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quote:Originally posted by MG1890
OK, let me tell you..... I live in New York. When MY FFL expired, the handguns were LEGALLY transferred to my personal pistol permit.
This guy could have complied with the New York laws, and sold the guns out of state. He chose not. He knew the handguns had to go.
Rugerniner, I AM a gun collector. Like it or not, we have laws. OLD laws.
quote:Originally posted by wanted man
I'm curious to know what characteristic(s) make the guns in question "illegal"....were they stolen? Did he have full-auto or suppressors, without licenses?.........or did he have too many for the "comfort" of the local JBTs??
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
quote:Originally posted by MG1890
How about we stop feeling sorry for this jackwagon that KNOWINGLY had 85 illegal handguns.
Yes, it's unconstitutional.
I'm not allowed to own full auto stuff in New York, but I don't have 85 M16's....
Shame on you. Will you say this until they come for you?[V]
I will not comply. Call me a "keyboard commando" if you will, but it is the truth.
you can say this all you want, right wrong or indifferent, when and if they come, youll be dead or jail. So it doesnt matter how much of statement you want to make. Your name will be in the news and all but forgotten the next day. I do not like all the laws etc that we have, but Im also not particular on falling on my sword either.
quote:Originally posted by nards444
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
quote:Originally posted by MG1890
How about we stop feeling sorry for this jackwagon that KNOWINGLY had 85 illegal handguns.
Yes, it's unconstitutional.
I'm not allowed to own full auto stuff in New York, but I don't have 85 M16's....
Shame on you. Will you say this until they come for you?[V]
I will not comply. Call me a "keyboard commando" if you will, but it is the truth.
you can say this all you want, right wrong or indifferent, when and if they come, youll be dead or jail. So it doesnt matter how much of statement you want to make. Your name will be in the news and all but forgotten the next day. I do not like all the laws etc that we have, but Im also not particular on falling on my sword either.
In 1776 those not willing to fall on their swords were called Tories, those willing to fall on their swords were called patriots. Just sayin...[8D]
It appears to me Mister Steiner was in the gun business until 2004 and when he went out of business kept his left over stock, and to further aggravate the crime he failed to destroy his business cards.
No doubt there is a public enemy here. I'm not so sure it's Mister Steiner.
Failing to make the bureaucrats happy by doing all their paperwork drills should not be a crime, especially when the paperwork drills are illegal to begin with.
quote:Originally posted by nards444
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
quote:Originally posted by MG1890
How about we stop feeling sorry for this jackwagon that KNOWINGLY had 85 illegal handguns.
Yes, it's unconstitutional.
I'm not allowed to own full auto stuff in New York, but I don't have 85 M16's....
Shame on you. Will you say this until they come for you?[V]
I will not comply. Call me a "keyboard commando" if you will, but it is the truth.
you can say this all you want, right wrong or indifferent, when and if they come, youll be dead or jail. So it doesnt matter how much of statement you want to make. Your name will be in the news and all but forgotten the next day. I do not like all the laws etc that we have, but Im also not particular on falling on my sword either.
So when do you finally say "NO MORE".
At the risk of bringing forth the spirit of Highball.....I'm sure the same type of words were spoken by the Tories about our founding fathers.
Gentlemen;
Like it or not, we ALL make choices everyday to comply or not comply with laws. Think about it. All laws, by definition, restrict our freedom.
I DO NOT agree with the laws as written. I also DO NOT agree that it is OK to break them just because you don't think they should apply.
If so, some would have an unlicensed Ferrari & drive 180 MPH without insurance everywhere they drove, drunk.
quote:Originally posted by MG1890
Gentlemen;
Like it or not, we ALL make choices everyday to comply or not comply with laws. Think about it. All laws, by definition, restrict our freedom.
I DO NOT agree with the laws as written. I also DO NOT agree that it is OK to break them just because you don't think they should apply.
If so, some would have an unlicensed Ferrari & drive 180 MPH without insurance everywhere they drove, drunk.
I'm sure that very thing does happen....but, restrictions on driving are NOT covered in the Constitution, are they? Therefore, those laws are not illegal.
