T??
My point this the statement is trivial and a truism, which is at bottom of most tv "psychologists".
Boy, am I sorry I brought this one up!
Why does man kill? He kills for food. But not only for food; frequently, he must have a beverage.
Fer gosh sake, don't be sorry that you started this thread, it's been a good one! There's been no flaming, no personal insults, just honest expressions of how different members view things.
Sure, it's taken a turn here and there, but so what? Those twists and turns are what keep threads both active and interesting.
Getting back to one of the points brought up earlier, I have also eaten horse meat, back in the early 70's. Wasn't bad, as I recall.
- Life NRA Member
"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
Why does man kill? He kills for food. But not only for food; frequently, he must have a beverage.