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C&R HOLDERS HELP ME UNDERSTAND
notdownorout
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TODAY ON ONE OF THE AUCTION SITES I CAME ACROSS A SELLER WHO IS POSTING A BALLESTER MOLINA (C&R QUALIFIED) FOR SALE. IN THE DESCRIPTION IT STATED THAT SHIPPING COSTS TO AN FFL WOULD BE $12.00 AND SHIPPING COSTS TO A C&R HOLDER WOULD BE $25.00. THE SELLER EXPRESSED "SORRY-I KNOW IT'S NOT FAIR" RIGHT BEHIND HIS ASKING FOR THE INFLATED SHIPPING COST TO A C&R HOLDER. WHAT AM I MISSING HERE? WOULDN'T THE SELLER INCURR THE SAME COST, IF HE SHIPS THE GUN BY LEGAL GUIDELINES, SHIPPING TO AN FFL OR TO A C&R HOLDER? I SENT HIM AN EMAIL THROUGH THE "ASK SELLER A QUESTION" SECTION AND EXPRESSED THAT I AM VERY OFFENDED BY THIS PRACTICE. I HATE TO SEE THIS GET STARTED AND I HOPE THAT OTHERS WILL EXPRESS THEIR DISLIKE FOR THIS DISCREPANCY.[:(][:(][:(][:(][:(]
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T. Jefferson: "[When doing Constitutional interpretation], let us [go] back to the time when [it] was adopted. [Rather than] invent a meaning [let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
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T. Jefferson: "[When doing Constitutional interpretation], let us [go] back to the time when [it] was adopted. [Rather than] invent a meaning [let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
Mark T. Christian
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T. Jefferson: "[When doing Constitutional interpretation], let us [go] back to the time when [it] was adopted. [Rather than] invent a meaning [let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!! THANKS TO ALL WHO RESPONDED.
Let's change the laws and quit bickering about them. One man CAN change the status quo.
neatguns -- It is likely that this has never been made an issue. Leave it to us to make a deal out of it though, eh?
snake-eyes -- You have a point too. Their license is on exactly the same form with the same heading. Unless you're an expert (which consumers on GB are usually not) you wouldn't know the ins and outs until somebody raised a stink about it.
Frankly, I wish you guys would edit out quoting me from your posts, as a matter of clarity. Speculation is not something I'd like to see archived for posterity...
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T. Jefferson: "[When doing Constitutional interpretation], let us [go] back to the time when [it] was adopted. [Rather than] invent a meaning [let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
All three major services, USPS, UPS, and FedEx have different rules of their own for shipping firearms. UPS only accepts FFL to FFL now (so they claim) and must go Premium service, while FedEx can go standard rate from the common man. Unless you post regs for all three major shipping services, plus the federal government's own minimum requirements, the answer is not definitive. I do however hope you will be as diligent re honoring my above request to edit posts in which I am quoted, since I have retracted my statement on the subject.
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T. Jefferson: "[When doing Constitutional interpretation], let us [go] back to the time when [it] was adopted. [Rather than] invent a meaning [let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
Type 01 -
DEALER in firearms other than destructive devices.
(includes: rifles, shotguns, pistols, revolvers, gunsmith activities, and National
Firearms Act (NFA) weapons.)
18 U.S.C 923(a)(3)(B)
Fee:
$ 200.00 for the first three (3) years.
$ 90.00 on renewal.
Application: ATF Form 7 (5310.12)
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Type 02 -
PAWNBROKER in firearms other than destructive devices.
(includes: rifles, shotguns, pistols, revolvers, gunsmith activities, and National Firearms Act (NFA) weapons.)
18 U.S.C 923(a)(3)(B)
Fee:
$ 200.00 for the first three (3) years.
$ 90.00 on renewal.
Application: ATF Form 7 (5310.12)
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Type 03 -
COLLECTOR OF CURIOS AND RELICS.
(pertains exclusively to firearms classified as curios and relics, and it's purpose is to facilitate a personal collection. It is NOT a license to buy and sell curios and relics.
18 U.S.C 923(b)
Fee:
$ 30.00 for three (3) years.
Application: ATF Form 7 CR (5310.16)
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T. Jefferson: "[When doing Constitutional interpretation], let us [go] back to the time when [it] was adopted. [Rather than] invent a meaning [let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
Let's change the laws and quit bickering about them. One man CAN change the status quo.
COLLECTOR OF CURIOS AND RELICS.
(pertains exclusively to firearms classified as curios and relics, and it's purpose is to facilitate a personal collection. It is NOT a license to buy and sell curios and relics.
18 U.S.C 923(b)
It was my understanding of the laws that a Curio and Relics Licence WAS so you could buy Curio and Relics, and have them shipped directly to you without having to go through a dealer.....You are allowed to sell curio & relics but not as a business.
Once again this is my understanding of the laws............Greg
I do believe (to use a polite term) that impersonating a Military Officer is a Federal Crime. Posting data of this magnatude could lead less desirables into thinking they "could" actually get firearms without having to go through an FFL holder. Thus, bypassing the system of checks and balances that are set in place to keep honest people honest, and to keep firearms out of the hands felons and such.
This is a "Public" forum. There are no "Background Checks" to partake in this forum. BE CAUTIOUS of the info you post.
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It's how good you can use it
On the other hand, a person engaged in business, or a person having a store, would not be selling firearms to others based on their C&R license, nor serving as a transfer dealer for others based on a C&R. They would have to have to pay the $200 and sign up for the whole hog to get those privileges.
The C&R is a nice personal benefit though, at only $30 to sign up. I'm thinking of getting one since I have a long way to go to fill up the World War gun portion of my little collection. I probably won't get an FFL any time soon unless I were to decide to get a storefront, because if you want to have an FFL at home you have to get a zoning variance here regardless of what zone you live in, which involves notifying all your neighbors and that you want to sell guns out of your home, and getting official permission from your chief of police on paper. The whole variance effort is not a pleasant prospect for a kitchen table business, and then there's the question of liability insurance. People sue everybody nowadays.
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T. Jefferson: "[When doing Constitutional interpretation], let us [go] back to the time when [it] was adopted. [Rather than] invent a meaning [let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
Upcharge of $100 for shipping to me using my 03 C&R FFL vs, to an 01 FFL ????
Why would this happen to a specific item? I have bought several eligible firearms and have never been up-charged when I add my C&R to be shipped to me. Does anyone have thoughts, I have tried several times to contact GB and they never respond.
WOW! This one's a blast from the past!
@WOFFFF ya might want to check the dates on the threads you respond to.
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WOFFFF, welcome to the forum. No one here is connected to the auction side. I would add that each seller is entitled to set their own rules. If I don't like the conditions of the sale, I look elsewhere.
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