Laws restricting gun ownership (of free men) ARE illegal.
In my opinion,we, as citizens, are duty bound to disobey unconstitutional laws.
Guntech, depends how you look at it. Driving a Ferrari is, in my mind, the very "pursuit of happiness" guaranteed. Why is it not my right?
Eboydell, I am not righteous. Nor am I law enforcement. Tell me this: Who can make the decision that it is OK to break the law? I would like nothing better than to have a minigun. But it is illegal for me in New York State. I chose to obey the law. Can a rapist break the law because it interferes with his "pursuit of happiness"????
Part of the reason that we have more & more gun laws heaped upon our shoulders is that the existing laws are not enforced.
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
quote:Originally posted by nards444
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
quote:Originally posted by MG1890
How about we stop feeling sorry for this jackwagon that KNOWINGLY had 85 illegal handguns.
Yes, it's unconstitutional.
I'm not allowed to own full auto stuff in New York, but I don't have 85 M16's....
Shame on you. Will you say this until they come for you?[V]
I will not comply. Call me a "keyboard commando" if you will, but it is the truth.
you can say this all you want, right wrong or indifferent, when and if they come, youll be dead or jail. So it doesnt matter how much of statement you want to make. Your name will be in the news and all but forgotten the next day. I do not like all the laws etc that we have, but Im also not particular on falling on my sword either.
So when do you finally say "NO MORE".
At the risk of bringing forth the spirit of Highball.....I'm sure the same type of words were spoken by the Tories about our founding fathers.
You can keep back pedaling....I won't.
Again not saying I disagree with you in thought. But really push come to shove what are you going to do? And if you do do something what will it mean with one guy resisting authority? Regardless of the cause dont much like the idea of being martyr, but being a martyr is much better than the idea of staying aboard the titanic and trying to bail out water with a 5 gallon bucket for fruitless result.
The problem with guns and relating it to the revolution is back then you had the majority on board. And they were fighting for a way of life, the British affected the peoples ways of life as whole. The gun issue today only affects a portion of ones life, some put more importance than others, but in the end is still one portion of your life. Also today estimates only say roughly less than half own guns, so the majority do not own guns nor care. And even the people that own guns are not entirely united what they beleive should be legal and should not be.
I think one of the problems us pro gunners have is the people supporting pro guns legislation for us. Relating back to 1775 and havving the stance that framers guarenteed us the right to do anything we wanted with guns might be correct, but is the wrong dog to bring to the fight. And I think easily spat back in our faces as being extremist and knuckle draggers. It may be wrong but reality is that your going to have some restrictions, sorry thats life if we dont like it then we can try to move to Africa or some other backwards country that allows you have RPGs in the garage, heck at least well have our RPG but were still in Africa. I know people hate the terms reasonable gun control, but I think a reasonable approach needs to be taken with people trying to impose restrictions, that is the only way to win.
quote:Originally posted by nards444
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
quote:Originally posted by nards444
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
quote:Originally posted by MG1890
How about we stop feeling sorry for this jackwagon that KNOWINGLY had 85 illegal handguns.
Yes, it's unconstitutional.
I'm not allowed to own full auto stuff in New York, but I don't have 85 M16's....
Shame on you. Will you say this until they come for you?[V]
I will not comply. Call me a "keyboard commando" if you will, but it is the truth.
you can say this all you want, right wrong or indifferent, when and if they come, youll be dead or jail. So it doesnt matter how much of statement you want to make. Your name will be in the news and all but forgotten the next day. I do not like all the laws etc that we have, but Im also not particular on falling on my sword either.
So when do you finally say "NO MORE".
At the risk of bringing forth the spirit of Highball.....I'm sure the same type of words were spoken by the Tories about our founding fathers.
You can keep back pedaling....I won't.
Again not saying I disagree with you in thought. But really push come to shove what are you going to do? And if you do do something what will it mean with one guy resisting authority? Regardless of the cause dont much like the idea of being martyr, but being a martyr is much better than the idea of staying aboard the titanic and trying to bail out water with a 5 gallon bucket for fruitless result. I do not want to be a martyr either, but someone has to make the stand...you either stand with or you stand against, Where is you line?
