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America's Demise...How close are we?
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Thought provoking
>
> How Long Do We Have?
>
> About the time our original 13 states adopted their new constitution, in
> 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of
> Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some
> 2,000 years prior, "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply
> cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue
> to
> exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves
> generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority
> always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the
> public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally
> collapse
> due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."
>
> "The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning
> of
> history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations
> always progressed through the following sequence:
>
> 1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
> 2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
> 3. From courage to liberty;
> 4. From liberty to abundance;
> 5. From abundance to complacency;
> 6. From complacency to apathy;
> 7. From apathy to dependence;
> 8. From dependence back into bondage ."
>
> Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul,
> Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000
> Presidential election:
>
> Population of counties won by: Gore: 127 million; Bush: 143 million
> Square miles of land won by: Gore: 580,000; Bush: 2,427,000
> States won by: Gore: 19 Bush: 29
> Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Gore: 13.2 Bush: 2.1
>
> Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was
> mostly the land owned by the tax-paying citizens of this great country.
> Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in
> government-owned tenements and living off government welfare..."
>
> Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency
> and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some
> 40 percent of the nation's population already having reached the
> "governmental dependency" phase.
>
> How Long Do We Have?
>
> About the time our original 13 states adopted their new constitution, in
> 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of
> Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some
> 2,000 years prior, "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply
> cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue
> to
> exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves
> generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority
> always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the
> public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally
> collapse
> due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."
>
> "The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning
> of
> history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations
> always progressed through the following sequence:
>
> 1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
> 2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
> 3. From courage to liberty;
> 4. From liberty to abundance;
> 5. From abundance to complacency;
> 6. From complacency to apathy;
> 7. From apathy to dependence;
> 8. From dependence back into bondage ."
>
> Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul,
> Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000
> Presidential election:
>
> Population of counties won by: Gore: 127 million; Bush: 143 million
> Square miles of land won by: Gore: 580,000; Bush: 2,427,000
> States won by: Gore: 19 Bush: 29
> Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Gore: 13.2 Bush: 2.1
>
> Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was
> mostly the land owned by the tax-paying citizens of this great country.
> Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in
> government-owned tenements and living off government welfare..."
>
> Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency
> and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some
> 40 percent of the nation's population already having reached the
> "governmental dependency" phase.
Comments
Reagan stoped the process for a time but did not reverse it.
Bush has been ineffective at stoping the process due to the war on terror.
As I have said before America was finished years ago, Its already done.
This process began to accelerate when women got the vote.
try for #2
...sadly #2 is long gone and few are left that are capable of it.[V]
More than half could not place lousiana or Iraq on a regional map.
THATS APATHY.
Waiting for your $100 gas card... dependance
Look @ Katrina Evacuess!!!! Still crying
THATS DEPENDANCE
SOMEONE PROVE ME WRONG
#2 my butt
"governmental dependency" phase.
Wonder if the failing S.S. system was also thrown into the mix of abused "governmental dependencys"[?]
Illegal immigrants are Catholic's and Muslims...not Christians.
Christians are the minority.
By the way..even your President calls it a Democracy....
Only a few of us wacko fanatics call it a Constitutional Republic...the reason being...since about 1869 or so....it has been a Democracy...
We have become a nation of cowards.
Perfectly willing to kill anybody pointed out as "Enemy" by tyrannical central government...
But totally unwilling to actually study and think for ourselves..hating anybody pointing out inconsistencies from "Big Brother"...
I read that many years ago; I still remember the chill that went up my spine at the time. It is the most exact sumation of the truth I have ever seen.
If we get nuked or another 911 attack with massive death toll I would say we may well collapse then or soon there after.
If not then 25 to 50 years at most. We will just cease to exist as a viable country, dying without a whimper. Freedom being replaced with hollow "rights" the new buzz word of a oppressive mind controling Government.
OH...WOW...I feel better.[xx(]
Shut up 7.62.