The problem with guns and relating it to the revolution is back then you had the majority on board. And they were fighting for a way of life, the British affected the peoples ways of life as whole. The gun issue today only affects a portion of ones life, some put more importance than others, but in the end is still one portion of your life. Also today estimates only say roughly less than half own guns, so the majority do not own guns nor care. And even the people that own guns are not entirely united what they beleive should be legal and should not be. A majority? You're kidding, right? Our politicians and the slow erosion of right do not have any effect on you aside from the 2A issues? What about "free speech zones" ans no knock raids? No problems there?
I think one of the problems us pro gunners have is the people supporting pro guns legislation for us. Relating back to 1775 and havving the stance that framers guarenteed us the right to do anything we wanted with guns might be correct, but is the wrong dog to bring to the fight. And I think easily spat back in our faces as being extremist and knuckle draggers. It may be wrong but reality is that your going to have some restrictions, sorry thats life if we dont like it then we can try to move to Africa or some other backwards country that allows you have RPGs in the garage, heck at least well have our RPG but were still in Africa. I know people hate the terms reasonable gun control, but I think a reasonable approach needs to be taken with people trying to impose restrictions, that is the only way to win.
you go as far as you want and what your life can handle and we all have to make the dertmination for ourselves. It worth life, limb, house, job, and overall viability only you can weigh that and be the judge. All I am saying is what you or I do will mean little to the outcome. I dont mind giving it my all, but am not about to die literally or figuratively for a lost cause.
And your second highlighted portion we were speaking about guns and guns only, I wasnt talking about anything else. But yes the majority does not own weapons. So the problem is you have the 2nd amd, which can be seen as very easy to interpret or vague, then you have to juggle majority rules with minority rights. Its not an easy situation.
quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
It appears to me Mister Steiner was in the gun business until 2004 and when he went out of business kept his left over stock, and to further aggravate the crime he failed to destroy his business cards.
No doubt there is a public enemy here. I'm not so sure it's Mister Steiner.
Failing to make the bureaucrats happy by doing all their paperwork drills should not be a crime, especially when the paperwork drills are illegal to begin with.
Yet another James post that I can wholeheartedly agree with.
Some will die in hot pursuit
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
quote:Originally posted by nards444
you go as far as you want and what your life can handle and we all have to make the dertmination for ourselves. It worth life, limb, house, job, and overall viability only you can weigh that and be the judge. All I am saying is what you or I do will mean little to the outcome. I dont mind giving it my all, but am not about to die literally or figuratively for a lost cause.
And your second highlighted portion we were speaking about guns and guns only, I wasnt talking about anything else. But yes the majority does not own weapons. So the problem is you have the 2nd amd, which can be seen as very easy to interpret or vague, then you have to juggle majority rules with minority rights. Its not an easy situation.
The 2nd Amendment is not vague at all. It states plainly and bluntly, EXACTLY what it means.
Freedom apparently means more to some, than others.
If the signers of the Declaration of Independence had your attitude, we would still have a queen.
quote:Originally posted by nards444
you go as far as you want and what your life can handle and we all have to make the dertmination for ourselves. It worth life, limb, house, job, and overall viability only you can weigh that and be the judge. All I am saying is what you or I do will mean little to the outcome. I dont mind giving it my all, but am not about to die literally or figuratively for a lost cause.
And your second highlighted portion we were speaking about guns and guns only, I wasnt talking about anything else. But yes the majority does not own weapons. So the problem is you have the 2nd amd, which can be seen as very easy to interpret or vague, then you have to juggle majority rules with minority rights. Its not an easy situation.
nards, I'll concede that your interpretation of the Constitution including the Bill of Rights and your willingness to defend it are in the majority. In fact a large majority. That's why we are living in the last days of the remnants of liberty.
Maybe you should change your User Name from nards444 to panty hamster000.
quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
quote:Originally posted by nards444
you go as far as you want and what your life can handle and we all have to make the dertmination for ourselves. It worth life, limb, house, job, and overall viability only you can weigh that and be the judge. All I am saying is what you or I do will mean little to the outcome. I dont mind giving it my all, but am not about to die literally or figuratively for a lost cause.
And your second highlighted portion we were speaking about guns and guns only, I wasnt talking about anything else. But yes the majority does not own weapons. So the problem is you have the 2nd amd, which can be seen as very easy to interpret or vague, then you have to juggle majority rules with minority rights. Its not an easy situation.
nards, I'll concede that your interpretation of the Constitution including the Bill of Rights and your willingness to defend it are in the majority. In fact a large majority. That's why we are living in the last days of the remnants of liberty.
Maybe you should change your User Name from nards444 to panty hamster000.
quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
It appears to me Mister Steiner was in the gun business until 2004 and when he went out of business kept his left over stock, and to further aggravate the crime he failed to destroy his business cards.
No doubt there is a public enemy here. I'm not so sure it's Mister Steiner.
Failing to make the bureaucrats happy by doing all their paperwork drills should not be a crime, especially when the paperwork drills are illegal to begin with.
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
quote:Originally posted by nards444
you go as far as you want and what your life can handle and we all have to make the dertmination for ourselves. It worth life, limb, house, job, and overall viability only you can weigh that and be the judge. All I am saying is what you or I do will mean little to the outcome. I dont mind giving it my all, but am not about to die literally or figuratively for a lost cause.
And your second highlighted portion we were speaking about guns and guns only, I wasnt talking about anything else. But yes the majority does not own weapons. So the problem is you have the 2nd amd, which can be seen as very easy to interpret or vague, then you have to juggle majority rules with minority rights. Its not an easy situation.
The 2nd Amendment is not vague at all. It states plainly and bluntly, EXACTLY what it means.
Freedom apparently means more to some, than others.
If the signers of the Declaration of Independence had your attitude, we would still have a queen.
your reading comprehension is terrible or your complete anger blinds you from reason. Because I am in a way agreeing with you. Re read what I said, it says it can be interpreted in a few ways, didnt say which way I did.
If it were so easy we wouldnt have the problems we have interpreting it and running the land like we do.
quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
quote:Originally posted by nards444
you go as far as you want and what your life can handle and we all have to make the dertmination for ourselves. It worth life, limb, house, job, and overall viability only you can weigh that and be the judge. All I am saying is what you or I do will mean little to the outcome. I dont mind giving it my all, but am not about to die literally or figuratively for a lost cause.
And your second highlighted portion we were speaking about guns and guns only, I wasnt talking about anything else. But yes the majority does not own weapons. So the problem is you have the 2nd amd, which can be seen as very easy to interpret or vague, then you have to juggle majority rules with minority rights. Its not an easy situation.
nards, I'll concede that your interpretation of the Constitution including the Bill of Rights and your willingness to defend it are in the majority. In fact a large majority. That's why we are living in the last days of the remnants of liberty.
Maybe you should change your User Name from nards444 to panty hamster000.
Your conceding wrong my friend. Never stated how I felt, again read what I said, nothing in there what I thought. Just stating the issues we have. Again another sheep reading and listening to what they want to see and hear.
quote:Originally posted by nards444
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
quote:Originally posted by nards444
you go as far as you want and what your life can handle and we all have to make the dertmination for ourselves. It worth life, limb, house, job, and overall viability only you can weigh that and be the judge. All I am saying is what you or I do will mean little to the outcome. I dont mind giving it my all, but am not about to die literally or figuratively for a lost cause.
And your second highlighted portion we were speaking about guns and guns only, I wasnt talking about anything else. But yes the majority does not own weapons. So the problem is you have the 2nd amd, which can be seen as very easy to interpret or vague, then you have to juggle majority rules with minority rights. Its not an easy situation.
The 2nd Amendment is not vague at all. It states plainly and bluntly, EXACTLY what it means.
Freedom apparently means more to some, than others.
If the signers of the Declaration of Independence had your attitude, we would still have a queen.
your reading comprehension is terrible or your complete anger blinds you from reason. Because I am in a way agreeing with you. Re read what I said, it says it can be interpreted in a few ways, didnt say which way I did.
If it were so easy we wouldnt have the problems we have interpreting it and running the land like we do.
THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value.