Illegal immigrants are Catholic's and Muslims...not Christians.
Christians are the minority.
Roflmao
That's the equivalent of a Yogo driver being accused of high-speed road rage. [:D]
Oh and Christanity won out, because God wanted it to, not some mythology.
What the heck are you takling about? God does not interfere with free will. He want us to behave of our own free will.
quote:Originally posted by 7.62x39
Oh and Christanity won out, because God wanted it to, not some mythology.
What the heck are you takling about? God does not interfere with free will. He want us to behave of our own free will.
Amen. I believe He has blessed this country...BUT we have done very little to keep His blessing flowing...quite to the contrary, as a matter of fact.
The first time people actually were allowed to exercise free will.
Anything or ANYBODY taking away that free will is evil.
A free people voting themselves serfdom is insanity.
Being sarcastic? Catholics are Christians.
Just goes to show what a lack of knowledge does. [}:)]
BTW, there are even some people who say that Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson used to be Christians. [:D][:D]
Thought provoking
>
> How Long Do We Have?
>
> About the time our original 13 states adopted their new constitution, in
> 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of
> Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some
> 2,000 years prior, "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply
> cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue
> to
> exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves
> generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority
> always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the
> public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally
> collapse
> due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."
>
> "The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning
> of
> history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations
> always progressed through the following sequence:
>
> 1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
> 2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
> 3. From courage to liberty;
> 4. From liberty to abundance;
> 5. From abundance to complacency;
> 6. From complacency to apathy;
> 7. From apathy to dependence;
> 8. From dependence back into bondage ."
>
> Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul,
> Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000
> Presidential election:
>
> Population of counties won by: Gore: 127 million; Bush: 143 million
> Square miles of land won by: Gore: 580,000; Bush: 2,427,000
> States won by: Gore: 19 Bush: 29
> Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Gore: 13.2 Bush: 2.1
>
> Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was
> mostly the land owned by the tax-paying citizens of this great country.
> Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in
> government-owned tenements and living off government welfare..."
>
> Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency
> and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some
> 40 percent of the nation's population already having reached the
> "governmental dependency" phase.
I'm planning on starting my own business and I thought about selling my AR15 to get me started a little earlier. Now with all we are seeing, no way I'm selling. I see black racist militants threatening white people for being white. Their leader Shabaz (bwahahahaha)stopped short of saying they were about to use violence on white people. Then I saw one of their other leaders start comparing white people to the murders of MLK and X. Man that pissed me off. They said the white man's abuse of black women will stop. Excuse me and WTH. I don't think there's been a single instance unless he is referring to Brawley and we all know she was a liar and all indicators say the stripper (bwahahahahaha) is a liar. Just yesterday we find out she accused here husband of threatening to take her into the woods and kill her. &0% of balck babies are born out of wedlock. Yeah, black men care about their women and that terrorist calls me an abuser for being white. Bill COsby will tell you about how black people are today. We have that idiot DA that got re-elected, another liberal stirring the pot of racial hatred for political gain that is about to start a firestorm all over nothing more than lies. Finally someone said the other night what I said all along, 43 young white boys and not one is talking. Give me a break.
Then we have Mexicans that sooner or later will turn violent. The socialist president of Bolivia is taking over their gas fields. Iran is trying to choke us over gasoline. It's too late. GW and others tried to get liberals in our country to wake up and convince China, Russia, France and Germany to wake up. These terorist see the cracks, lack of unity and infighting. The UN is a joke. Every friggin group has had a million something march. I think we ought to have a 10 million man march on DC and then walk over to the UN with baseball bats and start beating the foundation of that building and tell them to leave. The UN is the biggest customers for prostitutes in NY. The corruption and greed is sickening. We need to take them out. I predict the Master is about to walk the earth again real soon.
My message for Shabaz and any of his lame brained followers, do not ever make the mistake of even acting like you are about to harm me or my family.