Keep your Powder dry and your Musket well oiled.
NRA Lifetime Benefactor Member.
Comments
This guy could have complied with the New York laws, and sold the guns out of state. He chose not. He knew the handguns had to go.
Rugerniner, I AM a gun collector. Like it or not, we have laws. OLD laws.
How about we stop feeling sorry for this jackwagon that KNOWINGLY had 85 illegal handguns.
Yes, it's unconstitutional.
I'm not allowed to own full auto stuff in New York, but I don't have 85 M16's....
Shame on you. Will you say this until they come for you?[V]
I will not comply. Call me a "keyboard commando" if you will, but it is the truth.
OK, let me tell you..... I live in New York. When MY FFL expired, the handguns were LEGALLY transferred to my personal pistol permit.
This guy could have complied with the New York laws, and sold the guns out of state. He chose not. He knew the handguns had to go.
Rugerniner, I AM a gun collector. Like it or not, we have laws. OLD laws.
Please don't move to Florida
I'm curious to know what characteristic(s) make the guns in question "illegal"....were they stolen? Did he have full-auto or suppressors, without licenses?.........or did he have too many for the "comfort" of the local JBTs??
no license, and or the guy was felon.
But dang 300 guns thats impressive.
quote:Originally posted by MG1890
How about we stop feeling sorry for this jackwagon that KNOWINGLY had 85 illegal handguns.
Yes, it's unconstitutional.
I'm not allowed to own full auto stuff in New York, but I don't have 85 M16's....
Shame on you. Will you say this until they come for you?[V]
I will not comply. Call me a "keyboard commando" if you will, but it is the truth.
you can say this all you want, right wrong or indifferent, when and if they come, youll be dead or jail. So it doesnt matter how much of statement you want to make. Your name will be in the news and all but forgotten the next day. I do not like all the laws etc that we have, but Im also not particular on falling on my sword either.
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
quote:Originally posted by MG1890
How about we stop feeling sorry for this jackwagon that KNOWINGLY had 85 illegal handguns.
Yes, it's unconstitutional.
I'm not allowed to own full auto stuff in New York, but I don't have 85 M16's....
Shame on you. Will you say this until they come for you?[V]
I will not comply. Call me a "keyboard commando" if you will, but it is the truth.
you can say this all you want, right wrong or indifferent, when and if they come, youll be dead or jail. So it doesnt matter how much of statement you want to make. Your name will be in the news and all but forgotten the next day. I do not like all the laws etc that we have, but Im also not particular on falling on my sword either.
In 1776 those not willing to fall on their swords were called Tories, those willing to fall on their swords were called patriots. Just sayin...[8D]
Capt. Jack Sparrow.
No doubt there is a public enemy here. I'm not so sure it's Mister Steiner.
Failing to make the bureaucrats happy by doing all their paperwork drills should not be a crime, especially when the paperwork drills are illegal to begin with.
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
quote:Originally posted by MG1890
How about we stop feeling sorry for this jackwagon that KNOWINGLY had 85 illegal handguns.
Yes, it's unconstitutional.
I'm not allowed to own full auto stuff in New York, but I don't have 85 M16's....
Shame on you. Will you say this until they come for you?[V]
I will not comply. Call me a "keyboard commando" if you will, but it is the truth.
you can say this all you want, right wrong or indifferent, when and if they come, youll be dead or jail. So it doesnt matter how much of statement you want to make. Your name will be in the news and all but forgotten the next day. I do not like all the laws etc that we have, but Im also not particular on falling on my sword either.
So when do you finally say "NO MORE".
At the risk of bringing forth the spirit of Highball.....I'm sure the same type of words were spoken by the Tories about our founding fathers.
You can keep back pedaling....I won't.
Like it or not, we ALL make choices everyday to comply or not comply with laws. Think about it. All laws, by definition, restrict our freedom.
I DO NOT agree with the laws as written. I also DO NOT agree that it is OK to break them just because you don't think they should apply.
If so, some would have an unlicensed Ferrari & drive 180 MPH without insurance everywhere they drove, drunk.
Gentlemen;
Like it or not, we ALL make choices everyday to comply or not comply with laws. Think about it. All laws, by definition, restrict our freedom.
I DO NOT agree with the laws as written. I also DO NOT agree that it is OK to break them just because you don't think they should apply.
If so, some would have an unlicensed Ferrari & drive 180 MPH without insurance everywhere they drove, drunk.
I'm sure that very thing does happen....but, restrictions on driving are NOT covered in the Constitution, are they? Therefore, those laws are not illegal.
Laws restricting gun ownership (of free men) ARE illegal.
In my opinion,we, as citizens, are duty bound to disobey unconstitutional laws.
Eboydell, I am not righteous. Nor am I law enforcement. Tell me this: Who can make the decision that it is OK to break the law? I would like nothing better than to have a minigun. But it is illegal for me in New York State. I chose to obey the law. Can a rapist break the law because it interferes with his "pursuit of happiness"????
Part of the reason that we have more & more gun laws heaped upon our shoulders is that the existing laws are not enforced.
quote:Originally posted by nards444
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
quote:Originally posted by MG1890
How about we stop feeling sorry for this jackwagon that KNOWINGLY had 85 illegal handguns.
Yes, it's unconstitutional.
I'm not allowed to own full auto stuff in New York, but I don't have 85 M16's....
Shame on you. Will you say this until they come for you?[V]
I will not comply. Call me a "keyboard commando" if you will, but it is the truth.
you can say this all you want, right wrong or indifferent, when and if they come, youll be dead or jail. So it doesnt matter how much of statement you want to make. Your name will be in the news and all but forgotten the next day. I do not like all the laws etc that we have, but Im also not particular on falling on my sword either.
So when do you finally say "NO MORE".
At the risk of bringing forth the spirit of Highball.....I'm sure the same type of words were spoken by the Tories about our founding fathers.
You can keep back pedaling....I won't.
Again not saying I disagree with you in thought. But really push come to shove what are you going to do? And if you do do something what will it mean with one guy resisting authority? Regardless of the cause dont much like the idea of being martyr, but being a martyr is much better than the idea of staying aboard the titanic and trying to bail out water with a 5 gallon bucket for fruitless result.
The problem with guns and relating it to the revolution is back then you had the majority on board. And they were fighting for a way of life, the British affected the peoples ways of life as whole. The gun issue today only affects a portion of ones life, some put more importance than others, but in the end is still one portion of your life. Also today estimates only say roughly less than half own guns, so the majority do not own guns nor care. And even the people that own guns are not entirely united what they beleive should be legal and should not be.
I think one of the problems us pro gunners have is the people supporting pro guns legislation for us. Relating back to 1775 and havving the stance that framers guarenteed us the right to do anything we wanted with guns might be correct, but is the wrong dog to bring to the fight. And I think easily spat back in our faces as being extremist and knuckle draggers. It may be wrong but reality is that your going to have some restrictions, sorry thats life if we dont like it then we can try to move to Africa or some other backwards country that allows you have RPGs in the garage, heck at least well have our RPG but were still in Africa. I know people hate the terms reasonable gun control, but I think a reasonable approach needs to be taken with people trying to impose restrictions, that is the only way to win.
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
quote:Originally posted by nards444
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
quote:Originally posted by MG1890
How about we stop feeling sorry for this jackwagon that KNOWINGLY had 85 illegal handguns.
Yes, it's unconstitutional.
I'm not allowed to own full auto stuff in New York, but I don't have 85 M16's....
Shame on you. Will you say this until they come for you?[V]
I will not comply. Call me a "keyboard commando" if you will, but it is the truth.
you can say this all you want, right wrong or indifferent, when and if they come, youll be dead or jail. So it doesnt matter how much of statement you want to make. Your name will be in the news and all but forgotten the next day. I do not like all the laws etc that we have, but Im also not particular on falling on my sword either.
So when do you finally say "NO MORE".
At the risk of bringing forth the spirit of Highball.....I'm sure the same type of words were spoken by the Tories about our founding fathers.
You can keep back pedaling....I won't.