This is about Athenian Republic, and we are on the same path
quote:Originally posted by spanielsells
The US is not a democracy... never has been. It is a constitutional republic. So, Mr. Tyler's comments as they pertain to the United States is irrelevant.
I would say we are pretty darn close! Maybe closer than anyone would want to believe!
You've got THAT right.
[V]
Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000
Presidential election:
he left out the fact that bush stole the election, he did not win it
quote:Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul,
Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000
Presidential election:
he left out the fact that bush stole the election, he did not win it
I hope you are kidding?
Balance of payment problems, collapse of the dollar, Social Security,
Medicare, pension liabilities, ballooning national debt (thank you George the Lesser), wars without end, usv.
If the economic collapse does cause the country to break up the result could be some parts joining other countries (Canada & Mexico
for example) & others forming local groupings. Makes me wonder if the new Confederate Government will honor the old Cotton Bonds I have?
after lookin around some and reading lots of stuff,
and seeing some form of "proof" on the net
sometimes I sit here and get genuinely scared.
I don't know what to make of it all.
I know better than to allow myself the luxury of paranoia, but this america is alien to the one I grew up in.
I don't like the changes.
No matter which hooker I vote for, the whole deal remains in that zone. We can't vote them out. They just get pimped off and replaced. I have no faith in the political process anymore. At least not on a large scale.
The appeals are exhausted, and perhaps all that is left is Locke's Appeal.
But I doubt it will happen.
We have become the kind of people who have outlets like these message boards to complain about it, but in the final analysis, we will all collectively bend over once more and say "Oh..ok... just don't let it hurt too bad..."
If you think I am wrong, I can only say I wish I was.
You can prove me wrong by picking up that gun and starting it.
I don't know what the h&ll to do.
Choosing more hookers to go to washington isn't that answer.
Did Rome end up a nation of cowards also?
I wish I could be like my brother in law...
he is an idiot that buries his head in the sand like an ostrich.
I guess he never figured out that that is a good way to feed yourself to the lions.
But if I was like him, I could pretend that "everything is ok".
I dont think we are close to Americas demise, in fact I think we get closer to Americas salvation everyday.
I myself would be interested to hear this.. please explain
Mine is this. Do not concentrate on the garbage..the political leaders and their sychophants..those defending them.
Clear your mind of their corruption..their selling out of America.
Instead...find people in your area that are able to think for themselves..these people are ALREADY prepared mentally...network with them. Find a support base. Allow what is to happen...HAPPEN.
Your pathetic attempts to stop or slow the juggernaut is a laugh for your masters...they merely take another path..using money and power YOU give them...every time you support one of them. Every time you place your trust in one of those weaesels...you weaken yourself and your family.
Grow a pair. Determine that you will make your own decisions..and protect yourself and your family.
STOP LOOKING TO WASHINGTON FOR ANSWERS...they are the problem.
Try and remember....Bin Laden isn't looking into your bank accounts/computer/medical records/taking your pocketknife away at airports...he HAS burned a bunch of people to death..same old, same old....
Regardless of how many gloom and doom Chicken Littles you hear, the apparatus of government will continue to function as long as communication is open.
Even with the natural disasters we had on the Gulf Coast, and the sluggishness of the Federal Government, small town America continued to function.
If countries like Germany and Japan, after being decimated by war, can survive to prosper and be even stronger, why can America? After all, ya think THEY had some rotten and stupid leaders?
Are you going to be one of the cowards that blows his brains out (like some Nazi's) or cut your belly open (like some Jappers) if we nuke Iran or elect Hillary?
Maybe all the intercity folks and real religious nuts will, but I won't and you shouldn't either.
Heard about it..? Today, the fedgov announced that in the event of epidemic...they would be helpless. The only hope is for communities to work together....
Well, gosh..what a revolutionary idea. Not looking towards Big Brother for EVERY ANSWER....
Of course...the 65% taxation will go right on, regardless...
People....WITHDRAW YOUR SUPPORT FROM THE BEAST.....look to yourself and your neighbor for answers...