Again not saying I disagree with you in thought. But really push come to shove what are you going to do? And if you do do something what will it mean with one guy resisting authority? Regardless of the cause dont much like the idea of being martyr, but being a martyr is much better than the idea of staying aboard the titanic and trying to bail out water with a 5 gallon bucket for fruitless result. I do not want to be a martyr either, but someone has to make the stand...you either stand with or you stand against, Where is you line?
The problem with guns and relating it to the revolution is back then you had the majority on board. And they were fighting for a way of life, the British affected the peoples ways of life as whole. The gun issue today only affects a portion of ones life, some put more importance than others, but in the end is still one portion of your life. Also today estimates only say roughly less than half own guns, so the majority do not own guns nor care. And even the people that own guns are not entirely united what they beleive should be legal and should not be. A majority? You're kidding, right? Our politicians and the slow erosion of right do not have any effect on you aside from the 2A issues? What about "free speech zones" ans no knock raids? No problems there?
I think one of the problems us pro gunners have is the people supporting pro guns legislation for us. Relating back to 1775 and havving the stance that framers guarenteed us the right to do anything we wanted with guns might be correct, but is the wrong dog to bring to the fight. And I think easily spat back in our faces as being extremist and knuckle draggers. It may be wrong but reality is that your going to have some restrictions, sorry thats life if we dont like it then we can try to move to Africa or some other backwards country that allows you have RPGs in the garage, heck at least well have our RPG but were still in Africa. I know people hate the terms reasonable gun control, but I think a reasonable approach needs to be taken with people trying to impose restrictions, that is the only way to win.
And your second highlighted portion we were speaking about guns and guns only, I wasnt talking about anything else. But yes the majority does not own weapons. So the problem is you have the 2nd amd, which can be seen as very easy to interpret or vague, then you have to juggle majority rules with minority rights. Its not an easy situation.
It appears to me Mister Steiner was in the gun business until 2004 and when he went out of business kept his left over stock, and to further aggravate the crime he failed to destroy his business cards.
No doubt there is a public enemy here. I'm not so sure it's Mister Steiner.
Failing to make the bureaucrats happy by doing all their paperwork drills should not be a crime, especially when the paperwork drills are illegal to begin with.
Yet another James post that I can wholeheartedly agree with.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
you go as far as you want and what your life can handle and we all have to make the dertmination for ourselves. It worth life, limb, house, job, and overall viability only you can weigh that and be the judge. All I am saying is what you or I do will mean little to the outcome. I dont mind giving it my all, but am not about to die literally or figuratively for a lost cause.
And your second highlighted portion we were speaking about guns and guns only, I wasnt talking about anything else. But yes the majority does not own weapons. So the problem is you have the 2nd amd, which can be seen as very easy to interpret or vague, then you have to juggle majority rules with minority rights. Its not an easy situation.
The 2nd Amendment is not vague at all. It states plainly and bluntly, EXACTLY what it means.
Freedom apparently means more to some, than others.
If the signers of the Declaration of Independence had your attitude, we would still have a queen.
you go as far as you want and what your life can handle and we all have to make the dertmination for ourselves. It worth life, limb, house, job, and overall viability only you can weigh that and be the judge. All I am saying is what you or I do will mean little to the outcome. I dont mind giving it my all, but am not about to die literally or figuratively for a lost cause.
And your second highlighted portion we were speaking about guns and guns only, I wasnt talking about anything else. But yes the majority does not own weapons. So the problem is you have the 2nd amd, which can be seen as very easy to interpret or vague, then you have to juggle majority rules with minority rights. Its not an easy situation.
nards, I'll concede that your interpretation of the Constitution including the Bill of Rights and your willingness to defend it are in the majority. In fact a large majority. That's why we are living in the last days of the remnants of liberty.
Maybe you should change your User Name from nards444 to panty hamster000.
quote:Originally posted by nards444
you go as far as you want and what your life can handle and we all have to make the dertmination for ourselves. It worth life, limb, house, job, and overall viability only you can weigh that and be the judge. All I am saying is what you or I do will mean little to the outcome. I dont mind giving it my all, but am not about to die literally or figuratively for a lost cause.
And your second highlighted portion we were speaking about guns and guns only, I wasnt talking about anything else. But yes the majority does not own weapons. So the problem is you have the 2nd amd, which can be seen as very easy to interpret or vague, then you have to juggle majority rules with minority rights. Its not an easy situation.
nards, I'll concede that your interpretation of the Constitution including the Bill of Rights and your willingness to defend it are in the majority. In fact a large majority. That's why we are living in the last days of the remnants of liberty.
Maybe you should change your User Name from nards444 to panty hamster000.
Such sarcasm!!! I am TOTALLY shocked, James.[:D]
It appears to me Mister Steiner was in the gun business until 2004 and when he went out of business kept his left over stock, and to further aggravate the crime he failed to destroy his business cards.
No doubt there is a public enemy here. I'm not so sure it's Mister Steiner.
Failing to make the bureaucrats happy by doing all their paperwork drills should not be a crime, especially when the paperwork drills are illegal to begin with.
Bullseye.
quote:Originally posted by nards444
you go as far as you want and what your life can handle and we all have to make the dertmination for ourselves. It worth life, limb, house, job, and overall viability only you can weigh that and be the judge. All I am saying is what you or I do will mean little to the outcome. I dont mind giving it my all, but am not about to die literally or figuratively for a lost cause.
And your second highlighted portion we were speaking about guns and guns only, I wasnt talking about anything else. But yes the majority does not own weapons. So the problem is you have the 2nd amd, which can be seen as very easy to interpret or vague, then you have to juggle majority rules with minority rights. Its not an easy situation.
The 2nd Amendment is not vague at all. It states plainly and bluntly, EXACTLY what it means.
Freedom apparently means more to some, than others.
If the signers of the Declaration of Independence had your attitude, we would still have a queen.
your reading comprehension is terrible or your complete anger blinds you from reason. Because I am in a way agreeing with you. Re read what I said, it says it can be interpreted in a few ways, didnt say which way I did.
If it were so easy we wouldnt have the problems we have interpreting it and running the land like we do.
quote:Originally posted by nards444
you go as far as you want and what your life can handle and we all have to make the dertmination for ourselves. It worth life, limb, house, job, and overall viability only you can weigh that and be the judge. All I am saying is what you or I do will mean little to the outcome. I dont mind giving it my all, but am not about to die literally or figuratively for a lost cause.
And your second highlighted portion we were speaking about guns and guns only, I wasnt talking about anything else. But yes the majority does not own weapons. So the problem is you have the 2nd amd, which can be seen as very easy to interpret or vague, then you have to juggle majority rules with minority rights. Its not an easy situation.
nards, I'll concede that your interpretation of the Constitution including the Bill of Rights and your willingness to defend it are in the majority. In fact a large majority. That's why we are living in the last days of the remnants of liberty.
Maybe you should change your User Name from nards444 to panty hamster000.
Your conceding wrong my friend. Never stated how I felt, again read what I said, nothing in there what I thought. Just stating the issues we have. Again another sheep reading and listening to what they want to see and hear.
hold back an aggressive force making a landing on our soil? Hmmm....
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
quote:Originally posted by nards444
you go as far as you want and what your life can handle and we all have to make the dertmination for ourselves. It worth life, limb, house, job, and overall viability only you can weigh that and be the judge. All I am saying is what you or I do will mean little to the outcome. I dont mind giving it my all, but am not about to die literally or figuratively for a lost cause.
And your second highlighted portion we were speaking about guns and guns only, I wasnt talking about anything else. But yes the majority does not own weapons. So the problem is you have the 2nd amd, which can be seen as very easy to interpret or vague, then you have to juggle majority rules with minority rights. Its not an easy situation.
The 2nd Amendment is not vague at all. It states plainly and bluntly, EXACTLY what it means.
Freedom apparently means more to some, than others.
If the signers of the Declaration of Independence had your attitude, we would still have a queen.
your reading comprehension is terrible or your complete anger blinds you from reason. Because I am in a way agreeing with you. Re read what I said, it says it can be interpreted in a few ways, didnt say which way I did.
If it were so easy we wouldnt have the problems we have interpreting it and running the land like we do.
Backpedaling again.
Have a nice night.
THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value.
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